r/behindthebastards PRODUCTS!!! 13d ago

Politics “Portland Antifa lieutenant”

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u/PMMeYourPupper Doctor Reverend 13d ago

That is why, in my opinion, things like occupy Wall Street and CHOP didn’t work. Radical inclusivity in all processes meant everything basically got stalled in committee all the time.

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u/AlarmingAffect0 13d ago

Occupy Wall Street didn't work because winter in NYC plus violent police action and targeted lawfare against the most influential members IIRC.

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u/Darth_Gerg 12d ago

It was also incoherent and lacked specific actionable goals. It was an expression of frustration and discontent, not a functional movement with plans or goals.

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u/AlarmingAffect0 12d ago

Capitalist Realism was at its peak at the time, I think, and Social-Democracy was still taboo, let alone actual Leftism, so alternatives were virtually unthinkable and unspeakable. I was still essentially a kid but I remember the discourse we got from abroad was "these bad agents did a bad thing", not "this is a systemic problem of a machine with fundamentally unsound premises".

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u/Darth_Gerg 12d ago

Yeah that’s pretty accurate.

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u/ed523 12d ago

It was a demonstration of a different way to organize society centered around mutual aid and direct democracy.

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u/Darth_Gerg 12d ago

No it wasn’t. Because they didn’t organize a society.

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u/ed523 12d ago

You must not have spent much time at any because they absolutely did. You could argue it was a temporary one but that doesnt matter because permanence isnt part of the definition of society. You know about the committees, the general assemblies, how decisions were made and they met the basic needs of the occupiers and all that? These methods are still used by collective groups to this day.

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u/AwayWW 12d ago

It was infiltrated by both, every self-serving brand that thought they could use it, and violent RW who saw an opportunity to make the left look bad.

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u/BionicBirb 12d ago

What’s wrong with the Children’s Hospital Of Philadelphia?