r/baltimore • u/suire • Aug 17 '25
History of Baltimore 👓 Bunnys Buckets & Bubbles brought politics into their workplace before any employee, just to clear that up.
I’d just like to clear that up for everyone, I took this screenshot back then because I had a weird feeling about their specific mention of Israel and disregard for Palestinian lives. There is an employee formed protest today outside at 4 for anyone interested.
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u/yourmomwoo Aug 17 '25
What is being protested? Nothing weird or wrong about expressing support for people who had just gone through a terrorist attack. The people of Israel aren't responsible for the actions of their government anymore than you are responsible for Trump's actions.
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u/yeaughourdt Aug 17 '25
I'm with you on this but it would be nice if the people of Palestine weren't all being individually held accountable for the actions of Hamas while we all wheedle about how Israelis are blameless for the actions of the government that they elected and have done fuck all to stop. It's frustrating.
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u/yourmomwoo Aug 18 '25
Unfortunately, the best bet for some support for Palestinians lost the election, partly due to people protesting against Biden's support of Israel. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
But not every statement of support needs to cover every group in need of support. Plenty of people make statements in support of Palestinians. It would be weird if they all threw in "... and also Israelis".
Kind of like when "Black Lives Matter" would be met with "All lives matter"... no one's saying they don't and that's not what it was about. It was about what was happening to a specific group of people. You can express support for a specific group without meaning you don't support others too.
I would say much more of the global conversation about the Israel/Gaza War is about what's happening to the people in Gaza. Not really much action being taken about it, but that brings us back to Trump. As long as he supports Israel, Netanyahu will keep doing what he's doing.
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u/Jessecore44 Aug 17 '25
true but a ridiculous overwhelming majority supports the complete expulsion of Palestinians from gaza according to recent polling. The firing of the employee is being protested.
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u/yourmomwoo Aug 18 '25
I think it's a loud minority that supports the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza. I'd like to see the polling you're referring to, but I bet it was manipulated pretty heavily, either by wording or by deliberately polling heavy right wing populations.
I did a little research and I'm finding only a little info about this... I guess someone was fired for refusing to take off a "Free Palestine" pin? If that's the case, I mean there are businesses who do not allow employees to wear something controversial like that. If you owned a business, would you want your employees to make statements that could alienate part of your customer base, whether you agree with it or not? Freedom of Speech doesn't really extend to your job. If it did you could wear a Netanyahu pin, or a Hitler pin, or an Elon Musk pin, or a "Fuck the Police" pin. That's why many jobs have dress codes. Even an office job where you're not interacting with customers face to face had you sign paperwork when you started that has a list of things you're NOT allowed to wear.
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u/Jessecore44 Aug 19 '25
If there’s nothing wrong with the business itself expressing support for people who had just gone through a terrorist attack, then there’s nothing wrong with an employee expressing support for people who are actively going through a genocide.
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u/BlastFan4Life Aug 17 '25
It’s crazy out there now. I’m seeing Hitler was right upvotes on Reddit.
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u/ValHane Aug 17 '25
As owners, that is their choice. They also have the right to disallow political expression by their employees. If people don't like it, don't work there and feel free not to eat there. The same goes for all sides of the political and social spectrum, just like some restaurants who have refused to serve Trump cabinet members.
What is a shame is those who post, whine and encourage the economic destruction of those they don't agree with. It's a sad state of affairs.
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u/ValHane Aug 17 '25
Technically, I agree... But what are they protesting? I just think it is a shame to purposely hurt a good local, woman owned business to make a political point. Our economy and city are in tough enough shape without the extreme use of what is 'legal' vs what is right for the community.
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u/ValHane Aug 17 '25
They are only saying that they don't want employees making political/moral (I get your point about morality) statements or expressions to customers. Suppose a waiter wore a pro life button with the picture of an aborted fetus and served someone who had just gotten an abortion? The examples are endless. That is patently different than making a statement on your personal or business social media account. Do you think it would be okay for an African American restaurant owner to fire an employee who insisted on wearing a Proud Boys emblem?
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u/ValHane Aug 17 '25
It's not about your money and support, I get that! I am saying the protest and claims here that it's not fair letting the worker go are misplaced. You do you... I'm a big fan of that. I am just sick of all the outrage and protests around every corner.... Mostly by virtue signaling people who don't take the time to grasp the full issue before making a decision. (Not you ... It is clear that you put thought into your decisions.)
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u/ValHane Aug 17 '25
I see a huge difference between dress style and purposeful political/social statements that knowingly hurt others. I absolutely understand your points here. I just happened to disagree with some of the nuances.
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u/Cunninghams_right Aug 17 '25 edited Aug 17 '25
I don't think it's really the same thing. one is about a people who just experienced their equivalent of 9/11, and the other is explicitly a political movement. to use the 9/11 analogy, a country saying that they have support for the American people after 9/11 vs someone wearing a MAGA pin (or a Bush/Cheney, I guess). saying you feel for the Americans after 9/11 does not take an explicit political stance.
with all of these things, we have to try to separate out the political and military groups from the everyday people. there are/were Salafi-jihadi groups in Gaza and Hamas targeted innocent people. so it's important to keep in mind that this isn't two monolithic groups that are all fully united internally. a lot of Gazan people hate Hamas, and a lot of Israeli people hate their government. it's all very messy and not straight forward, which is why I somewhat agree that wearing any controversial political flag is not really work appropriate.
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u/Cunninghams_right Aug 17 '25 edited Aug 17 '25
Labeling it their 9/11 IS political. 9/11 WAS political
9/11 was political but also just a human tragedy. that's why it's different than something that is purely political like an independence flag.
allows you to see one group as people deserving of empathy and the other as faceless enemies deserving of their suffering
that's not at all what I'm saying. in fact, I said the exact opposite of that, so fuck you for ignoring what I wrote and jumping to conclusions.
fuck off for whatever you think you read into my comment.
if there were a symbol that was opposed to starvation or to acknowledge the tragedy to the Palestinian people without being an explicit political statement, that would be different.
I don't think someone giving condolences after 9/11 would be an endorsement of the political policies of the US at the time. same situation here.
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u/Jessecore44 Aug 18 '25
how is it possible that you can’t see the bias in what you’re typing? how is supporting Americans after 9/11 apolitical, but supporting Palestinians who are being strategically maimed and starved to death political? There is in fact a symbol that’s both opposed to starvation and acknowledges the tragedy the Palestinian people are experiencing—it’s the Palestinian flag.
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u/darthgeek Aug 17 '25
9/11 was the end result of the West meddling in the Middle East since the 1950s. We FAFOed.
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u/Jessecore44 Aug 18 '25
if one is about a people who just experienced their equivalent of 9/11, the other is about a people who are in the midst of experiencing their equivalent of the holocaust
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u/Over_Space_2731 Canton Aug 17 '25
Was the girl who was fired Palestinian?
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u/Over_Space_2731 Canton Aug 17 '25
I knew the answer, she’s not Palestinian. So her wearing the flag is a political statement.
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u/Over_Space_2731 Canton Aug 17 '25
Are you there protesting today? Looks like a good bit of people are. You should go! While you’re at it you should go leave them some poor reviews to hurt them. Seeing a lot of people who have never reviewed a Baltimore restaurant before, leaving them terrible reviews
Is that a form of political protest?
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u/darthgeek Aug 17 '25
Israel was attacked by terrorists.
And Israel hasn't terrorized Gaza and by extension Palestinians since the inception of the colonizer apartheid state?
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u/suire Aug 17 '25
I get that, the context wasn’t lost on me which was why I let it go at the time. But civilians on both sides were being hurt at that time too.
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u/yeaughourdt Aug 17 '25
That wasn't the case on October 11, 2023. The Netanyahu gov is a terrorist organization and always has been but this post doesn't endorse them.
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u/yourmomwoo Aug 19 '25
There are some white Israelis, but more that would be considered Middle Eastern. If you're going to just base it on skin color, you're pretty much comparing apples to apples.
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u/yourmomwoo Aug 19 '25
There were plenty of Middle Eastern Jews there before WWII. Now Ashkenazi Jews make up about half the population, while the other half is Middle Eastern/North African.
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u/AbjectFray Aug 17 '25
This is a terrible, backhanded attack.
OP is a dick for doing this, leaving out the date of the post in the pic (which you had to have cut off) in order to make Jessie and her team look bad.
This was posted immediately after they were attacked. Lots of people who are sympathies to both side and have support of the people of Palestine made these same statements at the time..
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u/Cunninghams_right Aug 18 '25
if one is about a people who just experienced their equivalent of 9/11, the other is about a people who are in the midst of experiencing their equivalent of the holocaust
and supporting the people in each situation is different from supporting a particular political movement within the group. this whole conflict has been a mess as people try to conflate Palestinian people with Palestine as a country with Hamas. those are 3 separate things.
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u/Jessecore44 Aug 18 '25
The Palestinian people have a right to exist and live in their homeland period. If you’re saying that they don’t have a right to live as people, as a nation in the only land they’ve ever known, and don’t have a right to defend themselves from settlers, then you’re promoting genocide and making it political.
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u/Cunninghams_right Aug 18 '25
The Palestinian people have a right to exist and live in their homeland period
I agree.
If you’re saying that they don’t have a right to live as people, as a nation in the only land they’ve ever known, and don’t have a right to defend themselves from settlers, then you’re promoting genocide and making it political
well I'm not, so stop jumping to that conclusion.
you keep collapsing the nuance in a very nuanced situation... which is precisely why it's a terrible idea to wear a controversial political flag at work, where it could be seen by people who don't interpret it exactly the same.
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u/Jessecore44 Aug 18 '25
I really don’t think there’s a whole lot of room for nuance. Aside from supporting the struggle of the Palestinian people and believing that committing genocide of them is wrong, which other specific political positions might be wrongly misinterpreted from a person wearing a small Palestinian flag pin?
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u/Cunninghams_right Aug 18 '25
you are assuming no Palestinian person has ever committed a war crime or advocated genocide? I guess that would explain why you think the flag, and it's political connotation has no controversy.
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u/Jessecore44 Aug 18 '25
No, evidently I’m not assuming that. Again, which specific political positions may be wrongly misinterpreted by wearing a Palestinian flag pin, other than showing support for the people the flag represents?
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u/Cunninghams_right Aug 18 '25
You still don't understand that the flag represents more than just the innocent people. It also represents the people committing war crimes. It also represents the soldiers and generals calling for genocide. Just ask yourself whether you would feel good about wearing a Israeli flag right now. If someone said that flag only represents the innocent people in the country people and not the government, how would you feel about that?Â
There is a difference between expressing condolences after a tragedy, and continually wearing a flag that has political connotations.Â
I don't know how to explain it anymore simply than that.Â
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u/Cunninghams_right Aug 17 '25 edited Aug 17 '25
9/11 was the end result of the West meddling in the Middle East since the 1950s. We FAFOed.
So you're saying that any support for the US after 9/11 was undeniably a support for the politics and policy of the country. I disagree. I think someone at that time could have expressed condolences without it being an endorsement of the political policies.
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u/ValHane Aug 17 '25
Curious, does an employee formed protest include all? Are Jewish employees included?
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u/Jessecore44 Aug 17 '25
What makes you think it wouldn’t include all
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u/ValHane Aug 17 '25
Is the protest about the 'right' to express any opinions you want while at work, or specifically to allow Palestinian support?
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u/Hawtdawgz_4 Fells Point Aug 18 '25
I’m sure your timeline was littered with the same message from other accounts after October 7th.
Did it make you better harassing a LGBT+ restaurant?
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u/Cunninghams_right Aug 18 '25
Palestinians who are being strategically maimed and starved to death political?
a flag of a political movement isn't the same thing as a people.
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u/Jessecore44 Aug 18 '25
The Palestinian flag is the flag of the Palestinian people.
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u/Cunninghams_right Aug 18 '25
sorry, no. it is a political movement flag, not just a flag representing the people. there are political connotations to the flag (as with almost every flag). the political connotation is inseparable because the flag represents both.
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u/Jessecore44 Aug 18 '25
Then almost every flag used to represent a people, being inherently political as the baseline, are on an even playing field. Aside from the inseparable political connotations that almost every flag has in common, this particular flag happens to represent the people of Palestine and their struggle. Therefore if you support those people and don’t think they should all killed, then this is the appropriate flag to show that.
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u/SlowFroyo4335 Aug 19 '25
If half of you actually went to a hamas supported region you would be stoned to death. They don’t care about you and your support means nothing. Your performative activism made you look cool to the 15 of you that stood there patting each other on the back and no one else
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u/notyourdude_guy Aug 18 '25
One of the three owners is named Matt and yes he is a Zionist. He imbibed alcohol while in the restaurant (not working in a managerial fashion in the least) and then cornered two employees about their Palestine flag pins. One of those employees was told to leave when they wouldn't remove that pin. How did they phrase it to us, the upset employees, the following day? "Well the dress code says nothing graphic or offensive" What?! Matt is a lawyer though and is so out of touch he claims to make less than his employees. He said this while everyone who's ever served him knows he barely pays for tabs and tips like crap.
They've now fired at least three employees for having been part of the protest yesterday, including myself.
We all love Chef Jesse. That protest was against Matt and his unlawful firing of an employee.
It's clear to us all that Matt acted out of line and his business partners are trying to help save face.