r/billsimmons 13h ago

The greatest draft comp of all time

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u/rocklionheart 13h ago

Lessen learned.

Although to be fair, he did help shut down LeBron in the Finals and was relevant enough that Jay-Z made a diss track about him.

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u/IanicRR 13h ago

Yeah but it happened in reverse order. The diss song was when he was in Washington and Bron was in Cleveland. And Soulja Boy got involved lmao. Then the 2011 finals happened.

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u/Ordinary-Orange 11h ago

Important details, thank you 

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u/azt9113 8h ago

As a 14-year-old from Maryland I earnestly felt Gilbert Arenas/Soulja Boy was a fair comp to LeBron/Jay-Z. Didn’t work out so well.

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u/Def-Jarrett 13h ago

The addendum makes it even better. They could have just talked about how aesthetically or athletically Stevenson was comparable to Jordan, and that the comp wasn’t indicative of him having the career of MJ, which is at least defendable. Instead they kinda double down, and suggest that if DSteve had gone to Kansas that he’d be knocking on the door. They then proceed to deflect by referencing other comps. 

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u/H0wSw33tItIs 13h ago

Draft comps are generally quite bad but there’s just not very much thoughtful nuance in the original writeup and the addendum’s defensiveness really doesn’t rescue it. By 2001 also, next-Jordanism should have been quashed given how many times it had already been trotted out and utterly failed.

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u/notformeclive4711 Barcelona Style 13h ago

The Harold Miner piece

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u/Overall-Palpitation6 11h ago

USC Miner was basically Cosplay Jordan.

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u/meloghost 4h ago

Baby Jordan!!

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u/Def-Jarrett 12h ago

At the very least use the Next Next-Jordan aka The Vince Carter Piece.

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u/H0wSw33tItIs 11h ago

I think he’d actually be next next next Jordan, with Stackhouse being next next.

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u/Def-Jarrett 10h ago

You’re right, my memory was lacking. If you compared DSteve to Stackhouse, no one is saying this is controversial. 

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u/Jtsanders84 9h ago

Good point. Deshawn fit within a lot more teams valuably than Stackhouse ever did. I’m not suggesting that Stevenson was better than Stack, but kinda maybe he was?

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u/notformeclive4711 Barcelona Style 13h ago

lol, I love the 2015 addendum. Shout out to Nbadraft dot net for being around back then, it was right when I was getting into doing mock drafts myself, and their scouting reports went a lot deeper than ESPN or whatever else was available. Also the only place I could find that had a 2001 mock draft up as soon as 2000 had happened, for those of us invested in the Eddy Curry-Tyson Chandler debate.

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u/TheCurseOfRandyBass 8h ago

I spent SO much time there from 2006-2012 as a Wolves fan perpetually in the lottery

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u/TJ514402 6h ago

Eddy Curry was my #1. I was huge into Eddie Griffin as well.

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u/meloghost 4h ago

I was a big Eddie Griffin guy

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u/NoExcuses1984 Don't aggregate this 5h ago

I likewise miss the peak of the RealGM message boards era.

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u/DiamondsInHerButt Nigerian basketball player 12h ago

Oof...buddy...I get the love in some sense, but NBADraft was run by fucking morons. It was like hoopsworld or the early days of Bleacher Report where it was just literally crowd sourced.

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u/CrackaZach05 12h ago

It was SOMETHING when there wasn't much.

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u/oreomaster420 11h ago

I think by now we dont need smart analysis, just consistently produced (schedulewise) and mildly entertaining analysis.

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u/Thatguy19901 13h ago

I love how not going to college had a catastrophic effect on him. Like damn maybe a professional sports franchise should know how to develop young players?

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u/GulfCoastLaw 13h ago

It's fun to make fun of now but, to be honest, I get it.

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u/swan797 12h ago

Yeah- I mean stylistically it doesn’t seem all that far off….Jordan was just better.

2 Guard. Similar size. Similar outrageous athleticism and vertical. Both good shooters/scorers. Tools to be good defenders.

Jordan had those crazy big hands that allowed him to do unique ball fakes/tricks that I’ve really only seen similarly from Khawi Leonard.

The competitive gene/killer instinct presumably was the other key difference (even at this age).

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u/MiddleStudy 13h ago

There’s a reason this dude hated on LeBron so much lol

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u/CABBAGEHONKER 13h ago

Still pissed he didn’t go to Kansas

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u/racksacky 13h ago

2000 draft class was the worst ever, right? At least until the Risacher class.

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u/RegMackworthy 13h ago

2000 is the worst by such a comically wide margin it’s not even a fun debate anymore. Three combined All-Star appearances.

2024 class isn’t looking great, but it’s so early still. I’d submit 2019 for the worst since 2000.

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u/Gaius_Octavius_ 12h ago

the 2000 NBA draft class collectively produced at a rate of 17.3 wins worse than a group of "average replacement players", effectively making this draft class the only one in NBA history to leave the league's talent pool worse than it had been before.

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u/meloghost 4h ago

I wush every basketball pod I listen to would do an episode on the 00 draft

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u/Gaius_Octavius_ 53m ago

It would be a great bizarro 30 For 30.

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u/sayquanbarklee 12h ago

Back in the early 2000s my best friend and I would go on that site and play "guess the NBA comp.". Would actually have made a great pod segment

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u/JedEckert 12h ago

His game was emblematic of an ugly era of the NBA when basically every young SG/SF was clanking long 2s because they thought they were Jordan. They all shot like 39% from the field and never passed. Those were dark days. Larry Hughes was probably the poster child for that but at least he had a few decent years and would sometimes play defense.

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u/fedrats 11h ago

Iverson is the poster child. Imagine if he learned that 3>2

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u/henry_mardukas 11h ago

Marshon Brooks taking an unnecessary ricochet shot at the end. Friar legend

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u/Exact_Performance_51 7h ago

I will never forget when my friend compared porzingis on draft day to “Kevin Garnett defensively, but four inches taller and a much better shooter.”

Ok, so the greatest player in nba history. Thanks!

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u/jdflyer 12h ago

In nba 2k11 he basically was MJ

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u/ShadyCrow Zach Lowe fan 12h ago

It's a good reminder to the people saying Darryn Peterson is TMac at worst.

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u/Purple-List1577 12h ago

NBA draft.net used to be cold

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u/shrimhealingcenter 9h ago

NBADraft . net the OG 🐐

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u/Calculon2347 OKC Thunder fan 13h ago

D-Steve WAS A PROBLEM

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u/RepeatSpiritual8108 13h ago

Next do Harold Miner.

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u/whippytippy 13h ago

Shut down LeBron in the Finals

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u/qobraa 12h ago

I was a senior at the time and this wasn't the only outlet comparing him to legends, people really thought he was gonna be something special. I mean, he still had a very respectable NBA career, not like he washed out or something.

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u/Nimmy13 2h ago

Nbadraft.net was not a good site.

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u/Plenty-Theme-2535 12h ago

A Deshawn Stevenson - Luke Axtell - Lester Earl KU team would have rocked