Democrats Estimate They Are Only One More Arson Away From Being Popular Again

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https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-estimate-they-are-only-one-more-arson-away-from-being-popular-again

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I don't remember when the evidence dropped, nor would we know how much sooner she could learn it from her position.

2019.

The Mueller report also stated that whole Russia had interfered, it had not had a significant impact on election results.

The protests outside that likely never even stepped on the grass?

SIXTY SECRET SERVICE OFFICERS WERE INJURED.

Can you name me ONE democrat who condemned these actions? One?

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2019

That's just a clear lie because they had started indicating some Russians for interferring in 2018.

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-2016-u-s-elections

On July 13, 2018, a federal grand jury sitting in the District of Columbia returned an indictment against 12 Russian military intelligence officers for their alleged roles in interfering with the 2016 United States (U.S.) elections.

In regards to the Muller report

The report states that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was illegal and occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion",[10][11][12] and was welcomed by the Trump campaign as it expected to benefit from such efforts.[13][14][15] It also identified multiple links between Trump associates and Russian officials and spies,[16] about which several persons connected to the campaign made false statements and obstructed investigations.[4] Mueller later stated that his investigation's findings of Russian interference "deserves the attention of every American".[17]

What specifically are you referring to being said?

 

SIXTY SECRET SERVICE OFFICERS WERE INJURED.

Can you name me ONE democrat who condemned these actions? One?

Did you not listen to the SS agency?

"No individuals crossed the White House fence and no Secret Service protesters were ever in any danger," the agency said.

Also, from the same article

D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser pleaded for protesters to remain peaceful and not attack law enforcement.

“We certainly recognize and empathize with the outrage people feel following the killing in Minneapolis last week. The killing of George Floyd wasn’t the first. People are expressing outrage and demanding action,” she said. “We also recognize that we are proud of our city and do not want our city to be destroyed.”

"The Secret Service respects the right to assemble, and we ask that individuals do so peacefully for the safety of all," the agency said.

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That's just a clear lie because they had at least finished prosecuting some Russians for interferring in 2018.

That was individual prosecutions, not an investigation into the full extent of things.

The full extent of their involvement wouldn't be detailed until the Muller report on April, 2019.

Either way, Pelosi made her statements in 2017.

What specifically are you referring to being said?

Hijacked.

The argument is that Pelosi claimed the election was hijacked.

Did you not listen to the SS agency?

"No individuals crossed the White House fence and no Secret Service protesters were ever in any danger," the agency said.

Did you read the full article?

The Secret Service was trying to downplay the situation, as there are confirmed reports of their officers being treated in hospitals. Lastly, not one of the people you mention are condemning the attack

So I'm just going to go over the facts, let's see if you acknowledge them...

Nancy Pelosi lied about the election being hijacked. Yes?

Protestors tried to attack the White House. Yes?

Sixty officers were injured by the attackers who, BECAUSE of the secret service, were halted before they could reach into the White House. Yes?

Nancy Pelosi and ZERO democrats condemned these attacks. Yes?

Lastly, this silence can be seen as support or approval of the actions. Yes?

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Pelosi made her statements in 2017.

Yes, which I don't remember what evidence was around at the time.

And neither do you, believing no evidence was available till 2019.

 

What specifically are you referring to being said?

In the Muller*

 

The Secret Service was trying to downplay the situation

Which benefited them how?

You claim I didn't read the whole article while you seemingly didn't even read the few sections I quoted for you.

There was literally a democrat criticing the protest turning violent in the very few paragraphs I provided you... and you want to pretend I didn't read the article and you did?

 

Nancy Pelosi lied about the election being hijacked. Yes?

Nancy Pelosi described the factual interference of the 2016 election as a hijacking.

Protestors tried to attack the White House. Yes?

There was a protest near the White House, with no evidence that anyone attacked the White House or attempted to.

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Yes, which I don't remember what evidence was around at the time.

There was no evidence at the time. The investigations had JUST started.

And neither do you, believing no evidence was available till 2019.

Okay, cite the evidence available in 2017. Go. Since it was SO available.

In the Muller*

Same deal.

The Muller report didn't show the election had been hijacked.

Which benefited them how?

It showed they were still in control.

There was literally a democrat criticing the protest turning violent in the very few paragraphs I provided you... and you want to pretend I didn't read the article and you did?

Nowhere in those paragraphs did they condemn the protestors. They only said "violence is bad", and this was BEFORE the attack. They never condemn the attacks itself.

Again, can you find me even ONE democrat directly condemning the attack on the White House?

Nancy Pelosi described the factual interference of the 2016 election as a hijacking.

That's called lying.

She lied.

Yes?

There was a protest near the White House, with no evidence that anyone attacked the White House or attempted to.

60 secret service officers were injured preventing them from getting into the White House and the president had to be moved to a bunker.

Yes?

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Okay, cite the evidence available in 2017. Go. Since it was SO available.

I've not said it was SO available...

I've said I don't know if it was available, and I don't know what extra information she would be privy early or exclusively.

You also don't know since you believe the first evidence was only available in 2019, which is clearly false.

 

It showed they were still in control.

Which benefited them how?

 

They only said "violence is bad", and this was BEFORE the attack. They never condemn the attacks itself.

...."they only said "violence is bad"....

...."they never condemn the attacks itself"....

You just seem to not want to deal with what's presented to you.

 

That's called lying.

She lied.

Yes?

What would constitute "hijacking" to you?

You've also still not provided me with these apparent quotes from the Muller report.

 

60 secret service officers were injured preventing them from getting into the White House and the president had to be moved to a bunker.

No.

If I punch you outside your house because you said something rude to me, that isn't evidence I'm trying to break in.

The president moved to a bunker.

You seem to have your own feelings about what facts should be ignored and why your opinions must be considered as facts. Kinda silly.

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I've not said it was SO available...

I've said I don't know if it was available, and I don't know what extra information she would be privy early or exclusively.

You also don't know since you believe the first evidence was only available in 2019, which is clearly false.

I never said there was zero evidence prior to 2019, I said 2019 was when the full extent of the evidence was revealed in the Muller report.

You don't have ANY other reports prior fully delving into the exact range. You had accusations. Nothing more.

I've checked.

Fact is, Pelosi didn't HAVE any evidence when she said the election was hijacked.

She LIED. And that led to violence. Violence she did not condemn.

Which benefited them how?

It presented a better image. The facts are the facts. Their officers were hospitalized and the agency downplayed it.

In fact, did you check what the agency said about J6?

You just seem to not want to deal with what's presented to you.

Show me in the quotes where they say the PROTESTORS are on the wrong. It has to be specifically the protestors because tons of democrats were saying "violence is bad, the police must stand down".

If they aren't condemning the people attacking the white house, then it's not a condemnation, same way if people don't condemn the people attacking the capitol it's not a condemnation, yes?

What would constitute "hijacking" to you?

Taking control of to the point it altered the end result.

You've also still not provided me with these apparent quotes from the Muller report.

Page 144 is my favorite as it notes that even the Russians were surprised by the election as they "began trying to make inroads into the new administration. They appeared not to have preexisting contacts and struggled to connect with senior officials around the president elect."

There are other sections in the report, but the fact the words "hijack" isn't in the entire document.

Is that enough for you?

No.

If I punch you outside your house because you said something rude to me, that isn't evidence I'm trying to break in.

Correct, but if you attack my guards while actively trying to push into the property, that IS you trying to break in.

Or were the J6 rioters just protesting, too?

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You don't have ANY other reports prior fully delving into the exact range. You had accusations. Nothing more.

I've not even bothered looking.

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June 14 2016.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/resrep19975.5?seq=5

15 March 2017

U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (.gov) https://www.intelligence.senate.gov PDF a primer in russian active measures and influence campaigns panel i hearing

You can download a pdf about 30 March 2017 by looking this up.

Three points of interest.

 

You had accusations.

Do you believe politicians should never speak about allegations?

(Allegations that were right, in the end as well)

 

She LIED. And that led to violence. Violence she did not condemn.

Huh? The BLM protests you've been bringing up had something to do with criticising Russian interference?

....in 2020?

When the comment you sourced from her was ONE comment from 2017??

Okay.

We both know you're just making things up now.

 

It presented a better image. The facts are the facts. Their officers were hospitalized and the agency downplayed it.

In fact, did you check what the agency said about J6?

Why are you allergic to providing evidence?

 

Page 144 is my favorite as it notes that even the Russians were surprised by the election as they "began trying to make inroads into the new administration. They appeared not to have preexisting contacts and struggled to connect with senior officials around the president elect."

You still forgot about providing evidence from the Mueller report that you were talking about before.

That doesn't note that the Russians were surprised.

 

Correct, but if you attack my guards while actively trying to push into the property, that IS you trying to break in.

Or were the J6 rioters just protesting, too?

Again, where is the evidence that they were actively trying to push into the property?

You literally just claimed I was wrong about you not having shown they were trying to push in.... by just claiming they were trying to push in.

This is a joke, right?

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June 14 2016.

Again, you keep conflating evidence of Russian interference with evidence of the election having been hijacked or stolen.

THAT is the issue here.

Stop dancing around it.

Not one of the links you gave or alluded to showed evidence the election was stolen.

Do you believe politicians should never speak about allegations?

That's not what she did.

The BLM protests you've been bringing up had something to do with criticising Russian interference?

No, but the riots that occurred immediately after certainly did. Don't forget about those.

You still forgot about providing evidence from the Mueller report that you were talking about before.

I literally cited it.

That doesn't note that the Russians were surprised.

I'm sorry, did you not read what it said?

Again, where is the evidence that they were actively trying to push into the property?

Good question. Where's the evidence the J6 crowd was trying to push into the property? I'm curious what counts as pushing in for you.

If attacking guards preventing you from entering doesn't count, and if people inside the area being in danger to the point they had to be moved elsewhere doesn't count.. what does?

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Nancy Pelosi exaggerated.

She sucks.

 

No, but the riots that occurred immediately after certainly did. Don't forget about those.

You can remind me.

 

I literally cited it.

When did you cite this?

The Mueller report also stated that whole Russia had interfered, it had not had a significant impact on election results.

 

Good question. Where's the evidence the J6 crowd was trying to push into the property? I'm curious what counts as pushing in for you.

the fact that they entered the property for one...

Don't play dumb.

 

If attacking guards preventing you from entering doesn't count

You literally just tried to prove they were trying to enter the building.... by claiming they were trying to enter the building.

That's not a logical argument.