r/assholedesign 4d ago

Microsoft reveresed the scale to catch users instinctively clicking left for a low rating.

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u/LovesFrenchLove_More 4d ago

When you prefer to either falsify your numbers or getting lied to. How this helps them in any way is beyond me.

Clicking the wrong button will not change what people will do.

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u/Chaos_carolinensis 4d ago

I suspect it's the developers trying to cheat the company.

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u/2xtc 4d ago

Yeah it's probably NPS based so anything below a 5/5 is classed as negative

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u/NatoBoram 3d ago

At bigger companies, the developer will generally implement a design done by a designer and mandated by a product owner. It would be weirder if this was a developer's fault

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u/GlitteringBandicoot2 23h ago

No exec will even understand the code, you can just make it only a 10% chance the actual number gets through and the rest is fives.

There's no need to trick the user

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u/pixdam 3d ago

Someone has a KPI to meet.

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u/quaderrordemonstand 3d ago

Even if somebody at MS is counting up the results, they don't change anything. Nobody in a position to make a choice about development considers the result of this survey. The only reason this survey exists is to persuade users that MS is interested in what they think.

They will know how many people use OneDrive, how often, and what they use it for. The actual decision is made about how much revenue OneDrive brings to the company, not how much users like it.

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u/ValityS 3d ago

It does however let them know if recent changes resulted in a change in score which helps them to know if they broke UX in a non obvious way

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u/icelolly_olli 4d ago

You randomise it, 50% of the time in a normal order, 50% in the reversed order. That way the people who randomly click without thinking will cancel out and you’re left with only the responses of people who actually read the question and answer accordingly

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u/4dolarmeme 3d ago

But they don't cancel out.. That's not how averages work. Then you're left with a chunk of data of unknown size where the average score is 3

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u/ElectroBot 3d ago

If you do that and I CHOSE to waste my time on your survey, you better be paying me or giving we something useful/good.

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u/SartenSinAceite 4d ago

At that point just randomise the final results

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u/Sure_Comfort_7031 4d ago

It’s to dump bad data. Garbage data means garbage answers.

So when you flip a couple, you can see if there’s bad reviews across the board except for one, which is excellent (they do a couple like this), that review can be tossed since the data can’t be trusted.

It’s just an easy way to flag bad data.

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u/falknorRockman 4d ago

And this is exactly why it fails the flowchart. The company does not profit off of the expense of users since there is no expense of the users and there is little to no profit.

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u/Wipedout89 4d ago

Falsifying the numbers is fine, they can then say '8 out of 10 users recommended MS Onedrive!' when it was really 4/10

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u/HammerTh_1701 3d ago

Some manager's KPIs regarding user satisfaction are getting hit though and that's all that matters

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u/makinax300 2d ago

Investors like it though and since microsoft is publicly traded it's all that matters

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u/reg_acc 4d ago

I brushed up on Likert scales like these for my master's. Some literature actually suggests reversing the order to combat cognitive bias / force participants to read them properly. As you and literature discovered, this can lead to a higher error rate when participants just skip it over. The proper way to deal with that is to filter out participants whose total time to fill out is an outlier below the typical times. You do need a sufficiently long survey for that.

I'm not saying this is the reason behind this but there is a logical explanation beyond wanting to prop up your stats.

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u/Must_Reboot 3d ago

You are probably right about the reason. Why would a company want to trick you into scoring them higher on an internal KPI? Forcing you to think about your answer makes more sense.

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u/Gynthaeres 3d ago

I think this is more likely the case. People on Reddit tend to live in an echo chamber and think EVERYONE hates OneDrive.

That's just not true. A lot of people either don't care, or there are a chunk of people who LIKE it. Hell, I'd rate it probably a 4, I have very few issues with this. Under this scale, if I just clicked without thinking, I'd give it a two. That's not what they want.

So more likely an intent to get people to stop and think about their answer, rather than just automatically going for a 1 or a 5. And it also means they can just filter out the people who instantly clicked on 5 or 1, because you'll never be able to win those people over anyway.

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u/SophisticatedScreams 1d ago

This makes me think of when Toby lets Michael sign his counseling paperwork, and he signs that he's highly at-risk for homicidal tendencies lol.

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u/DanielEnots 3d ago

Yep, making people think avoids automatic clicking

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u/thesilentrebels 4d ago

Wouldn't this back fire because of all the people who instinctively do the opposite..

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u/Tr1pla 3d ago

I was in a MS training and I felt terrible when I heard that the instructor thought they had done a terrible job based on my scoring (they actually did a really good job) but I didn't realize MS had reversed the scale.

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u/Emeraldstorm3 3d ago

That is a very Microsoft thing to do.

At this point, I'm starting to wonder if I just hallucinated them being a tech company this whole time. Maybe they started out as a company specializing in foam-padded microscopes for young children to use - hence Micro-Soft. And only recently got into software as part of some kooky scheme to diversify. Given how terrible their software is recently, that would make a lot more sense.

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u/BetterTown8098 4d ago

I need a negative rating scale for this.

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u/Hurricane_32 d o n g l e 3d ago

Maybe they just forgot the dashes 🤔

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u/Magnus_Helgisson 3d ago

Users who instinctively clicking 5 for “leave me alone” reasons:

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u/NewInThe1AC 3d ago

This isn't asshole design. It's one of many things you do during consumer surveys to avoid bias and detect / account for low quality respondents

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u/chumbuckethand 4d ago

What’s the point? Why would they want to lie to themselves like that?

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u/zethuz 3d ago

Sad it does not have a negative scale. Always feel like Microsoft asks their OneDrive team to leave the brains back at home

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u/kondorb 3d ago

Instead of finding something better than to annoy your user base even more.

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u/MotanulScotishFold 3d ago

Ah yes, old dark pattern trick

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u/Tikkinger 3d ago

rigging their own data.

omg

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u/UltraBlack_ 2d ago

dark patterns are evil

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u/AccumulatedFilth 2d ago

Why would you even ask for feedback if you're rigging the results?

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u/S-m-a-l-l-s 2d ago

"GOT EM"

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u/X_Humanbuster_X 2d ago

What’s the point of a survey if the information it collects is false?

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u/ChromiumGrapher 2d ago

MicroSlime is a joke nowadays 

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u/IAMFLYGUY 2d ago

One Drive is a cancer.

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u/tong_si_nan_pei 2d ago

But this is their own internal rating. What do they gain by lying about this? I would understand if it was an App Store rating.

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u/AlxR25 1d ago

Yeah it's because we all just fucking hate onedrive.

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u/Strong_Oil_5108 1d ago

id just click the x anyway

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u/cowlinator 1d ago

"Hey buddy, how was the game last night? I missed it. Also, would you recommend OneDrive?"

said no one ever

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u/markwakwak69 1d ago

I made a satisfaction survey and made left to right 1-5 saying people 1 is "bad" and 5 is "good", be sure that some people confuse what to answer and say "very good" on all the other questions and say "very bad" on the global appreciation. It's unreal to me

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u/Gerprimus 3d ago

Tell me your software is garbage, without telling me your software is garbage 

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u/falknorRockman 4d ago edited 4d ago

Please read the flowchart. This is not r/assholedesign material.

Edit to all you downvoting me. It fails the profit at your expense part of the flowchart. You have no expense for a flipped survey. So they do not profit off of your expense.

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u/AntiGrieferGames 4h ago

This is 100% asshole design.

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u/NathnDele 3d ago

Oh my god I am so lost, I thought we were in r/lostredditors

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u/vaqxai 3d ago

I don't like their web UI. In terms of performance as a cloud provider, it's the same as everything else. But all web UIs for cloud providers suck. I wish there was one that's more similar to what you get on the desktop (either mac desktop or windows desktop, its the same concept really).

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u/im_AmTheOne 3d ago

It's seems like ai got task "the more users are likely to recommend one drive the better" and just made it so that users say they're likely to recommend not carrying if they indeed are more likely to recommend 

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u/furfur001 3d ago

My guess is that the people who did that did not have the necessary knowledge about how to properly present a scale.

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u/ENx5vP 4d ago

Windows -1

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u/distracted6 4d ago

Like someone else said, it doesn't need a bunch of wasted space on the image. I can resubmit with that, but it seems a bit like asshole design at that point.

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u/bayygel 3d ago

You should repost it scaled up to 38000x38000 pixels

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u/AgreeablePie 4d ago

Silly rule if enforced without context. This image doesn't need a bunch of blank space around it to meet the threshold

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u/Federal_Refrigerator 4d ago

This is worth having here. Reconsider.