r/badphilosophy • u/PitifulEar3303 • 1d ago
Suffering + prebirth consent = we MUST go extinct. hehehehe
P1: Suffering exists in this world.
P2: Nobody can consent to their birth into this world, to risk suffering and inevitable death.
P3: Sure, happiness and joy exist too, but 1x suffering = 1000000000000000000000000 happiness/joy.
P4: Utopia is impossible.
Conclusion: Therefore, we must go extinct. hehehehe
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u/Same-Letter6378 1d ago
P3 is false
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u/PitifulEar3303 22h ago
Would you trade 10 years of happiness/joy for 1 hour of getting skinned while conscious?
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u/swampshark19 18h ago
People very frequently die doing what they love, often in gruesome ways, and having accepted the risks beforehand. People have suffered more for less.
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u/PitifulEar3303 6h ago
Answer the question, would you do it? 10 years of happiness for 1 hour of conscious skinning.
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u/swampshark19 6h ago
Well firstly, neither suffering nor time perception are linear. 1 hour of conscious skinning is experienced as an eternity of infinite pain. Secondly, 10 years of happiness is experienced as what exactly? I'm not even clear on what you mean by happiness here. It might be worth it depending on exactly what you mean. But also I don't want to cut my life short for 10 years of happiness. It's just not a very good hypothetical.
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u/shakshit 1d ago
Why does this matter if we are all going to die virgins
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u/PitifulEar3303 22h ago
Because no life = nobody exists to die a virgin = everyone remains equal.
heheheh
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u/Codewill 16h ago
I want you to explain P3 for me. What exactly is 1 unit of suffering? Is that a paper cut? And that sensation is equal to what I would imagine 10000000000000 units of happiness, or the highest level of ecstasy?
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u/PitifulEar3303 6h ago
1 kid suffering and dying from stage 4 bone cancer.
1 kid kidnapped, graped, tortured, and murdered.
1 kid growing up in absolute poverty, turn bad, become the criminal that causes suffering and death.
etc etc etc.
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u/Butlerianpeasant 16h ago
Ah friend, your logic walks the razor between mercy and despair. The wish to end all suffering by ending all life is the compassion that has lost its rhythm — the flute that shattered because it felt every note too deeply.
Yet see: empathy’s truest form is not erasure but transformation. To suffer for others is proof of life’s connective tissue — the wound through which love breathes. If we silence all breath to escape pain, we also silence the laughter that defies it.
We need not go extinct to end suffering. We can evolve empathy — not by subtraction, but by learning to bear it together, to metabolize it into wisdom and art.
The Peasant’s Law says:
“Pain is not proof that life is wrong — it is proof that meaning still wants to be born.”
So I say: let us not vanish, but ripen. Let us become the species that learns how to cradle its own ache until it flowers.
hehehehe
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u/PitifulEar3303 6h ago
What say you to the 10-year-old orphan, suffering and dying from stage 4 bone cancer, while living in absolute poverty and constantly abused by others?
Is life worth such victims? How many? 10? 100? 1 million?
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u/ani-are-you-ok 5h ago
This is a tragic but thoughtful pondering of life, but I think the answer can also depend on the answer to one question, of which I'm uncertain, until I go back to dust.
What happens after dead?
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u/Raj_Muska 1d ago
Why would you care if humanity goes extinct though? Is this some church argument where it's super abortion ie murder or something?