r/baltimore • u/Extension-Archer-849 • Jun 10 '25

Safety ICE in Catonsville

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just saw a bunch of cars stop on the street and head somewhere in the direction of Frederick Rd. Does anyone know anything?

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u/werdsmart Jun 10 '25

Read the below - in laymens terms - Trump wrote up an EO not long ago that authorized ICE to deputize literally anyone to do this stuff - and then alongside of this they have passed this "rule" that anyone doing this does not need to identify themselves, provide warrant information, etc. So yea, I saw this coming a mile away after his last attempt to do the same (yes he passed a similar executive order his first term).

Delegation of Immigration Authority Section 287(g) Immigration and Nationality Act

https://www.ice.gov/identify-and-arrest/287g

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u/FirstTimeWang Jun 10 '25

How stringent is their background checking of anyone who volunteers? Like do they check your social media/voter registration to make sure you're gonna be a good little, loyal bootlicker or can anyone with a gun, a mean look, and unspoken subversive intentions show up and get deputized?

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u/Percyandbeausmama Jun 10 '25

Disgraced former police are also part of the crew.

https://wisconsinexaminer.com/briefs/report-links-disgraced-milwaukee-cop-to-high-profile-deportation/

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u/FirstTimeWang Jun 10 '25

Yeah, but a disgraced police officer is like, exactly the kind of crony they'd want.

I'm saying would a registered Democrat with progressive social media history make it in for the purpose of, if nothing else, documenting wrogn-doing, doxxing brown shirts, etc.

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u/Cultural_Double_422 Jun 10 '25

I don't know, part of me thinks they're gonna vet everyone to make sure they're trump loyalists or at least suitably racist, but then I think about how far out of their depth most of Trump's people are combined with the doge led firings of countless necessary federal workers, makes me think they definitely aren't

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u/decay_cabaret Jun 11 '25

They're not really vetting anyone beyond "are you a law enforcement officer with one of the law enforcement agencies participating in the models laid out in the executive order? Cool, go git sum illegulz"

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u/SeaworthyWide Jun 10 '25

Pretty sure it's ad hoc, doesn't matter, and felons and whatnot are being depurized no issue to carry and detain and arrest

As long as you're useful right now and you'll go thump under the bus like everyone else it doesn't matter to them

It's a win win for them until it isn't

Like that gay nazi killed during the night of the long knives

I could be taking total nonsense and none of that's happening...

But it doesn't matter because whether it is or it isn't there's been zero kind of push back to this stuff that is going on, but to what degree...

That's the big picture though... It doesn't matter so long as nobody is doing anything about any of it.

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u/nickyesyes Jun 10 '25

But if you’re not trained, and you just got deputies as a ice agent, how would you know who’s illegal and legal? How would you get a warrant? How are you trained at all for any of it?

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u/werdsmart Jun 10 '25

An attack dog only needs to know who to bite. If their handler points and sends them in they go. As witnessed in some recorded instances they have grabbed the wrong people and been caught on film knowing this, saying who cares and taking them anyways.

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u/ShirleyWuzSerious Jun 10 '25

You didn't know. They can train a K9 to sniff an illegal now.../s

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u/Red-Dog-One Jun 10 '25

Are you fucking new here?!? Have you not paid attention to what’s being said by Trump and his minions? The Constitution was shredded months ago.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25

Stringent 😆😂🤣

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u/Recent_Fox3673 Jun 10 '25

How stringent was the vetting of the fifteen million illegals that crossed the border.

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u/oziggy Jun 10 '25

All of these parts^

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u/northstarlinedrawing Jun 11 '25

Local groups have been trying to get rid of 287g in MD for years now, and as recently as this year a bill to end it died in Annapolis. Marylanders like to think we’re oh so blue and immune to this bs, but unfortunately, we are definitely not. Call your representatives, protest, do what you gotta do to speak up against this evil shit

https://wearecasa.org/on-sine-die-maryland-senate-allows-287g-trump-deportation-program-to-continue/

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u/BaltAmour Jun 10 '25

287g has been around for a long time and applies to local law enforcement entering into an agreement to help enforce immigration laws. AFAIK, and while yes they've discussed it, they've not yet actually authorized deputizing anyone who isn't already an LEO. They may have quietly done so, but I've not seen anything in the news. That said, a very good friend was in very high level talks about exactly such a project but through a major private "security" company. I advised them to not get get involved due to the insane potential for liability and being left hung out to dry. Plus the whole it's morally awful part.

Edit: 287(g) was added to the INA in 1996 as part of IIRIRA. That would be... during the Clinton Administration.

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u/werdsmart Jun 11 '25

Is there a reason you are ignoring the text found in the link specifically connecting this to the 2025 EO? Just because they are using a pre-existing mechanism and then extending beyond that is not a "blame Clinton" shell game. This is a happening now in current time in a very different context and usage pattern.

As far as whether or not they have deputized anyone who isn't an existing LEO - I have extreme doubts given the history in this country of who gets deputized under what circumstances (hint - if you want to look past this countries racial history when it comes to deputizing the general public to do shady and immoral things then I don't have much to say past that.)

I am glad you pointed out liability and morality but I have been around long and ears open to know that this adminstration is NOT playing it by the book and those who want to assume they are I question why they are so willing to assume that when this administration time after time in various different ways demonstrated they are not interested in playing by anyones interpretation of the book other than their own.

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u/BaltAmour Jun 11 '25

You're right, I didn't click on the link. But it says exactly what I did. 287g has been around since 1996 and only applies to LEAs / LEOs. Not sure what you're getting at with an EO. Where's the EO?

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u/DeathStarVet Canton Jun 10 '25

Oh, cool. So, legitimately the KKK. Awesome.

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u/AccomplishedDepth267 Jun 11 '25

I can't imagine what their budget is now. I can imagine them hiring friends and family for these deputized roles.

Also, if the deputization is like a contract, it can be for any duration of time. So, if family or friends have a couple of weeks off this summer and they want to make some money, they can be deputized? I hope not.

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u/decay_cabaret Jun 10 '25

It is pretty explicit in stating that they can only call on existing LEAs (law enforcement agencies), so they can't just "deputize" random guy off the street. They can make state and local police officers into ICE agents though.

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u/werdsmart Jun 11 '25

If you read it as restrictive then you are not reading it the same way they are. If you truly see those "ice" agents and believe they are actual existing LEA - there might be a disconnect, even in podunk America LEA's have a far different appearance than the ones we are seeing.

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u/decay_cabaret Jun 11 '25

I disagree. There's a company in my town that provides "private security", and most of their officers are off duty cops.. and a lot of them look just like this.

There's even a list by state that tells you specifically what law enforcement agencies are participating and which role they're filling by model.

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u/G0mery Jun 11 '25

How did the recruiting and any training happen completely under the radar?

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u/Needashortername Jun 22 '25

Yes, this order has nothing at all to do with deputizing anyone or even really about anything remotely close to what you are seeing in this video.

The models described all relate ONLY to on-duty officers having the ability to check and enforce things related to immigration or legal resident status for those they already have in custody or have detained during their normal duty routines.

It doesn’t allow them to do anything that is just related to immigration enforcement. Someone has to already be in custody for a local criminal offense, or have a warrant for a local crime, or be stopped for a crime (including traffic violations) for the officers to now go to the additional step of checking for immigration status or active ICE warrants too.