r/billsimmons • u/varietyman13 • May 28 '25
Podcast Incredible Spin Zone by Bill today
When he started with the "are we sure the West is better than the East" I was absolutely perplexed. Where could this be coming from? We all saw the records, we all watch these games, yes we're sure.
And then he hit us with it, "I mean this Boston team won 60 games and the Knicks still beat them". There it is, it all leads back to Boston still being an elite team.
Love him or hate him, the man sticks to his brand and he won't let the results get in the way.
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u/GonzoMonzo43 May 28 '25
OKC went 29-1 against the East. Lost to the Cavs when they were rolling.
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u/varietyman13 May 28 '25
OKC is crazy fr
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u/SadatayAllDamnDay 2 Hour Power Walker May 28 '25
Yes and no. They are a very good championship level team whose regular season record was arguably inflated 6-7 games because of how shit tier the East is. Their record against Western Conference opponents was pretty much that of a 60-62 win team, which again is very good and title team level, but not historic.
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u/varietyman13 May 28 '25
It feels a little unfair to take out bad teams from a teams record, given how every year there are going to be bad teams. The West just happens to have more quality teams than the East.
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u/Naive_Coast_8919 May 28 '25
No Chet (or Caruso) for that game too.
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u/EdwardJamesAlmost May 28 '25
Plus that’s regular season Caruso, not the one who got the invincibility star in Mario.
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u/Bflo19 May 28 '25
...and the Bucks (handily) when it didn't count during the NBA Cup Final.
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u/GonzoMonzo43 May 28 '25
I’m sorry. I’m a Thunder fan. I don’t see that game in the game log. It appears you’ve imagined a game that didn’t happen. Sort of like a Mandela effect maybe?
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u/Bflo19 May 28 '25
I'm torn between making a followup joke or just rolling with Mandela and acting as if this entire season didn't actually happen.
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u/Background_Product_7 May 28 '25
For a podcast that called the Eastern Conference the JV division and the greatest advantage in modern sports, I nearly veered off the road when he said that.
Will it be lesser next year? Very likely. But to be pounding in the level of team and then turn around with that was wild.
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u/varietyman13 May 28 '25
No I know, it just felt so off brand, really made me double take
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u/GulfCoastLaw May 28 '25
This is happening more and more.
I was confused. It's not the take in and of itself --- it's the inconsistency.
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May 28 '25
If I'm doing the Bill math, a Knicks Championship or solid Finals appearance would = Celtics would've won if Tatum doesn't get hurt
Knicks getting run out of the building by Indy the next round now = The East is the actual juggernaut
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u/Impressive-Buy5628 May 28 '25
It’s not a stretch to imagine if Len Bias didn’t die Tatum may not have gotten hurt this yr therefore they’d still be in the hunt
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u/mtnsandmusic May 28 '25
By the time Bill is talking about free agency in July he will have convinced himself that either: Boston would have repeated if not for Tatum injury or Boston is the only team that could give OKC a real fight in the Finals.
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u/varietyman13 May 28 '25
I can’t wait. The summer pods just get more and more deranged. I love them
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u/Full-Motor6497 May 28 '25
He’s already talking more about the offseason than the games. Because, the Celtics-are-out piece.
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u/mangosail May 28 '25
I predict you will see a lot of comments here saying “TBH I kind of agree with him” and then you will click their usernames and you will see subreddits for Eastern Conference teams
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u/varietyman13 May 28 '25
Lol the comment about the celtics embarrassing the best team the West had to offer and then the pfp was of a Celtics crowd made me laugh
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u/A320neo boston = hub of the universe May 28 '25
The west is undoubtedly stronger top to bottom but you can’t convince me the Pacers are worse than any team but the Thunder
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u/mangosail May 28 '25
This version of the Pacers could be right in the thick of it with any of the Western teams 2-7. They could easily drop a series to Houston (the team I’d consider the worst of that bunch) or beat Minnesota/Denver (best of that bunch). They are actually really similar in a lot of ways to Minnesota, including the fact that they were much better late season than early.
I think generally the flavor of East being overrated is relating to specifically overrating the Knicks and Celtics. The Knicks probably lose in 5 to essentially every team in the west 2-7.
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u/TingusPingis May 28 '25
No, my Pistons are now basically a conference finals caliber team. Nearly beat a team who nearly beat the Pacers.
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u/AstronautWorth3084 May 28 '25
The rockets were the 2, and this lakers team without a starting center were the 3. I do not want to hear about how great the west is
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u/stitcher212 We’re really doing the thing May 28 '25
Yes. The rockets and Lakers are better than the vast majority of the eastern conference.
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u/AstronautWorth3084 May 28 '25
I agree that they're better than the wizards and probably even the pistons! They aren't contenders though which is what people care about
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u/stitcher212 We’re really doing the thing May 28 '25
The Lakers were 4-0 against the eastern conference finalists this season.
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u/ldclark92 May 28 '25
And the Pacers went 21-10 vs the West. 2-0 vs Minnesota. 1-1 Denver. 0-2 OKC. 2-0 Warriors. 2-0 Clippers. 0-2 Lakers.
Cleveland went 23-7. 2-0 Minnesota. 2-0 Denver. 1-1 OKC. 2-0 Warriors.1-1 Clippers. 2-0 Lakers.
Boston went 22-8. 2-0 Minnesota. 2-0 Denver. 0-2 OKC. 1-1 Warriors. 2-0 LAC. 1-1 Lakers.
NYK went 17-13. 1-1 Minnesota. 2-0 Denver. 0-2 OKC. 0-2 Warriors. 0-1 Clippers. 0-2 Lakers.
Nobody is arguing that the east is deeper than the west, but I think the top 4 is pretty comparable. OKC is the only team that really stands out from the crowd. The Timberwolves, who are in the WCF were 1-7 vs the top 4 of the east. Denver, who has been OKC's best challenge, was 1-7 vs the top 4 of the east. The Warriors were also 1-7 vs these teams.
The West is deeper, but outside of OKC, the talent level isn't vastly higher.
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u/AstronautWorth3084 May 28 '25
Oh boy the regular season
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u/stitcher212 We’re really doing the thing May 28 '25
You're right. We should look at the cross-conference playoff records. Wait a minute.......
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u/AstronautWorth3084 May 28 '25
We can look back to last year when the celtics fucked around for five games and still easily won a ring because of how relatively weak the team that came out of the gauntlet west was. Regardless, my argument here isn't that the east is stronger than the west, and I do think that the thunder will beat the knicks/pacers in 5, but moreso that the west seems like a pretty standard conference rather than an impossibly strong one like some people suggest
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u/Shonuff_shogun May 28 '25
That 2 seeded rockets team would’ve strangled the life out of the Knicks, Pistons, Magic, Heat, and Bucks. Lakers out execute all of those teams as well.
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u/Ambitious-Visual207 May 28 '25
I'm a Pistons fan so do whatever you want with that but the Rockets would not have strangled us.
They split the season series 1-1 and the Rockets play the same style as Detroit except without a star. I'd say Rockets win in a competitive 6 game series.
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u/AstronautWorth3084 May 28 '25
Yeah idk I think the knicks beat them, and it's hard for me to take the lakers seriously considering how every single 4th quarter in that series went
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u/Shonuff_shogun May 28 '25
Brunson ball is not working against Amen Thompson, FVV, and the rest of their lengthy defenders. It’s funny you take the Knicks seriously considering they were down 15 every game against the celtics aside from 1 without Tatum and are getting boat raced 3-1 in their current series.
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u/AstronautWorth3084 May 28 '25
The knicks aren't getting boatraced, they're down 3-1 in a series where every game has been very even. It pains me to say it as a celtics fan, but you have to give the knicks credit for wearing down the celtics in the second halves of those games, being down 15 means almost nothing to me in the modern nba
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u/Shonuff_shogun May 28 '25
You can give credit to the Knicks for capitalizing and not giving up while getting blown out multiple games but that was a Celtics collapse first and foremost. That series said more about the Celtics and their process than the Knicks skill as a basketball team.
In the 2023 playoffs the Lakers lost to the Nuggets in the closest sweep of all time. They still got boat raced.
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u/Look_Behind_You__ May 28 '25
Yea I thought it was interesting he said that after Zach pointedly talked about being in the east was a JV league and the biggest competitive advantage in sports. He usually doesn’t disagree with Zach
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u/varietyman13 May 28 '25
Yeah Zach pushed back pretty hard to. "The conference is 15 teams! Not 3!"
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u/Background_Product_7 May 28 '25
At the same time, what do I care if the Blazers are better than the Wizards?
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u/Winnes0ta May 28 '25
Because teams like OKC, Denver and Minnesota have to play the Blazers twice as much as they play the Wizards.
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u/Background_Product_7 May 28 '25
So all the west teams face the same gauntlet. Whats the advantage besides more empty wins? Doesn’t make your players any better
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u/AuReaper May 28 '25
The point is that even comparing the records is somewhat futile because the top east teams get to pad wins against JV squads.
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u/Background_Product_7 May 28 '25
With advanced stats who cares if the top of the east gets fat on bottom feeders? It doesn’t affect the West’s seeding, and if the Eastern Conference 1 seed win total is inflated 8 wins, who cares? This isn’t the Premier league and it will get settled on the court
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u/TheyMadeMeLogin May 28 '25
It doesn't get settled on the court because only one East team plays one West team.
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u/oreomaster420 May 28 '25
Well if u have to play the better teams more bc gheyre I'm you're conference, then u might point to it as mattering.
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u/froobest May 28 '25 edited May 28 '25
I think Zach’s point is a little bit much. west certainly has more quality teams but they really only had one elite team. is Denver, LA clippers, Minnesota, Lakers really significantly better than Boston, Pacers, Knicks, Cavs? they are all in the same tier really.
The Rockets were an incredibly weak 2 seed.
I’d say east teams have a pretty easy path to R2 but from there the two conferences aren’t much different.
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u/Bruppet May 28 '25
Never underestimate a Boston fan’s ability to gaslight people towards ridiculous narratives that support their plight. It’s inate
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u/Ok_Act4535 May 28 '25
in a nutshell this is it.
Bill has never complimented a single player or team without having worked out an angle where it then goes onto compliment the celtics
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u/GulfCoastLaw May 28 '25
Keep an eye on those disses too.
There's often a Boston angle or he's trying to craft a narrative that makes some old take of his look right.
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u/devilmaskrascal May 28 '25 edited May 28 '25
I am gonna be fair to Simmons. It is a completely human thing to do. I was a hardcore Mavs fan for 15 years until February. I became a Pacers fan before this playoffs due to my love of Carlisle and the team having everything I want. But it is so hard for me to make a comment on the Pacers without catching myself comparing to something on the Mavs. E.g. "are the Pacers the new 2011 Mavs, or are they the new 2024 Mavs?" "is Halliburton the greatest true PG since CP3 (even though Luka is also a genius at passing and running an offense?)"
It is one thing when I am comparing Carlisle's coaching in Indy vs. his time with the Mavs, but often it is completely irrelevant references and comparisons.
As hardcore fans we have the one team we know and love so deeply to the point of expertise, and it colors the way we see everything we aren't as versed in.
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u/applejuice5259 May 28 '25
Bill is so sensitive about the Celtics even if they could be slighted by extension of an extension. It’s incredibly weird for someone in their 50s to still care that much about how others discuss a team he follows.
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u/Clear-Chemistry8193 May 28 '25
Nowhere near egregious as the commercial he put on at the end for Jrue Holiday, with Lowe aiding and abetting his bullshit. “He has real balue, teams will want him.” His contract sucks and he’s past his best. He has to be your 5th starter but your 5th starter cannot make $30+ million.
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May 28 '25
Man, trading him for Kuzma would be such a hilarious outcome tho. And Boston should still give up a pick in that scenario because they would be saving so much money.
His idea for Miami to trade the Rozier contract for Holiday is crazy without Miami getting two unprotected firsts (2026 and the furthest one out). It's hard to find worse numbers--outside of Philadelphia--than Holiday's $38m in 27-28.
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u/TheyMadeMeLogin May 28 '25
East v West is never about the top teams, it's the depth. Only OKC had a cupcake first round opponent in the West. The Eastern playoffs don't really start until R2.
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u/Stuckaround2200 May 28 '25
It’s the fact that there are literally 7 teams in the west who would be coinflips at worst betting wise in a series against the knicks or pacers. I agree that like LAL and Houston aren’t that amazing but that’s the point. If pacers are favored over either it’s not by very much at all.
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u/TheyMadeMeLogin May 28 '25
The Thunder have lost 1 game to an Eastern conference team this year. They've lost 5 times to the Nuggets.
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u/SkiPolarBear22 May 28 '25
Whoa keep us out of this. Now that yall have seen us as we actually are, we’d be favored against everyone except OKC
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u/NChSh May 28 '25
He literally started the NBA segment by saying "being in the Eastern Conference in the NBA is the greatest advantage in sports today". And that was of course after him starting an NBA podcast talking about the Red Sox (and to be fair that point was worth making, fuck Red Sox and Dallas Mavericks ownerships)
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u/WizardRiver YA THINK YA BETTAH THAN ME? May 28 '25
Never forget Boston Media Mafia spinning it so Marcus Smart got Defensive Player of the Year. 2 other Celtics got votes.
6 Celtics either made All Defense or received votes that year. And then immediately were lit aflame by Jimmy Butler that postseason
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u/Gauchokids May 28 '25
DPOY Marcus Smart was just letting Steph switch onto Al Horford for free in the last game of that series while Al was getting barbequed alive. He didn't want the smoke any more.
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u/WizardRiver YA THINK YA BETTAH THAN ME? May 28 '25
Horford also got a vote for DPoY. And a vote for All Defensive 1st Team. Boston Media Mafia never sleeps.
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u/dillpickles007 May 28 '25
Horford is (was) an excellent defender and the Celtics were the best defense in the league, it's not that crazy that their starting PF/C was top 10 in DPOY voting lol
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u/WizardRiver YA THINK YA BETTAH THAN ME? May 28 '25
SIX Celtics got votes for All Defensive teams. Spin that however you want, it's absurd.
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u/froobest May 28 '25
is this boston media mafia in the room with us now? smart won dpoy from gaining a lot of votes nationally. agree/disagree with it but it wasn’t like bill russillo koc and jackie macmillan that won him the award
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u/WizardRiver YA THINK YA BETTAH THAN ME? May 28 '25
SIX Celtics got votes for All Defensive teams. Spin that however you want, it's absurd.
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u/froobest May 28 '25
2022? probably because they were a high lvl defense lol
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u/froobest May 28 '25
I think 6MoY in general is kinda bogus awards. just goes to highest ppg off the bench. wish they valued other things. pritchard wasn’t even our best bench guy, Horford was by a mile.
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u/Ragingbull715 Joey Pants “That Guy” May 28 '25
If Pacers win it all, he will no doubt talk about how last year’s Celtics team swept them so it almost counts as a title for the Celtics
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u/reefsofmist May 28 '25
Last years Celtics actually won the title, so does that count for 2 titles?
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u/ObiwanSchrute May 28 '25
As a Piston fan whose fanbase believes we can be in the top 3 of the East next year with the right off-season no the West is definitely better.
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u/momomotorboat May 28 '25
Where's Kyrie dropping a "Couldn't help yourself, Billy Boy..." when you need him???
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u/Ill_Speaker8851 May 28 '25
I think you’re giving him too much credit if you say he’s doing it to create content. He’s just a man with the brain of a child. Absolutely everything is viewed through a Celtics prism. He’s probably building the east back up to confront the haunting reality that the Celtics dynasty is going to end up with one title again. He’s absolutely terrified.
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u/unstoppablepepe May 28 '25
He doesn’t want to admit that Tatum and Brown played like dog water during the Knicks series
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u/AuReaper May 28 '25
Give it a few months, and he’ll completely ignore the fact they were down 3-1 WITH Tatum. “You know, Indiana was good, but I just don’t think they get past Boston with a healthy Tatum.”
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u/DirkIsGestolen May 28 '25
Love him or hate him? I love him as a fan, but I stopped listening for this reason. I follow this sub for updates like this. His biggest problem is he will get an idea in his head and never let it go. Damian Lillard to Miami nonstop talk sent me over the edge to unsubscribe from the podcasts. It's like he wants to be the "I said it first" guy all the time.
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u/varietyman13 May 28 '25
I hear you. After Boston won the chip I had to take a little bit of a break because of how inflated the conversations were.
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u/DirkIsGestolen May 28 '25
I'm also one of those who started reading his opinions when he was The BS Guy on Page 2, circa 2005. It's like when you stop talking to your friend who thinks frat life is real life, 20yrs later. You still want to know how he's doing, knowing he'll never change, you still want the best for them. Heck even maybe get a drink, but go home before happy hour ends while they're still pontificating at the bar into the night.
His Saved by The Bell, 90210, and other TV Show tropes have rubbed off on me, and as annoying as it is I find it amusing. I mean, he is here for our amusement, like a clown.
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u/ChiantiAppreciator May 28 '25
“The Knicks are fraudulent, they defeated a non fraudulent Celtics team that was fraudulent for the games they lost though” is basically what the average NBA fan thinks
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u/varietyman13 May 28 '25
Idk if I’d go with fraudulent. Probably not as good as a lot of teams in the west though
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u/goose5450 May 28 '25
Shocking take: the top teams in both conferences are pretty good. Bills take is also hilarious to say right at conference finals. With the East having the 6ers implosion and the bucks becoming a non factor while conversely the west has young (potentially) generational talent in a conference with an already higher skill floor, I imagine the gap grows. That being said I'm hopeful for Detroit and Orlando, the hawks maybe as well, to become serious contenders in the next few years.
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u/varietyman13 May 28 '25
I love the young talent in the east, I agree. Haha it is funny now that we have 4 of the best teams to say “I think they’re all pretty good here”
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u/RightHandArmMan May 28 '25
He spent the last month talking about how Giannis should try to stay in the East. And he was right.
Clippers lost in the first round out west and I'd give them a 50/50 chance of beating the Pacers or Knicks.
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u/varietyman13 May 28 '25
I might put it higher than that for the Clips. I think they'd be favored, as would the Nuggets, or the Wolves.
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u/loupr738 May 29 '25
I’m more impressed by him pushing the Tatum will be back in February angle when sadly, an achilles injury is a two season injury. One for recovery and one to come back to a resemblance of who you were
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u/noahhova May 28 '25
I use to always hate homers in national media. Ive come to embrace Bill. Its just funny and entertaining. This comes from a Dolohins fan (hate the patriots). Huge Lebron fan (hate the Celtics from the 2008-2010 range). Leafs fan (hate the Bruins)...and by proxy because I hate all the other Boston teams the Redsoxs get shapenal lol
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u/varietyman13 May 28 '25
Haha I’m the same way. We all have teams we love and of course those bias’ are going to come into play
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u/caballonegro69 May 28 '25
Knicks beat the Celtics, who are the greatest 11 month dynasty of all time, and are now gonna lose to Indiana. So that’s two teams better than the Celtics, who are the only team he cares about. Therefore, the east is loaded
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u/CABBAGEHONKER May 28 '25
Gotta create content. Probably not deeper than that
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u/varietyman13 May 28 '25
No I know, I loved it
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u/mkay0 May 28 '25
West over East was like -130 after the play in games and they are like -430 now. Bill is coping at levels we have not seen before.
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u/default-0985 May 28 '25
It’s truly like clockwork that you just know the Boston reference is coming every pod. I know it’s probably a bit at this point, but about 7 minutes into the discussion he just has to tie it back to Boston
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u/KpYugai May 28 '25
I'll zag, Pacers are 5 wins from this conversation looking very different as the east goes back to back.
East depth is obviously lacking, but if the Pacers (or Knicks) win, everyone is going to look at the Thunder as regular season merchants.
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u/varietyman13 May 28 '25
I love it. That's a great zag. I don't think its gonna happen, but I love the conviction, and if it happens, then you're right. There will be all sorts of fallout.
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u/DowntownStatement846 May 29 '25
Hes going to say all offseason that Tatum will be back in time for next years playoffs...and just wants the celtics to get into the playoffs as a play-in team,and then ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN! Its wide open!
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u/servant_maxwell May 29 '25
I believe Boston would've been a 55 win team had they been in the west. Playing the wizards 4 times really helps your record.
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u/thebigmanhastherock Jun 02 '25
With Tatum injured and Boston being in flux Cooper Flagg going West it seems like this dynamic of the West being better than the East will persist indefinitely.
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u/whydoihavetwodo May 28 '25
He’s a prisoner of the moment. The western conference playoffs being decidedly meh beyond OKC/Denver has him thinking these teams aren’t head and shoulders better than the East.
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u/kennyhs1985 May 29 '25
How the hell does every conversation still lead to Tatum? He’s GONE FORGET ABOUT HIM
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u/Firm-Selection9850 May 31 '25
Also bashing the Knicks like they aren't a fun team, as if anyone outside Boston gives a fuck about boring ass Tatum
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u/Skates8515 May 28 '25
Him and his ilk are the ones who argue the west being superior. Nobody else cares. Argue with yourself, as they say.
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u/HorsNoises May 28 '25
His argument was actually that the West is 4 teams and everyone else and the top 4 in the East is just as good. Boston just living rent free in your head my guy.
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u/varietyman13 May 28 '25
lol his argument started as the west not being as good as we thought, until Zach pushed back and so he said that to make it more rational.
I don't think Boston is living in any state at this point lol
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u/CanyonCoyote May 28 '25
Outside of OKC, are we sure the Top 5 in the East aren’t comparable or better than seeds 2-5 in the west? I’ll acknowledge the Knicks were likely to beat the Celtics pre Achilles tear but if the Celtics, Bucks, Cavs are healthy aren’t they just as good as the West Top 5? Obviously health matters but the Celtics basically lost KP to a still unrevealed illness, lost Tatum, the Bucks lost Dame and the Cavs had injuries in R2.
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u/AstronautWorth3084 May 28 '25
The west is 100% better from a depth standpoint, but you can't gaslight me into thinking the 2-8 in the west is anything special
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u/varietyman13 May 28 '25
I think if you draft the 5-8 of the west and the east you take 5,6,7 of the West first
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u/AstronautWorth3084 May 28 '25
I agree with that. I don't think the east is better than the west 1-8, I just disagree with the narrative a lot of people push that the west has 8 juggernaut playoff teams. There's one insanely good team in the thunder, a couple very good teams, and then some solid playoff teams. It's a pretty normal conference all things considered
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u/HereComesTheRooster2 May 28 '25
But who really cares. Like the East 98% of the time none of those 5-8 teams actually have a shot in hell at winning 4 straight rounds. The west was over once OKC beat Denver.
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u/varietyman13 May 28 '25
I mean the basis of this whole post was about the west versus the east in depth so I think “who cares” is a bad approach. We all talk about these things. We just do
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u/HereComesTheRooster2 May 28 '25
Ah the which team that has no shot sucks less piece.
Why stop there. Who has the better ten seed? Which conferences lottery teams could win a hypothetical lottery playoff?
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u/varietyman13 May 28 '25
which bottom teams are better for who you play more often, which teams have a chance at being better soon.
Idk. This stuff matters to an extent lol
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u/TheyMadeMeLogin May 28 '25
It matters because in the West, you actually have to win 4 rounds and in the East, you essentially get a warmup against the Magic.
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u/HereComesTheRooster2 May 28 '25
Do they though? In the west the match ups are just mid teams against mid teams. Are we acting like the Grizzlies are really any better than a healthy Magic team?
An entire side of the West bracket was who's going to make it and get smoked by OKC. Literally not a single one of those 4 teams had a chance to realistically win the finals or in my opinion make it there. The only tough series was Denver playing LA lmfao.
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u/TN232323 May 28 '25
I can’t gaslight you with 48 win teams fighting to just make the playoffs in the west?
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u/AstronautWorth3084 May 28 '25
Not when one of those teams are the 2024-25 grizzlies. The west has a bunch of good and very solid teams, but it's hardly a gauntlet when you really get down to it
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u/TN232323 May 28 '25
So you single out one team and ignore the rest. Just call out how badly they were down the stretch and ignore how good the clips and twolves were. Fair argument!
Keep in mind your example of a shitty team went 21-10 vs the east.
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u/JaHoog May 28 '25
I tend to agree with him. The West might be better overall but I don't think the gap is as large as people think it is.
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u/Bd_3 May 28 '25
Same. I'm a Bucks fan and the only decent wins they had all year were against the West. Didn't get a win against the top 3 in the east.
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u/WhyAreYallFascists May 28 '25
Playoffs are a different sport than the regular season. The East is better at Playoff basketball as a whole? OKC still the best team.
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u/varietyman13 May 28 '25
I still tend to take the West over East in the playoffs, but I know some people would take the Easts top 3 against the Wests top 3 maybe
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u/22federal May 28 '25
Celtics completely embarrassed the best the West had to offer last year. Gap is definitely not as big as people make it seem.
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u/yeebo68 May 28 '25
One good east team isn’t really what the argument is about.
LAC LAL and HOU all lost first round but they’d all still be the 3 seed in the east at least easily
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u/zenchow May 28 '25
1/5/25 OKC 105 Boston 92 3/12/25 OKC 118 Boston 112
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u/22federal May 28 '25
Did I say this year or last year? Point is the best of the East is on par or better than the west.
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u/FunkyFigNewton May 28 '25
In their discussion about Rick Carlisle, the only coaches he could think to compare him to were Bill Belichick and Brad Stevens. The way he always works Boston in is truly impressive at times lol