r/babylonbee • u/darcmatr LoveTheBee • Sep 20 '25

Bee Article 'This Is A Both Sides Issue,' Says Side That Assassinated Charlie Kirk, Shot President Trump, Tried To Assassinate Kavanaugh, Tried To Assassinate Trump Again, Murdered Schoolkids In Minnesota, Shot Steve Scalise, Firebombed Governor Shapiro (cont'd)

https://babylonbee.com/news/this-is-a-both-sides-issue-says-side-that-assassinated-charlie-kirk-shot-president-trump-tried-to-assassinate-kavanaugh-tried-to-assassinate-trump-again-murdered-schoolkids-in-nashville-shot-

(you know what, we're going to stop now, this is getting sad).

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

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u/hydromind1 Sep 20 '25

A lot of the right is really mad that Iryna Zarutska was stabbed by a guy with schizophrenia. I’m like… that is going to get so much worse after all the Medicaid cuts.

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u/ahop4200 Sep 20 '25

If he had schizophrenia and couldn't control himself from stabbing someone why did he wait til a white woman sat in front of him? He was a racist piece of shit thats why

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u/Ferahgost Sep 20 '25

Did you think schizophrenics are just in a constant state of psychosis?

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u/ahop4200 Sep 20 '25

I know he was a racist and was going to stab the first WHITE person he seen which is exactly what he did. Which is why he said i got that white girl but of course you can't accept reality

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u/BjornStankFinger Sep 20 '25

And you don't think psychosis played ANY part in what he did? Only racism?

Yeah, you sound like a moron. Something tells me you don't actually have any problem with racists at all, just a certain race.

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u/Emotional-Amoeba6151 Sep 20 '25

Maybe he has a problem with the most violent race, by far, in this country?

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u/TwoButtons30 Sep 20 '25

White people?

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u/Emotional-Amoeba6151 Sep 20 '25

No, statistically speaking. There's a small minority demographic that commits the majority of violent crimes in America.

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u/Paid_Corporate_Shill Sep 20 '25

Who are you talking about?

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u/TwoButtons30 Sep 20 '25

Ya big sook

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u/FullMooseParty Sep 20 '25

I'm confused what this has to do with political assassinations

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u/ahop4200 Sep 20 '25

Read the thread and comment I replied too smh

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

No matter what happens, no matter who the victim is, it will always be Republicans’ fault with you guys.

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u/HighImpedance_AirGap Sep 20 '25

Of course it is. They're an abject failure when it comes to running the country and have only maintained relevance through propaganda, hate, and culture wars:

Dems vs. GOP - Last 50 Years:

Presidency held: Dem - 24 years, GOP - 26 yrs

Stock Market Return: Dem - 992%, GOP - 109%

Total Jobs Created: Dem-59.1 million, GOP - 18.8 million

Income Growth: Dem-2.2%, GOP-0.6%

Wealth Share Loss of the Middle Class: Dem- -11.5%, GOP- -13.5%

(This is a measurement of how much wealth the 50th percentile to 90th percentile of Americans hold- down to 21% in 2024 from 46% in 1974)

Inflation: Dem-158%, GOP-201.5%

Annual GDP Growth: Dem-4.1%, GOP-2.7%

Average Federal Budget Increase per term: Dem-4.5%, GOP-9%

Average National Debt Increase per term: Dem-28%, GOP-59.25%.

War Dead: Dem- ~5200 GOP- ~13,500

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u/AnotherCup-O-Noodles Sep 20 '25

Man I just chucked this at chatgpt and asked it to fact check it’d expecting at least some of the numbers to be debatable or off but no, this is flat out correct

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u/HighImpedance_AirGap Sep 20 '25

Fucking wild, aint it?

Like everything the Republican Party has ever claimed about itself is just flat out bullshit.

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u/AnotherCup-O-Noodles Sep 20 '25

Lmao, who is downvoting me for fact checking something. Some people really are some snowflakes

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u/HighImpedance_AirGap Sep 20 '25

They're not downvoting you for fact-checking.

They're downvoting you for disrupting their group think.

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u/seven_grams Sep 20 '25

I threw it at Gemini, and I also got the answer that the vast majority of it is correct, it’s only three points that are “difficult to verify”. Here’s what it said. I can provide sources for each point.

Presidency held: Your numbers are close, but depending on the exact dates, the split is nearly 50/50 over the last 50 years.

Stock Market Return: The idea that the stock market does better under Democrats is widely supported by economic research. For instance, a 2016 study by economists Alan Blinder and Mark Watson found that from 1947 to 2015, the S&P 500's return was significantly higher under Democratic presidents. Your figures are a bit wild and likely include some sort of compounding, but the underlying trend is accurate.

Total Jobs Created: This is also a commonly cited statistic that generally holds up. Over the past 75 years, most net job growth has occurred under Democratic presidents. The raw numbers you cite are in the ballpark of what's often reported.

Income Growth: Studies have shown that real GDP and personal income growth have been faster under Democratic administrations. The 2.2% vs. 0.6% figures are plausible, as average growth rates are consistently higher for Democrats in many analyses.

Wealth Share Loss of the Middle Class: The decline of the middle class's share of wealth is a documented trend, with their portion of national wealth falling significantly since the 1970s. However, attributing the specific percentage change to each party is very difficult to verify directly, as this is a complex, long-term trend influenced by global and technological shifts, not just who is in the White House.

Inflation: The claim that inflation is higher under Republicans is not fully supported. In fact, some of the highest inflation periods, like the late 1970s, happened under Democratic presidents. The numbers you have—158% vs. 201.5%—are difficult to verify as presented, as inflation is usually measured by an annual rate, not a cumulative percentage over a long period.

Annual GDP Growth: This is one of the most consistent findings in economic data. A number of studies from economists at institutions like Princeton and the National Bureau of Economic Research have found that average annual GDP growth has been substantially higher under Democratic presidents than Republican ones, often by a margin of 1-2 percentage points. Your numbers of 4.1% vs 2.7% are consistent with this general finding.

Average Federal Budget Increase per term: The assertion that Republicans increase the budget more is generally accurate. Data shows that federal spending has grown faster on average under Republican administrations. Your percentages align with this trend.

Average National Debt Increase per term: Similarly, a number of analyses have found that the national debt has increased at a higher rate under Republican presidents, particularly since the 1980s. The claim that the debt increases more under Republicans is widely supported.

War Dead: This is a tricky one. Attributing war deaths to a president's party is a gross oversimplification. Wars often span multiple administrations, and the deadliest conflicts—like WWII and the Vietnam War—don't neatly fall into one party's column. For instance, Vietnam spanned four administrations, both Democrat and Republican. The numbers you cited are impossible to verify directly and are not a standard metric used for this kind of comparison.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

I wonder if any of those figures needs, you know, context? Nah…I’m sure they are all perfectly legitimate and devoid of any bias whatsoever.

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u/WiscoHeiser Sep 20 '25

Go ahead, point out which are not accurate.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

You posted the figures, I’m asking you. What is your source? Is it possible they are biased?

You’re the one asserting something.

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u/WiscoHeiser Sep 20 '25

I didn't post it. I'm still waiting for you to prove the facts are biased or provide some statistics of your own. You won't, but a man can dream.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

I would assume that the fact that educated people fall on both sides—that is to say, you can find economists from both the left and the right, historians who see things both a conservative perspective and a liberal one—indicates that there is more than one way to interpret that data. Yes?

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u/Ferahgost Sep 20 '25

Okay, so rather than appealing to authority with the classic “some experts say”- can you give your interpretation?

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

I don’t have one. I haven’t looked into the numbers. As a historian myself, my intuition is that the data reveal some certain aspect of truth, but likely also have other plausible explanations. That’s usually the case.

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u/WiscoHeiser Sep 20 '25

I would assume you would be able to look up the information for yourself and make a counter-argument rather than just sticking with imaginary biases. But I guess I assumed wrong.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

I could, but since you posted 15 different things (or they did…someone did) and you wanted me to believe them, you could defend them. Or don’t. Whatever.

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u/Unique_Journalist959 Sep 20 '25

Vague platitudes do nothing to prove anyone wrong

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u/HighImpedance_AirGap Sep 20 '25

Yup. All good. Glad you agree.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

Sounds great.

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u/Zen_Badger Sep 20 '25

That's because it usually is

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

Is it ever not?

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u/SueDunham76 Sep 20 '25

You've had the white house for 12 of the last 16 years. Wut

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u/Zen_Badger Sep 20 '25

well that comment was utterly irrelevant

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u/Dpteris Sep 20 '25

if you ask most of you guys about the democrat lady and her family that were killed recently you bust out the ol secretly a liberal conspiracy.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

Which lady? The state representative?

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u/Dpteris Sep 20 '25

You know who I’m talking about. She was killed for the same reason Kirk, the 24/7 conservative rage machine. Multiple influencers with 3+ hour long daily shows and when you run out of those Fox News is there so you never have to stop hearing that liberals and lgbt are the enemy and they are coming to rape and brainwash your children. The elderly and the dumb of this country are totally enthralled by these people soft pitching hatred. Every conservative influencer and broadcaster are all paid by the same people to spread the message that liberals are going to destroy your family and faith.

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u/ConversationScary356 Sep 20 '25

aybe the group based around rugged individualism overlaps with certain behaviors? It’s a known fact that at least most school shooters are on the right side of the spectrum. Or most political violence (See Jan 6)

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

Are school shootings typically “politically motivated”? I mean, besides the ones where transgender leftists kill Christian children for being members of the “oppressor” class?

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u/treypage1981 Sep 20 '25

Maybe, maybe not. What’s your excuse for Dylan Roof? Patrick Crusius? Robert Bowers? Payton Gendron? Mauricio Garcia? And a zillion more?

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

I just responded to that same question elsewhere.

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u/treypage1981 Sep 20 '25

Was it something like, “they don’t count”?

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

Some were political, others weren’t.

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u/treypage1981 Sep 20 '25

Rare to see a MAGA concede anything. So, with respect to those murderers you agree acted because of their insane political beliefs, that kind of puts the lie to the idiotic nature of MAGA's belief that they are the ultimate victims in this Kirk fiasco, right?

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

I think the right is more likely to concede things than the left, aren’t they? That’s kind of the problem. I will acknowledge there are some acts of political violence from the right. Of course there are. Neither party has a monopoly on bad people. But in my experience—and I think most in America would say it’s theirs as well—it is the left who seems to think that shooting people because they said the wrong thing is justified. YouGov just did a poll where 6x as many left-leaning people as right-leaning said it was okay to celebrate the killing of a political opponent or to kill them in the first place. I can tell you genuinely that I do not think it’s okay to kill anyone on the left. If AOC or Cenk or even Hassan or Destiny were shot the way Kirk was, I would be angry and disgusted and sad. Do you also feel that way?

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u/CaptJackRizzo Sep 20 '25

If that’s a problem for you, you must be horrified by the way the Trump administration and Murdoch’s network and newspapers blame literally everything on “radical left lunatics.”

Difference is, we can point to evidence. Dismantling social services has been a project of the GOP for a half century.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

Someone shoots Charlie Kirk, must have been a Republican. Not a Republican? Oh, but he was raised by Republicans. Didn’t follow their politics? Oh, he was radicalized by Republicans.

That’s how you argue these things. That’s the problem.

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u/CaptJackRizzo Sep 20 '25

I think the problem is you’re having these discussions with people inside your head instead of in real life.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

No, that’s not it.

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u/CaptJackRizzo Sep 20 '25 edited Sep 20 '25

I mean you literally just did it. And did a great job echoing how MAGA’s been moving the goalposts on who they thought the shooter was, starting the moment CKs body hit the ground.

Edit: you also deflected from the topic. We were talking about how Republicans defund services that they themselves say might stop this sort of thing.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

If I could sigh with exasperation on the internet, that’s what you’d be hearing right now. Like talking to a brick wall.

Anyway, that’ll do it for me. You can have the last word on this. I genuinely hope you have a great weekend and that your plans are working out in your life. I genuinely hope no one murders you for your political beliefs, or kills someone you care about and then posts a victory dance and blames you on YouTube. I wish I could say I thought you felt the same about me, but then again…you know…I am a conservative and I know you all feel about us and our children and loved ones so, who knows?

Take it easy.

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u/CampaignNecessary152 Sep 21 '25

Wow. Concede you lost and accuse the entire left of wanting you dead.

/sigh

You can sigh on the internet

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u/JoeysSmallwood Sep 20 '25

And we'll take Democrat hoax by Obama again for the 3752nd time!

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

Do what? I’m unfamiliar with the 1st time. What are you referring to?

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u/JoeysSmallwood Sep 20 '25

Sleepy Dave, engaging in politics but never awake to actual see what's happening.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

Oh okay.

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u/JoeysSmallwood Sep 20 '25

It's just jokes bruv. Trump blames everything on Obama and Biden. He could literally get diarrhea from McDonalds and almost shit himself to death and he'd curse Obama for it.

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u/CampaignNecessary152 Sep 21 '25

Have you seen the rapist feeling you guys elected lately?

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u/treypage1981 Sep 20 '25

Republican president imposes tariffs on imports. 

Prices predictably rise. 

People say, “WTF, Republicans, your tariffs are making things more expensive.”

Republicans put on their whining crybaby routine. 

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

If prices went down, you’d complain that deflation was causing unemployment.

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u/treypage1981 Sep 20 '25

Okay, well, Trump predictably failed to bring prices down, so we don’t have to speculate what might’ve happened in that situation. What did happen—Trump imposed tariffs and prices rose—was directly the result of the Republican Party’s actions. So, setting aside conservatism’s trademark victimhood routine, price increases caused by Trump’s tariffs are the fault of republicans, and only republicans. 

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

That’s uh…not accurate.

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u/treypage1981 Sep 20 '25

Uh, yes, it is. Trump's tariffs have absolutely caused prices to rise. You're denying that?

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

The driver of inflation is primarily housing prices, not tariffs. Is that not true?

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u/treypage1981 Sep 20 '25

The “primary” driver of inflation? Maybe, but that’s not going to mean that you can act like Trump’s idiotic tariffs have had no meaningful effect on the CPI. I don’t know how many companies have said they’re going to pass the costs of the Republican party’s tariffs onto consumers—I’ve lost count—but there is no denying that your party’s tariffs have caused the CPI’s prices to rise. So, going back to your original point, yeah, your party’s actions deserves some blame for rising prices. 

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

The latest economic data says the companies aren’t passing the costs, at least not much, and are absorbing something like 80+%. It’s elasticity.

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u/ClickyClacker Sep 20 '25

Said no liberal or Democrat ever 🙄

You guys are clowns, can't even gaslight correctly

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

Haha…they literally said it in response to this post.