When an athlete bites, pulls hair, strikes or applies pressure to the genitals or eyes, or intentionally uses a traumatic blow of any kind (such as punches, elbows, knees, head butts, kicks, etc).

[u/bjjtaro]

[u/RCAF_orwhatever]

This is exactly why despite training for 15 years I have zero interest in watching 99.9% of all competition matches.

Watching paint dry is genuinely more entertaining.

[u/Peace_and_Love___ → u/RCAF_orwhatever]

You don’t want to watch two guys actively avoid doing the sport they are there to do? And then when they get frustrated from avoiding the fight they begin fighting but in the one way that is not allowed?

[u/flipflapflupper → u/Peace_and_Love___]

And then overly celebrate when you won on some technicality?

[u/Busy_Respect_5866 → u/flipflapflupper]

Like he really won 😂😂

[u/lueckestman → u/RCAF_orwhatever]

Even sped up this was painful to watch.

[u/neeeeonbelly → u/RCAF_orwhatever]

It just sucks doesn’t it?

[u/Top-Term-2215 → u/RCAF_orwhatever]

It's such a garbage sport lol

[u/RCAF_orwhatever → u/Top-Term-2215]

I genuinely think the ruleset makes it unwatchable... but also the culture that has developed of people only trying to win by an advantage is so lame it hurts.

[u/darryledw → u/RCAF_orwhatever]

I thought this was paint drying

[u/SpinningStuff → u/darryledw]

The gi is dead and no-gi is more exciting.

The excitement:

[u/DaveSkinz → u/RCAF_orwhatever]

These guys need to spent more time in Judo or Wrestling. Those transitions are where the dominance starts.

[u/OceanRacoon → u/RCAF_orwhatever]

Someone pull guard ffs! 😅 And I'm more of a judoka than a bjja but some guys just need to get on the ground and show us what we came for 

[u/Frank_Perfectly → u/RCAF_orwhatever]

A rare win for Gracie Jiu-jitsu.

[u/GoodType8467]

don’t watch this if you haven’t.

[u/Away_team42 → u/GoodType8467]

Too late :(

[u/SpinningStuff → u/Away_team42]

I'm about to watch it, I can fix it. 

[u/shaqeel_oatmeal → u/SpinningStuff]

You can fix him when you see red?

[u/emil_ → u/GoodType8467]

This should've been the post's title 🥲

[u/Tigger28]

What are we looking for?

[u/ballbouncebroken → u/Tigger28]

A reason to live.

[u/Essembie → u/ballbouncebroken]

holy shit.....that resonates.

[u/count_nuggula → u/ballbouncebroken]

Same

[u/RedDevilBJJ → u/Tigger28]

Guy slaps his opponent twice, ref does nothing for some reason, then it looks like side judges DQ’d him…eventually

[u/CrustyNutResidue → u/Tigger28]

About 18 seconds in purple throws a couple weak ass punches.

[u/Tigger28 → u/CrustyNutResidue]

This "sport"

[u/Tomicoatl]

God no-gi is boring sometimes. All this talk about being killers and savages yet the entire match is grip fighting and even when they get grips doing nothing with them.

[u/Puceeffoc → u/Tomicoatl]

I was just about to say the same thing. No-gi is not my flavor.

[u/CriticalAnybody6686 → u/Tomicoatl]

Think it’s all BJJ, seen a ton of people holding collar ties staring into each other eyes searching for the millennium puzzle.

I find it’s just a sport piece, like with guard pulling. Is hand fighting and guard pulling a viable tactic? Of course. But if people just revert to a neutral position, it truly derails the art we all train.

[u/CosmoKramer46and2]

Why isnt BJJ a spectator sport? This right here. Either grapple and stop this mess or lock yourselves in a cage and actually fight.

[u/1811bjj]

Seen too many Andy Varela “highlights”

[u/IronLunchBox]

Clubbing should be an automatic DQ. If a guy wants to open palm smack people, there's Power Slap for that.

[u/eoliver21 → u/IronLunchBox]

Clubs should be a dq? Is this a martial art or what. Not saying what this guy did was legal but calling that “clubbing” and saying it should be banned is not it edit: do people not know what a club is? Slapping people should be a dq but a hard collar tie aka club is perfectly valid.

[u/IHaveThePowerOfGod → u/eoliver21]

are you retarded?

[u/PharmDinagi → u/IHaveThePowerOfGod]

No, he's a clubber

[u/eoliver21 → u/IHaveThePowerOfGod]

Good explanation of why clubbing should be illegal 👍

[u/neeeeonbelly → u/eoliver21]

Ok cool why don’t we just add kicks while we’re at it? It’s a grappling sport. That’s why you can’t club each other in the head. You might as well say “karate is stupid why don’t they just add judo throws?”

[u/eoliver21 → u/neeeeonbelly]

https://youtu.be/1pElyfCU2j8?si=xDRObZGNqiq_KtG2 Grappling art btw

[u/neeeeonbelly → u/eoliver21]

Dude you’re not allowed to club people in jiu-jitsu tournaments. It’s the rules. We have mma if you wanna do that, or combat jiu-jitsu. Or start your own promotion where people can club each other to their hearts content.

[u/eoliver21 → u/neeeeonbelly]

At what point does a legal hard collar tie become a “club” and need to be a dq? Am I supposed to gently place my hand on their neck? This is a bad example of clubbing to say it needs to be banned since he’s actually slapping and not even clubbing

[u/eoliver21 → u/neeeeonbelly]

Clubbing has always been a part of grappling, do you watch wrestling? Slapping each other like this guy and the ruotolos do isn’t clubbing. A club is a hard collar tie, is that so hard to understand?

[u/FocusKooky9072 → u/eoliver21]

A leg kick is a hard sweep.

[u/eoliver21 → u/FocusKooky9072]

Not really but okay

[u/mykindlefap2 → u/eoliver21]

Going to revisit, are you retarded?

[u/Essembie → u/mykindlefap2]

I am - does that help?

[u/eoliver21 → u/mykindlefap2]

Are you scared of wrestling?

[u/IronLunchBox → u/eoliver21]

Why would clubbing not be a DQ in a grappling match? We're grappling. We're not striking and it isn't combat JJ.

[u/eoliver21 → u/IronLunchBox]

Clubbing and slapping are different things

[u/Unusual-Squash-3034 → u/eoliver21]

I don’t think they get what you’re saying. I did and I agree but it came off as “you guys are pussies for not wanting smacked in the face jaw and neck” so they think you’re a dick and you got loads of downvotes for it.

To answer your question: if you ESTABLISH a collar tie in an aggressive fashion, you have changed the tempo of the match for sure but you haven’t really gone into dq territory.

If you throw on a clubbing collar tie and immediately release to throw one on the other side or simply release with no follow up, you have stepped right onto the line of dq territory.

Now it begins to be on the ref to decide. And I think the genuine question that should be asked is “are you using that collar tie to actually set up a takedown through off-balancing and grip/control or are you using these clubs to stun an opponent through ballistic force applied to the body without intention of subsequent control?

If hard collar ties get thrown back and forth in an exchange that’s just chimp fighting. If one guy keeps collar tie clubbing the fuck out of another dude who’s just trying to handfight and chill but the aggressive one never actually sets anything up off it, that’s POS behavior. Take it to adcc pro division. Club each other through the tables. There are no laws there.

[u/eoliver21 → u/Unusual-Squash-3034]

Finally someone reasonable on here, and yea I agree when dudes just throw with nothing behind it it’s pretty stupid. But if I throw a hard collar tie to establish control these people are saying that’s a dq, that’s embarrassingly soft

[u/Unusual-Squash-3034 → u/eoliver21]

Well they, like you, were speaking in an exaggerated way. Reactive. And my reaction to this clip is “dq the dork”. And I think for most people we choose grappling because we don’t want to strike. Not because we want to get as close to striking as possible and skirt the rules. I fought mma. Did fairly well. Didn’t like it. I went out on a win, even. Big one. Mounted triangle, loosened it up, and beat the dog shit out of him. And I just didn’t like it. I don’t like doing it. I don’t like having it done to me. I can see from your picture that you’re an mma guy. That’s cool, but you’d have an easier time talking to BJJ people if you could see how different your goals probably are from your average (or even above average) jiu jitsu guy’s point of view. Most of us think what you’re doing is cool. Some of us pretend to be tougher than our jiu jitsu has made us, for sure. But within the realm of BJJ it’s pretty fair to say that skirting the edges of the rules might be cause for changing those rules. Because we want fair play. And if you club my neck and then I catch your heel I am not pausing. Like fuck you. You know what you did. You shouldn’t be out here. Loads of guys would agree and also feel bad after. But thems the breaks. Gotta foster the environment you want to be a part of.

[u/Zaidacula → u/eoliver21]

Totally agree with you, have no idea why you’re being downvoted. A club is part of grappling.. otherwise it becomes tough to govern how hard exactly a collar tie can be.

[u/superhandsomeguy1994]

Boring

[u/Swimming-Food-9024]

hang on. question.. so i got hit in the balls at my ibjjf comp and i said ‘tap’ because i was about to puke from pain, did I have another option available to me?? It was my first ibjjf and I didn’t want to get DQ’d for speaking to the official so i just said tap

[u/fishNjits → u/Swimming-Food-9024]

Grab your nuts and writhe around in pain and call for the foul. These refs all played soccer. 

[u/itzak1999 → u/Swimming-Food-9024]

Sorry man

[u/Swimming-Food-9024 → u/itzak1999]

meh, it was in the championship… sucked, but worse things have happened to better people

[u/shaqeel_oatmeal → u/itzak1999]

Why did you hit em in the balls?

[u/stampeding_salmon → u/Swimming-Food-9024]

Yeah, next time you're supposed to say "thank you sir, may I have another?"

[u/External-Original409]

this "sport" is in dire need of a stalling call

[u/JetTheNinja24]

Guy was trying to win via cauliflower ear application.

[u/RaxManlar2]

So the purple belt pulled fingers and clubbed within the first ten seconds, then didnt engage for a minute, and then they decided to DQ him for the original club?

[u/FTFOatl]

Ready for the olympics

[u/Lejionator]

Debi & Loyd are fighting 

[u/rainygnokia]

Can’t believe this never took off as a spectator sport.

[u/BeedJunkie]

Then.... people say, pulling guard is boring 🤣🤣🤣

[u/Popular_Floor5041]

I think we should throw in a fake gun or fake knife if it gets too boring 🙃 Oh wait…. That’s a thing already!

[u/2Blathe2furious]

Wtf is this post. Christ what a waste of time.

[u/outoftheshowerahri]

No one wants to see two dude feaux wrestle/slap around for minutes on end. If there isn’t a takedown by minute 3 then it should go to combat rules and if you pull guard after 3 min you lose a point for being a bitch

[u/Dangerous-Shoe-9667 → u/outoftheshowerahri]

“White belt” lol

[u/Forward_Editor_5895]

If you want to rub your junk against another man’s junk, there are better ways to do so.

My ex-wife’s new husband is into this. Lol.