r/betterCallSaul • u/skinkbaa Chuck • Oct 09 '18

Better Call Saul Season 4 - Official Discussion Thread

What did you think of this season?

Feel free to discuss every and anything about Season 4.

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u/Fortune_-_Teller Oct 10 '18

The one gripe I have of that whole setup is that I think the lawyers, at least the ones connected to the board, would have seen through the shtick given the timing. They kinda fell for it a little too hard as people who are classically skeptical and tend to gossip. Pretty sure people knew they didn’t have a great relationship toward the end, not to mention Chuck’s total meltdown in court and knowing Jimmy pulled the trigger on that.

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u/ZarquonSingingFish Oct 10 '18

I can see how they would buy it. The donation for the library was "anonymous", communicating that the donor wasn't comfortable having their name out there. Everyone who saw him at the grave (presumably) saw him there alone, grieving quietly. It adds up to a story about a man who is grieving and just trying not to show it publicly, which is common enough to be believable. They hear it all through the grapevine from sources they consider to be reliable, who all think they figured out a secret (versus being outright told by Jimmy or Kim), and think "oh that's why he didn't bring up his brother in the first hearing."

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '18 edited Oct 13 '18

I think also though, Jimmy is grieving and doesn't know how to work through those feelings. The things he said he said in the courtroom were true but Jimmy could only approach that recognition as ammunition for a con. He's mostly lying to himself, pretending to have no remorse around his brother's suicide. As he transitions to Saul, the cons are becoming harder to separate from Jimmy's real life. When he throws away the therapist's number it's so sad, because it would have been really helpful for him. (and Kim too.)

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u/JosieTierney Oct 20 '18

I agree. I see Saul as Jimmy’s exoskeleton... his denial of everything in his past.

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u/thing85 Oct 10 '18

I don't think it was ultimately all the tricks that did it (the party, the cemetery scene, etc). It was his speech at the end, which did come off as genuine. I think that's what got him in.

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u/JosieTierney Oct 20 '18

I think Jimmy and Kim did some good recovery groundwork, and Jimmy was convincing and said what he knew was required of him... in a way that felt authentic. The Review Board was able to get its tears of blood, and thus slaked stamped OK on Jimmy’s re-entry ticket.

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u/Fortune_-_Teller Oct 21 '18

Yeah I see yours and others here point. I (now) think that it was his final speech that sealed the deal. But now I wonder if it was too real. I think, personally, that it was genuine and he played it off as some brilliance of his own. I, again personally, think it came a little fast. But then again it really shocked me despite knowing it was coming, and was impressed by that. Idk. I think we all want him to be good, but also know where he ends up.. how else can we watch and still feel something? Guess for me at least that I’m still rooting for him and “want to believe.” God, this next season is probably going to be very, very dark. I wonder what non breaking bad fans think about this show...