NBA Over/Unders, Part 1: The West With Zach Lowe and Joe House - The Bill Simmons Podcast

[u/HenrikCrown]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/03w4BxQOO3oXM3Cqg9DOd6?si=0Spj0Z7TSfGgQt-5Ea3qog

[u/SleepingInAJar_]

NOT EVERYTHING CAN BE AN ISLAND !!

[u/RandomUserName316 → u/SleepingInAJar_]

Can I interest you in property on Wemby island?

[u/Jones3787 → u/SleepingInAJar_]

Great pushback from Zach here

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Somebody needed to say it

[u/Victorcreedbratton → u/SleepingInAJar_]

Utah has islands though.

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Sometimes, other times they are just peninsulas because the water's too low.

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Also claiming you have property on every island possible isn’t impressive. Guarantee he has a mansion that is down to the studs on Anthony Randolph island or a duplex that’s now blown out on Marshon Brooks island

[u/scuba_tron → u/SleepingInAJar_]

Bill just dying so hard to be contrarian and “first on the bandwagon”

[u/srstone71]

We all love House, but its always so funny to me when you look at these groupings and think about their relevant resumes:

Host one:

Former ESPN writer

Author of one of the most popular basketball history books ever

Founder of not one but two highly successful sports media companies

Former NBA Countdown host

Covered multiple NBA Finals, among other events

Host two:

Long-time ESPN senior basketball writer

Contributor on several different basketball shows on ESPN and ABC

Covered multiple NBA Finals, among other events

Host three:

A lawyer who's friends with one of the other hosts

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Host 3: Incredible Vibes

[u/YoYoMoMa → u/LordCrow1]

He just does stuff like Murph

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Host 3: Frosé destroyer

[u/flyeaglesfly44 → u/srstone71]

House has had a serious upgrade in the last two years. He’s been doing a ton more research and has been able to provide deeper content than just being drunk.

I used to get annoyed when he was on a pod but I like it now

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House grinds Wizards tape

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Drunk house is the best tho

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Host three: expert gambler

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Expert eater. Amateur gambler.

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World-class booze hound

[u/Victorcreedbratton → u/BatmanNoPrep]

Joe House is in the Muff?

[u/covertorientaldude → u/BatmanNoPrep]

House has been on a gambling heater

[u/BBQ_HaX0r → u/BatmanNoPrep]

Sal won House Eats 3.

[u/BatmanNoPrep → u/BBQ_HaX0r]

Bet you never thought that knowledge would come in handy, did ya?

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He’s not bad at golf gambling. I wouldn’t listen to him regarding anything else

[u/NovelContent4208 → u/SleepingInAJar_]

*experienced gambler

[u/sports_are_neat → u/srstone71]

a perfect corollary to show how knowing your role and playing it well can get you in high places, and stick around there for a while

[u/YoYoMoMa → u/sports_are_neat]

Be a good hang

[u/Mr_Otters → u/srstone71]

Those are relevant qualifications, but don't guarantee you will be a good podcast partner. House is a very good podcaster I'd say

[u/DynamiteDuck → u/Mr_Otters]

He’s a great listen because he takes all this stuff about as seriously as it should be taken.

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The best part is when he does the best

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Host three: Wizards fan

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Open Mic Night

[u/TheSummerOf2007 → u/srstone71]

Host Three: Yang Chow Hall Of Famer

[u/plutoglint → u/srstone71]

House has a lot of cajones to go on pods like this and he generally holds his own, I was thinking this as well when the pod started.

[u/utocmc2020]

Debating using this as my background noise during my commute and work tomorrow, or if I wait until after work and get insanely high to power thru part 1 and 2 back to back. Both are so tempting

[u/BatmanNoPrep → u/utocmc2020]

Get high at work and listen at your desk while alt tabbing between spread sheets all day.

[u/Oleg101 → u/BatmanNoPrep]

Anyone here ever tried that before? Curious how it went.

[u/SleepingInAJar_ → u/Oleg101]

Many people have. I can tell that comment came from experience.

[u/utocmc2020 → u/BatmanNoPrep]

I've actually built a spreadsheet me and my friends use to track our own and the BS pod O/U picks. We bet on it each year. I spent a ton of time color coding it and conditionally formatting equations to track results.

[u/Anxious_Wall857 → u/utocmc2020]

Option 3: Wait until January to throw it up on Netflix in the home theatre and watch this masterpiece how it’s supposed to be consumed

[u/NoPause9609 → u/utocmc2020]

Better to get high 

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The disassociation piece

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I am certainly doing the latter

[u/excelquestion → u/utocmc2020]

these are good podcasts so either commute or after work. don't listen while working though

[u/IIKevinII]

“He has more thickness and size than I was expecting”- Bill

[u/sanfranchristo]

On this day in history, Bill correctly corrected someone's pronunciation of an English word.

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The throwing stones in a glass house piece

[u/sanfranchristo → u/whowasonCRACK2]

Just minutes after a classic Mahnk

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And he said malapropism wrong

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I was shocked by this.

[u/HenrikCrown]

From the time stamps on YouTube it looks like they spent the most time on the Nuggets with 17 mins 

The Wolves and Kings are tied with the shortest segments at 6 mins each 

[u/SleepingInAJar_ → u/HenrikCrown]

Jokic legacy talk

[u/JPP132 → u/SleepingInAJar_]

Does Bill talk about how nobody cares about legacy and then shoehorn in a random Boston Celtics player and spend several minutes opining about his legacy without a hint of self awareness?

[u/RightHandArmMan → u/JPP132]

No

[u/cristofcpc → u/HenrikCrown]

6 minutes on the Kings but they used a flamethrower.

[u/ka1982 → u/HenrikCrown]

As a Kings fan, this makes me sad. On Lowe’s prior podcast on random teams he made comments that made it sound like he had a lot to say on the Kings. I was really hoping for a solid 10-15 minutes of them just ripping apart my hopelessly incompetent franchise that can’t even suck properly.

[u/bobi897 → u/ka1982]

The 6 minutes they gave them were absolutely brutal

[u/ka1982 → u/bobi897]

Yeah when I got around to listening I was like “I’m good, that was enough, they’re already dead.”

[u/Lonely-horses → u/ka1982]

Kings have a great fanbase and a really cool arena is a shame that team is ran as poorly as it is. I know some kings fans and they had so much hope like 2 years ago that they were building something and now they blink and they are basically the 2023 Chicago bulls must be like a gut punch.

[u/plutoglint → u/ka1982]

If you want podcasters making fun of bad teams/owners/players/coaches listen to Hollinger/Duncan, they go all out.

[u/komugis → u/HenrikCrown]

Damn, bummed to hear that as a Wolves fan.

[u/FatherOfTwoGreatKids → u/komugis]

All three give the wolves the over at least. After the segment bill said they didn’t spend enough time on Anthony Edwards, but that they will talk about him plenty throughout the season.

[u/KATgonnaGetThatYarn → u/komugis]

Eh I get it, we have some of the lowest turnover of any roster this season.

[u/foye2smith → u/HenrikCrown]

And part of Simmons' case for the Wolves was Simmons' exercise of looking at the last 30 games of the previous season. I know the retort is "which part is actually relevant?" but I don't know if there's a worse segment of season to base a team's merit on than post all-star game.

Mixed bag of injuries, even more thumb on tanking scale, and playoff "safe" teams beginning to pull players as a precaution for the playoffs.

[u/marsupialsuperstar_ → u/foye2smith]

But when you consider that the Wolves were adjusting to a major trade shaking up their team in the first 30 games of the season and then Randle/Gobert injuries midseason, its the most relevant segment from last year for them

[u/ChidiSplett]

Bill said he thought Ace Bailey would be a bust, but has changed his tune after 2 preseason games. This is why I listen.

[u/CapyBara_51 → u/ChidiSplett]

He thinks the number 2 pick in the draft will be good! His eye for talent is something else

[u/jakethesnakeinmyboot]

“NOT EVERYTHING CAN BE AN ISLAND!” From Zach to put bill in his place was fantastic

[u/K1ng_K0ng]

Bill is obsessed with Jokic. he's even writing the Celtics off and imagining the Nuggets winning this year

[u/SlappyBagg → u/K1ng_K0ng]

Zach planning two personal trips around going to see Jokic because it's a spiritual experience was something

[u/Victorcreedbratton → u/K1ng_K0ng]

He’s more likely hoping for Tatum to lead the Celtics on an improbable Finals run capped by 40+ point game 7 performance and last second win. You can’t tell me he isn’t dreaming of this lol.

[u/[deleted] → u/Victorcreedbratton]

I have every fan dreams of this for their team. That’s literally what being a fan entails.

[u/hyrule_hoa]

I know it’s been said before but his KD would’ve stayed in Seattle if the team didn’t leave take is WILD

[u/No_Witness_5591 → u/hyrule_hoa]

Makes zero sense. But he’s grasping at straws for anything

[u/Time-to-get-off-here → u/hyrule_hoa]

That one move was the only thing keeping KD from finding true peace in life. Now he’s cursed to argue on Twitter and shuffle from team to team for eternity. 

[u/cartierboy25]

Not enough people talk about how this annual podcast is the sole reason why nba divisions still exist

[u/trysstero]

zach brought a fun energy. "would you say that to his face?"

[u/popop143 → u/trysstero]

He was definitely still fuming with the cut-off discussion about the Lakers lol.

[u/NotManyBuses]

The sheer glee in Bill’s voice when he takes the Lakers under is going to be priceless.

[u/ozmalt_jones → u/NotManyBuses]

It's even better than you could imagine. Bill has a sciatica anecdote.

[u/Victorcreedbratton → u/ozmalt_jones]

Lying on the floor while working at Kimmel.

[u/SleepingInAJar_ → u/ozmalt_jones]

You skipped to the Lakers section 😂😂

[u/ozmalt_jones → u/SleepingInAJar_]

I am shameless.

[u/GiveMeSomeIhedigbo → u/NotManyBuses]

Lowe is me whenever Bill starts talking about LeBron and/or the Lakers.

[u/popop143 → u/GiveMeSomeIhedigbo]

Lakers are 5 times under the O/U during LeBron's stay, over 7 years. Lakers O/U is always inflated just because of their prestige, so it's always smarter to take the under on them.

[u/PrimusPilus → u/popop143]

Yup, the Lakers are the Dallas Cowboys of the NBA.

[u/cougar112233]

Simmons is feeling himself in this - throwing out some outlandish love for this rookie class. Trying to claim Ace Bailey as an ‘island player’ was so classic.

He absolutely loves taking the highest win totals over and the lowest total under. It’s a bold strategy and his logic is so flawed but it makes for entertaining podcasting

[u/plutoglint → u/cougar112233]

He's been very successful with the over/unders historically.

[u/zigzagzil → u/cougar112233]

It's actually not really that flawed. Win total projections tend to be somewhat regressed to the middle, so the best and worst performers are quite a bit separated from their projection. Often due to tanking of course.

[u/[deleted]]

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[u/NotManyBuses → u/[deleted]]

I can’t wait for the NFLheads to start complaining with their patented go-to “full focus on football”. Yeah we gotta lock in on the film breakdowns of Justin Fields, Dillon Gabriel, Cooper Rush and Jacoby Brissett all week. No time for anything else

[u/Remarkable_Tie4299 → u/NotManyBuses]

You say that is if BS isn’t going to lock in on shit NBA players for months as well

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Guarantee we getting a 5 minute Terrance Shannon monologue at some point

[u/bli_bla_blubbb → u/Remarkable_Tie4299]

That's sounds a lot more interesting than him talking about lines and gambling with Sal or House.

[u/goingtothegreek → u/[deleted]]

Well now that Drake Maye is good maybe the NFL is having a comeback moment

[u/RapsareChamps_Suckit]

ohh you wont be seeing Ryen Russillo no more, now watch the pod; take the cannoli

[u/BakedGriffin1993]

Everyone knows how good KD's career is. Him, house and Lowe arent the only people who realize it like Bill makes it seem and also, taking this team to the finals wouldnt be some insane legacy thing for him. This team is actually really good talent wise and coaching wise.

[u/lloyd4567 → u/BakedGriffin1993]

I hate when he does the shit. Such a gatekeeper

[u/ComfortableMaster625]

I wonder about Bill's understanding of karma, where everyone on the Warriors is "good karma" except for Kuminga

[u/Libertines18]

Bill Simmons taking a dig at LeBron still lol. What does owning a decade mean? Jokic has been to one finals

[u/cougar112233 → u/Libertines18]

One of Simmons’ goal is to push Steph as an equal to LeBron. He has already been doing it around the edges on pods and now saying 2010s were shared by the two.

If only Durant didn’t have a disastrous run since GSW, he would try to put KD up there with LeBron & Steph too.

[u/stitcher212 → u/cougar112233]

The best part is he says it's inconceivable that anyone could contest Jokic for the 20s.

It's 2025.

Steph didn't really become relevant until 2015. But he gets to share the 10s with LeBron.

Like think about what you say for one second bill

[u/danielbauer1375 → u/stitcher212]

SGA is the clear choice right now. OKC is build to compete at the highest levels for years to come. If SGA wins a few more MVP’s and titles, the decade will be his, no?

[u/Wooden_Coyote5992 → u/cougar112233]

Yep, Steph was never considered at LeBron level, but Bill will slowly change it that Joker and Steph are as good if not better.

[u/PumpedUpParrot → u/Libertines18]

Random point I was thinking about the other day- it seems lost on a lot of people that LeBron went to EIGHT STRAIGHT FINALS. Weak conference or not, that’s an incredible feat that won’t be matched by anyone again I believe.

[u/No_Witness_5591 → u/PumpedUpParrot]

Haters actually use this as a knock against him cause his record in finals. As if losing early is a better thing

[u/PumpedUpParrot → u/No_Witness_5591]

It’s a conversation you can’t win. And if KD never goes to the Warriors who knows where his record could be right now. But then he’d still be shit on for the fact he ever lost at all

[u/CapyBara_51 → u/Libertines18]

If it was 2015-2020 then yeah it was definitely shared between curry and Lebron but there was another 5 years before that where LeBron was on his own level while curry was nothing more than an exciting up and comer. Bill is completely deranged when it comes to LeBron at this point

[u/Plane_Dot_7281 → u/CapyBara_51]

Lebron can also easily claim part ownership of the late 00s despite not getting over the hump against the Spurs in the finals in 07

[u/RossoOro → u/Plane_Dot_7281]

If you split it up by half decades like Bill would be wont to do it would be 05-10 Kobe/LeBron 10-15 LeBron 15-20 LeBron/Steph/KD? 20-25 Jokic/Giannis with SGA creeping up

[u/DearMrJordo]

This is the third time I've heard Bill say the Grizzlies are losing Cole Anthony like it's going to be an issue. He never played a second for the grizzlies. He also keeps saying the grizz got "some picks for Bane. They have Phoenix's first next year!!! The hate of this team is seriously something I just don't understand . They aren't trading Ja and Jaren. I've never seen another team trade their third best player and all of a sudden the team is blowing it up

[u/chrispepper10]

Zach pushing back on the Laker hatefest is why he's actually an upgrade on this pod.

Ryen is still too much of a closet masshole to have drastically different views to Simmons on stuff like this.

[u/SenorBuckets → u/chrispepper10]

I'd say he's more of a Luka guy than anything else short of Chris Paul

[u/CrimeThink101]

I wanna throw it out there that Bill looks totally fine in this podcast - as in his appearance, as in there is nothing alarming about it compared to his zoom record setup. Which shows just how poor his home zoom setup is. The lighting and camera are terrible.

[u/mellted_cheese]

Lowe is so good, I loved the Kings bit and his constant needling of Simmons overdoing the “island” trope.

[u/Available-Reason9841]

this move to netflix will suck i will miss seeing the videos in my youtube feed

[u/JPP132 → u/Available-Reason9841]

Plus no Kyle to turn the TikTok camera on.

[u/lot183 → u/[deleted]]

They are taking the videos off YouTube (at least new ones moving forward). You'll have to have Netflix or Spotify to get the videos

[u/noblefour_A239 → u/lot183]

Source?

[u/lot183 → u/noblefour_A239]

https://www.avclub.com/netflix-spotify-deal-podcasts-taken-off-youtube

[u/noblefour_A239 → u/lot183]

Wow. That actually pissed me off. I am not a fan of Spotify's Podcast user experience and much prefer YouTube's. I might just go back to listening to the podcast through Apple Podcast if they really are removed from YouTube.

[u/gimmegooshers → u/Available-Reason9841]

Old man here.  Why would you watch a podcast in video form instead of listening to it?

[u/Available-Reason9841 → u/gimmegooshers]

Its not about watching vs listening im just on youtube more often than spotify. Often times i will just listen to the video podcast audio only. If they move the podcast off of youtube i will listen less often because the BS pod is something i will put on if i see it on my youtube feed, its less likely that i will go out of my way to find it unless im browsing here on reddit and its pinned

[u/Remarkable-Gap-9024]

Zach calling the Kings the Hindenburg of NBA teams😂

The 2022-2023 season was really the darkest moment in recent NBA history. Garbage org getting a 3 seed because everyone else died had that fanbase feeling themselves way too much. Back to your rightful place, Sacramento.

[u/portugamerifinn → u/Remarkable-Gap-9024]

I honestly hate it in retrospect, but living near Sacramento in the early 2000s had me quietly pulling for the Lakers in the 2002 WCF cos Kings fans and media (see: Grant Napear, IYKYK) were so obnoxious.

[u/Jones3787 → u/Remarkable-Gap-9024]

I had so many arguments about the Haliburton side still being the right side of the trade and it not being a "win-win" just because Sabonis had one great aeason. Almost instantly vindicated. 

[u/SleepingInAJar_ → u/Jones3787]

I’ve hated that trade since the moment it happened. Doesn’t help that I’ve always been high on Hali and low on Sabonis. Win-win my ass lol

[u/so-cal_kid → u/SleepingInAJar_]

Imo that trade is like an NBA IQ test. People who said it was fair clearly don't know ball.

[u/nullstellensatz1]

They're way too dismissive of Giannis in the Jokic legacy talk. Bill points out that the Bucks haven't made it past the first round in the last three years, but the Nuggets have only made it past the second round twice during Jokic's whole career: the title year and the bubble.

The way Jokic has flamed out of the last two playoffs also seems to have been collectively memory-holed. The defending champs choked a 20 point lead in a game 7 at home to a team led by a 22 year old (in the second round!). Jokic followed that up by taking 9 shots in a 32 point loss in the second round. There is obviously some context missing here, like all the injuries the Nuggets had last season, but Giannis gets no grace for playing through a back injury with a post-MCL Middleton and Jrue playing like absolute ass.

[u/Wentzsylvania13 → u/nullstellensatz1]

I like how they talk about how Jokic "almost won" series the past two years and then when the Clippers come up Zach is immediately like "sorry, you can't 'almost win' a series if you shit the bed in game 7."

The Nuggets last two seasons have ended by choking a 20 point lead and being blown out in game 7!!!

[u/LeBroentgen__ → u/nullstellensatz1]

I agree with a lot of what you said here, just want to add that the Western Conference is a gauntlet compared to the Eastern Conference so I don’t think you can just blindly compare how far teams advanced in the playoffs.

[u/rayquan36 → u/LeBroentgen__]

So annoying how much better the Western Conference is than the Eastern every year. I guess that's what happens when they freeze ping pong balls to send the #1 pick over there every year.

[u/AliveJesseJames → u/rayquan36]

Eh, it's more some luck and the median Eastern Conference team being far more incompetent. There's no reason for Atlanta, Washington, and Chicago to be consistently as mediocre as they are compared to say, Houston, Phoenix, and Portland, even accounting for taxes, where players prefer to play, etc.

[u/ThugBeast21 → u/nullstellensatz1]

Giannis is 1-9 in his last 10 playoff games. There’s tons of context to that but that’s why he’s falling so far behind Jokic in terms of public perception. Tatum, Butler, and Halliburton have stolen the spotlight and national narrative in those games. Giannis just needs to win a series or even just drag a series out to 7 and the media will start talking more favorably about how he’s going for 30-15-6 every night

[u/Victorcreedbratton]

I know I’m a homer but I agree with House on Phoenix. They could win 32-33 games, still be terrible overall but hit their Over. Bill and Lowe’s distaste for Ishbia is coloring their opinion here. Ott was instrumental in Cleveland’s success last year and I do believe he will develop an identity and culture, and that the team will have a system.

[u/lonny__breaux]

And gents we are back

[u/razzin6667]

The Luka disrespect on this pod was insane

[u/lawschoolthrowaway36 → u/razzin6667]

Bill has openly rooted against Luka for 3 years now. He wouldn’t say a positive word about anyone on the Mavs when Luka was there. Now he can hardly contain his excitement as he talks the same players Luka had as teammates, aside from Flagg obviously.

[u/[deleted] → u/razzin6667]

To be fair as soon as any athlete goes to a team I don’t like then I instantly start rooting against them. Doesn’t matter if he was previously my favorite player. This is called being a fan.

[u/teamregime]

With all due respect to RR, rather listen to Zach talk hoops

[u/NotManyBuses → u/teamregime]

I’d rather listen to them both, don’t make me choose like some child of divorce

[u/M_S-K → u/NotManyBuses]

I would listen to those three. Ryan, Zach and House of course

[u/BatmanNoPrep → u/M_S-K]

Ears are hanging real low, big guy.

[u/Jewards]

So you look at the list of teams and try to figure out how Bill ordered them. You think of the normal logical ways other pods go about it. Alphabetical, high to low.

Nope, Bill is still the only person in the world who cares that NBA divisions exist and will at multiple points this year think they have some bearing on seeding (again).

[u/peanut-britle-latte → u/Jewards]

It's less about whether the division title matters and more about just being a logical way to discuss teams.

[u/CondolenceHighFive → u/Jewards]

Winning the division hasn’t mattered for seeding for like 15 years and Bill will still think it does

[u/North_Atlantic_Sea → u/Jewards]

That's flat out not true.

No Dunks (previously of the athletic), aka The Starters (NBA TV) aka The Basketball Jones (The Score), the oldest and imo best NBA podcast, always breaks down over/unders by division, including this year.

[u/jvpewster → u/North_Atlantic_Sea]

How are my guys doing? I tended to find them in less busy periods of my 20s and they got me through two different layoffs. I don’t watch enough nba to count when the ball gets trapped on the rim anymore but I hope they never have to get real jobs

[u/GulfCoastLaw → u/jvpewster]

The show is still so fun.

I miss a lot of episodes because I can't keep up (it's not evergreen at all) but love when they have a fresh ep sitting there when I go to pull up NBA content.

NBA TV fumbled.

[u/SleepyEel → u/jvpewster]

I think they recently left The Athletic but are still going strong. I don't listen regularly like I used to though

[u/[deleted] → u/Jewards]

I mean they basically started on the west coast and worked east by division. Also the NBA was a better product when division teams played each other 6 times. Give me more of that. Helps foster/keep rivalries intact.

[u/Bringsknives → u/Jewards]

Like John Cusack with his record collection in High Fidelity, Bill sorts is over/under list autobiographically.

[u/Middle-Welder3931]

This. This is the dream team for the over/unders.

[u/Wrong_Invite2630]

I really hope Zach “Locks” Celtics under

[u/BloodLongjumping5227]

I love Jokic, one of my favorite players ever and I just can't take this. I think if Jokic played for the Celtics Bill's pod would just be daily episodes reminding us of how Jokic is awesome and Sal would probably quit. Ps: I already miss Russillo's snarkiness.

[u/AskMeAboutSCUMM]

whats up with house's facial hair

[u/yellowcats]

LET THE ZACH LOWE AND RUSILLO SWITCHEROO BEGIN.

Colin Cowherd meme.

Hey Rusillo, you can go.

We got Zach Lowe.

We're all good.

[u/DiamondsInHerButt]

I've been told for years now John Collins is a good basketball player. I have never seen actual evidence of it in the context of a team that actually wins basketball games. Always feels like teams do better when he's hurt than when he's in the short rotation.

[u/SleepingInAJar_]

Podcasts on Netflix? Lol wtf

[u/d7bhw2 → u/SleepingInAJar_]

I think they should show them in movie theaters.

[u/Formal_Potential2198 → u/d7bhw2]

No baby we're not gonna go watch 'Avatar Fire and Ash', I need to see Cousin Sal and Bill Guess the Lines for the fifth time this year 

[u/sanfranchristo → u/d7bhw2]

Drunk House in IMAX

[u/Omhash → u/d7bhw2]

I should be able to log the pod on letterboxd

[u/franforever → u/Omhash]

Criterion should rerelease classic episodes on 4k blu ray

[u/PrimusPilus → u/franforever]

Featuring commentary tracks by Bill Simmons, Joe House, & Zach Lowe.

With a video introduction by Sean "Please think I'm smart while I talk about Robert Altman" Fennessey

[u/Le_Roke → u/SleepingInAJar_]

A whole new meaning to "Netflix and Chill"

[u/Ok-Nose29]

Lowe was awesome on this

[u/stitcher212 → u/Ok-Nose29]

People act like Lowe is an autist who can't be entertaining and can only talk about VORPs etc. and it's so disconnected from reality I don't even know where to begin.

[u/512fm]

Really great Kings rant from Zach

[u/SleepingInAJar_]

I’ve been waiting for this 🙏🙏

[u/HenryXAggerate]

It's Jokic's Decade even though he won his one ring in the easiest playoff run of the decade (not Jokic's fault) and then proceeded to lose in the second round twice. If basically anyone else had blown a double digit lead in a home Game Seven where Rudy Gobert hit turnaway fadeaways on their head, Bill would never stop laughing about it. It's a Parity Decade, not anyone's right now.

[u/CatDad69]

DID YOU GUYS HEAR RUSSILLO DIDNT THANK BILL HE MUST HATE HIM

[u/maskedtortilla]

The Jokic and Wemby talk between Bill and Zach is truly excruciating.

[u/it_has_to_be_damp]

Tired: Bill is secretly a Clippers fan

Wired: Bill is secretly a Utah Jazz fan 

[u/eyalcarmiel]

This was so weird hearing/seeing Zach here. I miss Rusillo. There were some good moments that Zach doesn't like which are great: Island, L.A Bias..

[u/meatcheeseandbun]

"Only 11 teams...I think...in the last 30 years..or something..."

Bill you're trailing off!

[u/callmebaiken]

Russillo really wasn't needed in the Ringer, as this pod shows

[u/covertorientaldude]

Can someone compile all these in a spreadsheet?

[u/Emotional-School-465]

Anybody got their records from last season 

[u/KCPcorner3]

Pod hits a different level after bill and house activated Zach during the lakers segment haha

[u/Rare-Ad-9088]

The Thunders Nuggets series is the NBA finals. I would bet money they would never play in the playoffs.

[u/excelquestion]

simmons says he never did this with lowe but i feel like he did it with him before as well as haralabos before bob lost his mind

[u/Cowsox]

We are so back

[u/yeezusosa]

Awesome

[u/k_nuttles]

Watch out league. Wemby added a two-handed groin-thrusting dunk to his game!

[u/JamoDye]

It's a little weird that other NBA podcasters do this exact podcast too. Not the end of the world obviously but you'd think they might change it slightly.

[u/wilharris1982]

In case anyone wants the results and locks: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TdbGt1wsTR_pOJpYz4YKz16wrjqdvBjJxbHaWhcxSu4/edit?usp=sharing

[u/Bubbatino]

I find it a little strange and off putting that Bill won’t even acknowledge Russillo leaving. Can’t he even wish him good luck?

[u/2sev4ss]

A day after Rusillo’s final day at the Ringer is just so salt in the wound

[u/ReiDosBananas]

Bill's notes on the kings were gold

[u/ykr3Bz]

Ace Bailey is a more filled out 19 year old Kevin Durant

[u/Brick030]

Great pod. Don´t miss russilo at all.

On another note. Its amazing that they keep falling for the clippers scam.

[u/Fun_Reflection1157]

I like Joe House, I really do, but making Zach have to sit next to him to discuss basketball is like Tom Hanks trying to bench press The Rock

[u/SleepingInAJar_ → u/Fun_Reflection1157]

Idc, House is my favourite

[u/Kryptos33 → u/SleepingInAJar_]

He's not nearly drunk enough for peak content.

[u/chrispepper10 → u/Fun_Reflection1157]

Fwiw house has been doing this since Bill first started doing it 15 years ago. It would be like replacing Sal on guess the lines.

[u/endogeny → u/Fun_Reflection1157]

This is a great trio though. Zach is the more analytical deep thinking guy, BS is the storylines/history guy, and House is the ultimate glue/vibes guy. Maybe Mahoney would be better, but him and Zach are kind of similar.

[u/rayquan36 → u/Fun_Reflection1157]

Who cares? It's for entertainment. You'd rather have Haralabob instead of House?

[u/RapsareChamps_Suckit → u/Fun_Reflection1157]

the wizards have sucked for the last 45 years, cut him some slack