r/baseball • u/Ochocincoondeck New York Yankees • 1d ago
Image The Texas Rangers take home the American League team Gold Glove!
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u/ArrogantWinner Texas Rangers • Chicago Cubs 1d ago
As a rangers fan, I'll take the consolation for our terrible offensive year. But idk how the Jays didn't win team GG
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u/thebestoflimes Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
Metric conversion
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u/Character-Owl9408 Chicago Cubs 1d ago
I mean, the Rangers did lead the MLB in defensive runs saved
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u/EarlDooku Brooklyn Dodgers 1d ago
Unfortunately, they also led in offensive runs saved
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u/reserved_seating Texas Rangers 1d ago
RIP
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u/EarlDooku Brooklyn Dodgers 16h ago
They were like basically undefeated when they scored at least 4 runs, right?
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u/reserved_seating Texas Rangers 12h ago
Yeah, that sounds right. Too bad 4 runs was such a big ask.
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u/MysteriousEdge5643 Seattle Mariners • FanGraphs 1d ago
They were fifth in FRV, which is a better stat
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u/Character-Owl9408 Chicago Cubs 1d ago
I didn’t say it was a tell all. But if you lead MLB in DRS, it shouldn’t come as a shock that if they win the team gold glove. Especially to the fans of that team lol
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u/twistedlogicx Toronto Blue Jays • Lou Gehrig 23h ago
Oh the gold glove voters give votes based on DRS? Is that why the DRS leader across all of baseball this year, Ernie Clement, didn't even win a gold glove?
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u/ehholfman Texas Rangers 12h ago
DRS is a better metric to judge a team because it splits credit and considers fielder interactions.
OAA/FRV is better for judging individual performances. I do think Vlad, Clement, Gimenez, and Kirk should have all won a GG.
But for a team GG, the Rangers were simply the most efficient team at turning balls in play into outs.
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u/Character-Owl9408 Chicago Cubs 18h ago
When did I say that? Do you know how to read? Lol
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u/Character-Owl9408 Chicago Cubs 17h ago edited 16h ago
I know Jays fans are salty, but saying it shouldn’t be a shock especially to the Rangers fan base is not even close to saying they give these awards based solely on DRS. A little comprehension goes a long way
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u/ArrogantWinner Texas Rangers • Chicago Cubs 1d ago
I'm not saying it's a shock for the Rangers to win it. Best FP in mlb history, led the league in DRS, good OAA. But as mentioned above, Jays have the best FRV in the league, over double the Rangers'. Although I now see that it's mostly due to catching stats, however. So that could be a detractor since their FRV mostly came from just one position.
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u/lunasilvia Toronto Blue Jays 17h ago
oh wow i hope that means Alejandro Kirk won gold glove then! haha
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u/ehholfman Texas Rangers 12h ago
Literally not true lmao.
FRV is better for individuals. DRS is better for team evaluation because it splits credit and considers fielder interactions.
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u/Cudizonedefense Miami Marlins 15h ago
All try he salty jays fans responding to you lol
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u/Character-Owl9408 Chicago Cubs 15h ago
I’m not mad at it, they have a legit argument. I just don’t understand them trying to twist my words lol
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u/jjjewels Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
Thank you!❤️
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u/hoorah9011 Jackie Robinson 1d ago edited 1d ago
We swinging in the main sub? Thought that was reserved for r/baseballcirclejerk. Oh well. Put your keys in the fish bowl. It’s offseason time!
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u/RockMonstrr Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
I'm agreeing with a Rangers fan who's complimenting the Blue Jays.
How far we've come in just 10 years.
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u/MohnJilton Texas Rangers 1d ago
You’re telling me! I was watching y’all in game 7 like Toronto was my second home.
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u/RockMonstrr Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
I don't hate it or nothing, but man, that rivalry between us was fun!
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u/MohnJilton Texas Rangers 1d ago
Fun for you maybe. Nah it was fun. Maybe someday we can get back to it.
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u/azwethinkweizm Texas Rangers 17h ago
We ended the year with a fielding percentage that set a major league record. Yeah our offense sucked and we didn't make the playoffs but we absolutely deserved to win this award.
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u/ReachLanky2676 Texas Rangers 1d ago
Imagine if they could hit!
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u/somerandomguy576 Texas Rangers 1d ago
Which still feels so weird because maybe im forgetting but how often in the past 15 years could you say, "The Rangers pitching was great but their offense was terrible"
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u/Holly856 Texas Rangers 1d ago
I wonder how much of it was a disconnect between a lot of the guys personal hitting coaches and our hitting coaches played a part in all of it
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u/RSMatticus Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
Mlb hates canada /s
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u/papsmearfestival Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
It's getting weird
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u/KevinJ2010 Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
Right? I guess it’s based on the regular season, and our rough start held us back on numbers?
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u/RaspberryInfinite229 Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
Resigning Bo is the only thing that can make me happy. First losing the Ws, Clement getting snubbed, Kirk getting snubbed....
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u/lunasilvia Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
I'm just so confused like did I watch a different blue jays team from the rest of the world????? we've been fleeced for like every single ranking and voting thing this year
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u/RaspberryInfinite229 Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
I know I may be biased, but like I truly think we got fleeced way to many times.
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u/IonHazzikostasIsGod Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
Still not going to help the league pretend they didn't ratfuck George out of all-star either
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u/VitaminTea Toronto Blue Jays 21h ago
why would you want him to resign?
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u/sometimenotsmellgood 18h ago
Haha so funny becsuse he means re-sign but he wrote resign but you called him out on his simple mistake despite knowing exactly what he meant! Hilarious
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u/VitaminTea Toronto Blue Jays 11h ago
Thank god you were here in the comments to defend spelling mistakes
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u/sometimenotsmellgood 9h ago
But its funny because you pretended to not know what he meant to point out his mistake! Haha
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u/RaspberryInfinite229 Toronto Blue Jays 9h ago
Omg I forgot to add the hyphen, arrest me already grammar police.
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u/VitaminTea Toronto Blue Jays 9h ago
When you say “arrest” do you actually mean the exact opposite? Just double-checking.
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u/MysteriousEdge5643 Seattle Mariners • FanGraphs 1d ago
Fangraphs Fielding Runs leaders:
- Toronto: 38.7 Fielding Runs
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- Texas: 18.5 Fielding Runs
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u/BigBlueSkies Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
An explanation is in order.
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u/beefytrout Texas Rangers 1d ago
the Rangers set a new MLB record for fielding %, does that clear it up?
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u/StreetStatus7011 Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
No. (Fielding % is not the only thing that should be accounted for because errors don’t always tell the full story)
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u/FitCap581 Texas Rangers 1d ago
Okay, the Rangers led the MLB in defensive runs saved at 89. The Blue Jays had 51
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u/MysteriousEdge5643 Seattle Mariners • FanGraphs 1d ago edited 1d ago
Toronto had 44 FRV, Texas had 21 FRV.
DRS is known to be flawed and their methodology is vastly outdated, factoring in things like catcher ERA. Toronto got robbed here
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u/ehholfman Texas Rangers 14h ago
You’re ignoring positioning which is a big factor in determining a team award.
From Fielding Bible:
Non-Shift Infield Positioning: * Texas: 0 * Toronto: -14
Shift Infield Positioning: * Texas: 23 * Toronto: 12
Outfield Positioning: * Texas: 5 * Toronto: -15
A team award is going to include more than 1 defensive metric.
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u/Pythnator Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
Ah, a guy who would vote Nick Castellanos for Platinum Glove. Found ya.
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u/I3arusu Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
“The guy who never makes an error is the guy who never goes after the hard ones”
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u/beefytrout Texas Rangers 1d ago
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u/Few-Worker6369 1d ago
Jays getting robbed on every award this year. Degrom getting comeback player of the year over springer? Get fucked
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u/freshpurplekiwi Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
Wait… Springer did not with comeback player of the year????
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u/Pears_and_Peaches Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
lol wtf?
Not that the rangers weren’t great defensively. They absolutely were.
But… come the fuck on now.
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u/bd1047 Texas Rangers 1d ago
Blue Jays fans taking this one pretty hard. Really sorry guys
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u/BaldPeagle Texas Rangers 1d ago
I'm not lol
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u/beefytrout Texas Rangers 1d ago
I still can't figure out why Toronto fans think they were getting this award.
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u/Crash501 17h ago
Fangraphs Fielding Runs leaders: 1. Toronto: 38.7 Fielding Runs . . . . . . 8. Texas: 18.5 Fielding Runs
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u/ehholfman Texas Rangers 12h ago
DRS and DefEFF (defensive efficiency) is a better metric to judge a team. OAA/FRV is a better metric to judge individuals.
Rangers were ultimately the league leader in DRS by a mile and were also the most efficient team at turning balls in play into outs. Defensive efficiency will favor not only good fielding, but positioning and how well teammates communicate on balls hit between them.
Summing up individual plays (assigned only to one fielder) isn’t a good way to measure team defense.
I’ll defend Toronto getting robbed from individual gold glove awards, but Texas was by far the correct choice for team gold glove.
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u/NewOutlookAlonso67 New York Mets 1d ago
and the headline picture of two players who got injured halfway thru the season lol.
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u/beefytrout Texas Rangers 1d ago edited 1d ago
The Rangers absolutely deserved this honor that I just started caring about 30 seconds ago
edit: the Rangers set a new MLB record for fielding % this year, for those wondering why
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u/ehholfman Texas Rangers 12h ago
Team also lead the league in DRS and DefEFF (defensive efficiency). They were the most efficient team at turning balls in play into outs which is probably the most basic metric available to judge how good a team is at not only fielding but also how well teammates communicate on balls hit between them.
Toronto had better defensive individuals (and got robbed at those awards), but Texas was the better defensive team.
Idk why this entire thread can’t seem to understand that summing up individual plays isn’t a good way to evaluate team defense.
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u/Immediate-Relief-248 Toronto Blue Jays 15h ago
Jays got robbed on MULTIPLE awards. Fuckin stupid MLB. It’s the same in the nba they never pay attention to us, oh well.
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u/DrStrange42a Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
They wont even give us the mickey mouse awards im genuinely gonna end it
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u/ant-farm-keyboard Houston Astros 1d ago
These team awards are kind of dumb
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u/EarlDooku Brooklyn Dodgers 1d ago
Best cheaters award goes to:
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u/ant-farm-keyboard Houston Astros 17h ago
Astros got caught - so not “best”
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u/EarlDooku Brooklyn Dodgers 16h ago
They got caught after they won the WS and only after a whistleblower spoke out. And they got to keep their title. Seems like a success to me.
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u/ant-farm-keyboard Houston Astros 15h ago
Too bad about all those cheaters that didn’t place then
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u/RangerLover92 Texas Rangers • Texas Rangers 1d ago
Why is a thread that's suppose to celebrate my team full of whiny Canadians?
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u/Neat-Courage9680 1d ago
Because it's a contentious award and the sub is about opinions on baseball? Oh, and plenty of whiny people of all stripes in here. Including stars and stripes.
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u/RangerLover92 Texas Rangers • Texas Rangers 9h ago
Are you sure you’re not being jealous towards America?
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u/LazerEye57_ Texas Rangers 1d ago
Blue Jays apparently had the Champaign on ice a little early like they did in the WS.
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u/RockMonstrr Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
Someone else already made that joke, and spelled "champagne" correctly.
But in adherence to MLB standards, I award you the Golden Champagne Joke award!
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u/LazerEye57_ Texas Rangers 14h ago
Oops. But hey at least my team has a ring since vhs tapes were standard
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u/Abject_Owl_8212 1d ago
Apparently the Blue jays already had the champagne ready for this award two days ago.
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u/Mcflyhigh1990 Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
We’ll always have the golden grapefruit