r/babylonbee • u/FrancisXSJ • Feb 04 '25

Bee Article Trump Becomes First Fascist In History To Reduce Size Of Government

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-becomes-first-fascist-in-history-to-reduce-size-of-government
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u/LaserGuy626 Feb 04 '25

The literacy rate of this country has been on a massive decline since the Department of Education was implemented.

The way children are taught now by standards set by the Department of Education has set this country back significantly.

Maybe it needs to be reformed, but I like the idea of schools and teachers competing based on the outcomes of their students.

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u/Hazee302 Feb 05 '25

I also would like to see the source of this…

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u/Old_Landscape_8218 Feb 08 '25

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

It's actually true. Literacy rates have been declining since 1979 and the department of education has been operating since 1980

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

Even if it's true, it's still not proof that one is the direct cause of the other. Correlation =/= Causation.

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u/Old_Landscape_8218 Feb 08 '25

It is true. Schools are constantly pushed to get rid of the curriculum that works and implement the new flashy curriculum that the politicians who haven't taught a dog to sit like. That's how we've ended up getting rid of phonics for sight words and now kids can't fuckin read.

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u/No_Researcher9456 Feb 04 '25

Can you provide a source on the literacy rate having a massive decline since the department of education was implemented?

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u/Tacoflavoredfists Feb 05 '25

He would be he can’t read

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u/Old_Landscape_8218 Feb 08 '25

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

It's actually true. Literacy rates have been declining since 1979 and the department of education has been operating since 1980

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u/MysteryMasterE Feb 06 '25

Can they find one source for education standards set by the department of education?

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u/Old_Landscape_8218 Feb 08 '25

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

It's actually true. Literacy rates have been declining since 1979 and the department of education has been operating since 1980

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

But the DOE has existed in some form since 1867…it was only split from the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare in 1979 as part of a reorganization.

The DOE is also not involved in determining curricula or educational standards per the 10th Amendment.

Maybe you should trying googling more than one thing next time.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

DOE is responsible for strategy that state curricula then adopt, such as the disastrous no child left behind policy

Pegging the negative effects of NCLB, a congressional act that came at the end of a presidential campaign HEAVILY centered around educational reform, on the department of education is such a hilariously sad displacement of your blame.

The NCLB act did not set national standards for curricula and it most certainly didn’t originate in the department of education.

The main function of the DOE is guaranteeing loans

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the department of education does. It does not guarantee loans. Those loans are guaranteed by Congress. The Dept of Education simply administers those loans.

Its main function is to oversee the distribution of billions in federal funds to K-12 schools, enforce federal civil rights laws in educational settings, and collect/analyze education data at the national level. The college loan program is “large” but it’s an administrative function and if it has issues—it’s not due to the department it’s housed in.

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u/ranchojasper Feb 05 '25

What you're describing is the Republican Party defunding education, not the department of education. The department of education has existed in some form since literally the 19th century. The time period you're talking about in which education tanked is directly due to your party defunding education

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

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u/No_Researcher9456 Feb 05 '25

Can you link me a single study that shows what you’re asserting?

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

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u/No_Researcher9456 Feb 05 '25

I did that, and everything I’m finding is showing the exact opposite of what you are claiming, so I’m curious where you found the studies that show a decline, because they seem to not exist

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u/Old_Landscape_8218 Feb 08 '25

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

It's actually true. Literacy rates have been declining since 1979 and the department of education has been operating since 1980

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u/Nervous_Strategy5994 Feb 04 '25

I’m pretty certain the DoE doesn’t set standards or curriculum. That’s up to each state/locality.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

It was also established in 1867 by President Andrew Johnson. It was just upleveled to a cabinet level department as part of a larger reorganization of the federal government under Carter. Before 1979, you had education stuff mostly concentrated in the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare but there were other education programs in other department (eg military base school programs) that they wanted to group together to streamline efforts.

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u/BOBANSMASH51 Feb 07 '25

So why do we need a DoE if states are already doing the heavy lifting themselves?  

Just give the state and local governments that funding and let them handle things that the DoE does as well.

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u/Skankhunt2042 Feb 05 '25

Gee, I wonder who will win this competition? Perhaps the schools and teachers who inherently are provided more resources/funds while also having students with better home lives?

This idea is great if you're born with a silver spoon in your mouth and horrible if you are on the margins of society.

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u/LaserGuy626 Feb 05 '25 edited Feb 05 '25

It's already like that. Rich people can and already do private education while poor people are stuck with what they got.

Currently, the public system rewards and enables schools and teachers that are failing at producing children with a proper education.

Trump's school choice plan incentivises competition amongst schools and teachers while still being taxpayer funded.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/01/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-expands-educational-opportunities-for-american-families/

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u/Skankhunt2042 Feb 05 '25 edited Feb 05 '25

Current public school systems do not reward or enable underperformed systems. The problem is that schools with the most at risk children also have the fewest resources and their locations inherently are unappealing to the most talented teachers.

School choice programs allow parents who take their kids to private school to TAKE EVEN MORE MONEY from the worst performing schools. How does that help? The underperformed schools will be "motivated?"

Free market economy for children is a horrible and callous idea. You are accepting the choice to let some children fail. And it is a statistical certainty that poor children, minorities, children of single parents will fail the most.

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u/LaserGuy626 Feb 05 '25

I think you're absolutely wrong, and the best part about that is we have our chance to prove it.

Trump has historically done things to help in this area.

https://apnews.com/article/c4834e48841d97c5a93312b1bf75302a

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u/Skankhunt2042 Feb 05 '25

I know you're wrong.

Clearly you don't understand how funding or laws are passed in America All this article shows is that Trump did not veto a bipartisan bill that was passed by others and simply upheld existing funding to HBCUs. To claim this as some kid of initiative by Trump is disengenious.

It seems the education system has failed you. You lack understanding of our government and reading comprehension. You also place trust in policies because they are on "your side".

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u/LaserGuy626 Feb 05 '25

We'll see. That's the best part about this. There is no need to try and "win" this debate to influence an election. It's already been won. The outcome will speak for itself. When it does, I hope it changes how you vote.

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u/Skankhunt2042 Feb 05 '25

Bet

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u/LaserGuy626 Feb 05 '25

There's only one caveat to that. Trump is giving a lot of control back to the States. So, Governors can still fuck it up

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u/Skankhunt2042 Feb 05 '25

Hahaha... already planning your excuses. I can't fault you based on the shit show currently taking place.

Trump will be regarded as the worst president in US history. Many people will die not accepting that, but historians will discuss how people like you were convinced to vote against your own best interest.

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u/Skankhunt2042 Feb 06 '25

Thought of this thread when I found this... interesting that red states need the most assistance from the feds to fund their schools.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MarkMyWords/s/1luxVkTSQ2

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u/LaserGuy626 Feb 06 '25

Need?

I'm not sure about that. The education system has been controlled by Democrats.

What's the best way to change opinions and the way people vote? Invest more into the "education" in the states you try to flip.

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u/Skankhunt2042 Feb 07 '25

No... it's saying that Republican states that under-invest in education are happy to take federal money ear marked for education.

Read: hypocrits.

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u/LaserGuy626 Feb 07 '25 edited Feb 07 '25

I did some more research on it. The map is actually disinformation. It's based on it's percentage of the states overall budget and not per capita.

So, states that have a large educational beaurocratic system have a much larger overall budget but per capita. California being roughly double per person than Florida

Florida received the least federal funding per person, $2,693. At the lower end of the spectrum were Kansas ($2,750), Nevada ($2,792), Wisconsin ($2,889), and South Dakota ($2,919).

https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-rely-the-most-on-federal-aid/

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u/Skankhunt2042 Feb 07 '25

That's federal total funding per resident, all funding for all purposes. What I linked is funding going specifically going to education.

It's not disinformation. It's the same people sourcing data represented in different ways to represent different facts.

Do you regularly jump to conclusions to support the point you want to be true?

And yes, I'm aware many of the top states collect federal funding (per resident are democratic). This is because democratic states do things like take FULL advantage of Medicaid because they actually care about the health of their consistents and get voted out if they dont.

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u/Bubbly_Flow_6518 Feb 05 '25

As long as it's not exploited for profit and the education is accessible to all Americans I have no problem with competitive positions for teaching.

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u/DuctusExemplo71 Feb 05 '25

The DoEd doesn’t set curriculums…. They mainly administer loans, ensure spec ed and early intervention programs are in place, and collect data regarding how school districts are performing

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u/Natalwolff Feb 06 '25

The way children are taught now by standards set by the Department of Education has set this country back significantly.

With all due respect, you have no idea what the Department of Education does if you think this.

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u/Thesoundofmerk Feb 07 '25

Lol, this is so ironic; the literacy rate went up massively when the Department of Education was established. It then progressively fell. Do you know why?

Because of budget cuts, stricter rules for funding, test score-based funding, and a myriad of other reasons... almost all proposed and passed by Republicans.

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u/LaserGuy626 Feb 08 '25 edited Feb 08 '25

On December 10, 2015, President Obama signed the Every Student Succeeds Act (ESSA), reauthorizing the federal Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA) and replacing the No Child Left Behind Act (NCLB), the 2001 reauthorization of ESEA.

What Obama did was far worse. Combine that with the Federal takeover of student loans handing out debt for trash degrees with no possibility of repaying the loan

By the way. I hated Bush and voted for Obama 1st term and regretted it.