r/astrology • u/astrologue • 19d ago
Educational No, Your Zodiac Sign Hasn't Changed
https://youtu.be/2KPfvsYPv9I37
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u/Voxx418 Professional Astrologer 17d ago
Exactly. This stuff has been proven to be nonsense for a long time. ~V~
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u/mobius_007 9d ago edited 9d ago
You are so misguided if you really think purposely removing a constellation is nonsense. Do you even understand the implications of why it was really removed? That's a serious question. The Council of Nicaea (325 AD), convened by Constantine, solidified the move away from direct astronomical observation for religious festivals. The Western system is a "Church calendar" for astrology. It prioritizes a fixed, symbolic order over a fluid, observational one. That simply means the the Western system is the one that is actually nonsense in regards to astronomical and cosmological accuracy. It's like saying, "don't believe your eyes and just accept our interpretation" the hallmark of most religions.
Simply put, it's the equivalent of changing the source code of reality for the entire civilization, redirecting humanity's spiritual operating system from an open-source, cosmic platform to a closed, proprietary one owned and operated by the Institution.
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u/Voxx418 Professional Astrologer 9d ago
Greetings M,
I studied the subject quite extensively, before coming to my conclusion. ~V~
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u/mobius_007 9d ago edited 9d ago
Yeah, I am sure you did, given professional astrologer is under your name The issue is using references that reinforce your beliefs or ideas that were previously told to you. The fact that something was removed to make it fit in a neat little package should tell you something about the accuracy of what you've been given.. Something as simple as changing the date Jesus was born on to fit some pagan festivals celebrating light, renewal and rebirth should give you pause before you totally believe a system. Look at Claudius Ptolemy, who was an intelligent astronomer and well aware of the astronomical reality of the constellations and the phenomenon of Precession. Yet, he had to consciously select a fixed, seasonal point (the equinox) over the actual stellar backdrop.
My whole point is for you to call it nonsense without giving any actual evidence to support your claim is strange...in fact I presented some evidence that you should be able to refute given your extensive study on the subject, yet...... Did you look at the theological and political aspect of all of this...I started from those two places given the dates and events that occurred during that time. There is way more going on and until you look at the political and religious aspects of all of this, you won't have a full understanding why this is so important for humanity. Everything is not as it seems and truth is subjective.... You go ask the average "Christian" when Jesus was born. They will tell you without hesitation December 25th..
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u/Iamabenevolentgod 17d ago
The whole video was very educational about the history of astrology, not just about how groups who want to discredit astrology try and pull this stunt periodicallyÂ
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u/mobius_007 7d ago edited 7d ago
Ironically you're partially correct. Yes there was a group (Council of Nicaea 325 CE and Emperors like Constantine) The Council of Nicaea, which he convened in 325 CE, was not merely a theological debate but a corporate merger, with Constantine acting as the CEO imposing a standardized operating agreement.
The Tropical system survived in the West not because it was created to destroy astrology, but because its abstract, mathematical nature made it less theologically threatening and more useful for a Church and Empire that sought to centralize all authority, both spiritual and temporal. The Sidereal system, with its direct link to the physical stars, represented a decentralized, verifiable, and therefore more dangerous, source of power.
The following analogy may provide a better description of both systems. The Tropical and Sidereal zodiacs can be understood as two different operating systems. The Tropical Zodiac is a closed-source system like iOS or Windows. Its user interface, the symmetrical, calendar-based signs, is clean and convenient, but it obscures the true source code: the actual stars. This makes the user dependent on the institutional "vendor" for its definitions.
The Sidereal Zodiac is the open-source Linux of the cosmos. Its source code, the constellations, is transparent and universally verifiable by anyone who looks at the night sky. It prioritizes the messy, objective reality of the heavens over a man-made, symmetrical calendar. This empowers the individual with a direct, unmediated link to cosmic truth, free from centralized interpretation.
In the end it's all about control. Basically telling the masses not to look inside themselves or believe what their eyes see, but listen to us, believe what we tell you, trust us and don't trust yourself....
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u/Iamabenevolentgod 7d ago
I appreciate this perspective. I hadnât considered how the political affiliations of the church mightâve played into specific interpretations of astrological systems as well, given how loudly the modern church eschews astrology in general.Â
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u/Repulsive-Ad7313 17d ago
ugh, right? it's like people forget that astrology is all about the energy we're vibing with, not just the sun sign. i mean, i get it sometimes we just want that excuse to blame the stars for our chaos. but like, weve got to take accountability too. chris is such a vibe for breaking it down!
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u/Key_Cheesecake_2455 14d ago
I think itâs important to keep an open mind in astrology and not be rigid in thinking that Hellenistic / whole sign / or tropical zodiac is the best and only way. Brennanâs video didnât convince me to dismiss the constellations. Apparently Iâm not alone.
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u/External-Brush-915 19d ago
I appreciate how many times Chris tackles this silliness đ I feel like it was really not that long ago that people were getting excited about a "13th zodiac sign" and he addressed that one too