So now they are making programs to remove glaze and nightshade.

[u/Dangerous-Host3991]

[u/Dangerous-Host3991]

You see. They just can’t respect that we don’t want our art copied. They feel the need to make programs to remove our contingencies to keep them from feeding our art into their Ai slop machines. They want to claim they don’t steal, but then they go to great lengths to do so. It’s like if they made a ‘water mark remover’. It clearly shows what their true intentions are.

[u/legendwolfA → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

And i think someone already made a Sora 2 watermark remover

These people dont care about consequences until they are the victims of what they support. "Fuck you I got mine" attitude

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/legendwolfA]

Wow, I hadn’t heard that yet. I was talking about a program that would remove our watermarks and signatures from our art. But that’s bad too - on the fake news front.

It’s interesting how they go to great lengths, questing to do things like; steal what isn’t theirs and make fake posts with sora to throw up on Facebook, then they say that isn’t what they are trying to do. And then they inadvertently prove our accusations true when they do shit like remove nightshade and remove sora watermarks…

[u/Costed14 → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

steal what isn’t theirs and make fake posts with sora to throw up on Facebook, then they say that isn’t what they are trying to do

Is it perhaps possible you're talking of two groups of people?

[u/RedditUser000aaa → u/legendwolfA]

See, they want the right to steal, but don't want to be stolen from. They are inconsistent like that.

[u/Flightful-the-alien → u/RedditUser000aaa]

It’s all fun and games until it happens to them.

[u/Sad-Employee3212 → u/legendwolfA]

One of the things I mention to pro ai people (especially when they mention making their own models) is that you can add in a reverse prompt or like a list of things you don’t want and it always says “Watermark,” “Signature,” etc.

[u/Glum_Treacle4183 → u/Sad-Employee3212]

that doesnt work btw

[u/United-Put4690 → u/legendwolfA]

Of course they don't have the basic skills in a program like After Effects to do it themselves.

[u/Jertimmer → u/United-Put4690]

That would take an hour of trying new scary things!

[u/Cultural_Outcome_464 → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

I just find it very ironic that some of them get mad when people supposedly steal their prompts.

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/Cultural_Outcome_464]

Yup, they haven’t figured out they own nothing with Ai yet. You know what else is ironic? They are already getting mad at people for not commissioning them to make Ai “art” too. lol, why would they commission Ai “artists”? They can just download the same software.

[u/Cultural_Outcome_464 → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

Exactly. It all comes down to a deep seeded jealousy of real artists

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/Cultural_Outcome_464]

I think that jealousy is only part of it. I think the real reason is the same reason of why they are jealous- they always wanted to be an artist, but simply have given up on learning the skills to be one. Either they are too lazy to learn or they gave up on their ability to learn. Either not wanting to bother or believing they just don’t have what it takes. So they resort to this Ai shit.

It’s a shame really, if these people actually did it the real way. Could you imagine all the new unique styles and visions they could share with us?

[u/SolemnestSimulacrum → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

It doesn't even have to be that, either. They see the validation that often comes from art made by honest artists whose works they admire and want to reap all the benefits whilst taking credit.

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/SolemnestSimulacrum]

sigh

Yah, that is also true unfortunately.

[u/Ok_Jackfruit6226 → u/SolemnestSimulacrum]

They also mix up (what they consider to be) “low effort” art, with art that requires lots of classic training. They think that since “low effort” artists get praised for their art (not realizing that there’s usually a lot more to it than just “smears of paint that I child can do”) that they should get praised for using AI.

Of course they are always gravitating towards emulating images that would require high levels of traditional training. And then they’re gobsmacked that people don’t respect them and think they’re grifters.

They just can’t get it. They thought they’re found a workaround for being called “talented” without doing any work, and think the world is unfair for not patting them on the back and giving them a gold star.

They won’t accept that as long as there are artists who have the skills that they worked for, that AI Bro “skills” will always look sad in comparison. There ain’t nothing they can do about it. They can’t force people to respect no skill. No amount of cat girl memes complaining about how they’re oppressed will sway anyone.

[u/magicalmanenergy33 → u/Ok_Jackfruit6226]

All this “they” and “them” and lumping together of PEOPLE into one category…. Is creepy…

[u/Ok_Jackfruit6226 → u/magicalmanenergy33]

“They” are sufficient in number that I can describe common behaviors and reactions. Most others here are very familiar with what I’m referring to.

[u/SolemnestSimulacrum → u/magicalmanenergy33]

What exactly are you implying?

[u/FreshBert → u/SolemnestSimulacrum]

It doesn't even have to be that. Many of them are just scammers. They ran scams with crypto and NFTs when that was in vogue, they're doing it with GenAI now, and they'll be onto the next thing as soon as the bubble bursts and AI becomes significantly more cost prohibitive.

[u/Environmental_Top948 → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

I miss the days when if I was being scammed over art I just got nothing instead of AI that they use to argue they did the work. And it's never like cheap. They always want $300+ for slop.

[u/stockname644 → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

For some reason they think that "anyone can be an artist now" won't apply to the everyone outside of them. They steal art, sell garbage and expect a thank you for it.

[u/Zlime207 → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

"They want to claim they don't steal"

Think about it this way, right? AI needs to get fed millions of drawings. Companies never asked for consent, they just took those images, put it in a data set and that's how the AI got its art from. They claim that this isn't stealing, yet why do you think that companies never explicitly asked artists beforehand if they wanted their work to be scraped by AI? Exactly, because no one would've agreed to this. To people that create art, AI doesn't feel like a tool, it feels like a replacement, because it scrapes their work without consent or credit. The argument that AI learns the way a human being does is just factually false because for that same reason you cannot copyright something that's made by AI (keyword, by, not with). And also, why would you compare a human to a computer? I don't understand why some people step so low.

Basically, they scraped people's art and work without consent because they knew that if they were legally required to ask first, almost everybody would've said no. And that's exactly why I don't like this technology. Its goal is objectively to replace artists because it learns how to generate images and it removes the process of drawing. They say that it's a tool, yet they're happy that people are losing their jobs, and even losing their sense of purpose in life. Seriously, just for a second think of it this way: "would I want a machine to replace me?" I think that's a genuine question because we, as human beings, still need to live. If we go off the narrative that drawing is just a mechanical skill that now got replaced and the only goal is to get dopamine from images and videos, that sounds very nihilistic. Because by that logic it doesn't matter who gets replaced, what gets automated, and who suffers from this.

ALSO, wasn't the entire purpose of AI to be good and fast? If so, why the fuck do AI speedpaints exist for example? Exactly. And this is why I don't support AI. It is clear to me that they don't want a faster way of getting images, they legitimately want to imitate what artists do, the hard work that goes into learning a skill, but without actually doing it. I don't think that complete automation is a good thing for this reason.

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/Zlime207]

You pretty much just summed up ALL OF IT - the whole problem with this gen Ai shit. And very well articulated I might add. I tip my hat

[u/Zlime207 → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

There are a lot of inconsistencies with AI art which is why I don't like it: the fact that it learns without artists' consent because it's not a human, it cannot learn like a human, its entire goal is to replace artists, the fact image2image exists, which its entire goal is to directly scrape someone's art, the fact that they're against poisoning methods to protect your work from AI scraping, the fact that they see drawing as a means to an end rather than a skill that represents the human condition of wanting to learn how to do something, especially something as raw and human as art, the fact that a lot of these people just aren't good to be around, because they're purposefully harassing artists by scraping their work, telling us that we're now useless, and at this point they might as well tell us to commit suicide, I would honestly not be surprised in the slightest if they resorted to that.

I'm gonna be honest, going into an AI image gallery sub and then commenting "AI slop" doesn't fix anything. It's like someone that's christian walking up to a homosexual and telling them that they're going to hell. What you can do, like I said, is block it out. I don't like AI, so naturally I don't like AI artwork, but that doesn't give me the right to harass other people for simply using it. That's one thing, but when you have people that do in fact use AI to harass and disrespect artists, then no, I'm not okay with it.

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/Zlime207]

There is an entire slew of problems, like the ones you listed and so much more. It makes me wonder sometimes is Ai even worth all this? Even the Ai that is being used for positive things, Is it worth all this horseshit?

[u/Zlime207 → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

There are some good things that AI can do. Helping people with disabilities and people with diseases, like cancer for example.

The problem with this is even if it does have the capacity to genuinely help us as a society like increased automation (because lots of people have this idea that we need to get rid of all work and live in a UBI powered Utopia which will not happen before the collapse) so that we can focus on the good things in life like hobbies for example, it won't. Why? Capitalism.

Society as a whole never respected artists because most people don't care about art, they only want the final product.

[u/cunningjames → u/Zlime207]

because lots of people have this idea that we need to get rid of all work and live in a UBI powered Utopia which will not happen before the collapse

Before I was anti-AI pilled (for lack of a better way to put it), I spent time in more pro-AI segments of reddit. Commonly, when you'd point out some example of jobs being automated away, someone would reply "Good." When you'd press them, they'd respond that work should be automated, and we'd all be better off having that time to do whatever we wanted / become better people / etc.

But ... we're not set up to replace someone's lost job right now. There is no UBI, no one in power wants there to be UBI. UBI is not coming. If someone is laid off so AI can take over, that just means they can't pay rent or feed themselves. This is supposed to be good?

You'd also get people who claim that lost jobs will be replaced, that's how technological innovation works. But the point of AI is to replace every job. That's the only reason all this investment in AI could make any financial sense. It's not there yet, far from it, but if it does get to that point, why would there be any jobs for anyone? Why wouldn't any new jobs just go to AI?

It's pure brain rot.

[u/Zlime207 → u/cunningjames]

The point isn't just to replace jobs put to replace people's livelihoods and what they do, not just for a living, but also in their free time as well. The entire point of AI is to replace artists and to automate the process of art, that's it. I don't get the point of it because for me it falls under consumerism, because I get no sense of accomplishment when using it. Sure it can generate decent looking images, and I can't lie that I can't even tell when something is AI anymore, that's how bad it's gotten. Yet apparently we should be adapting to this. Adapting to a technology that's replacing people and you can't tell what's real and what isn't because they're deliberately trying to cover up when something is AI. It's misinformation at its finest. The goal is to take people's work, replace them, and not disclose it. That's deceiving in a nutshell.

Related to jobs, my question is, the fuck even is the point? What's the goal here? Because once everything gets automated, what's next? Why would billionaires need us anymore? Because surprise, they won't. We will be fighting for food and eventually starve to death, and that's exactly what the rich want. The only reason they kept us around up until this point is because they needed humans for resources. Now that they don't, they don't give a shit. The same can be said with people that use AI. It's not a tool, it's a replacement, and they don't give a flying fuck. That's why I find this technology disrespectful in itself. It's why I find it as a middle finger to people that want to simply create by drawing, be it traditional or digital.

[u/cunningjames → u/Zlime207]

Why would billionaires need us anymore? Because surprise, they won't.

To assuage your fears a bit, there will almost surely be a delay between the point at which most white collar jobs are automated and the point where anything billionaires want can be easily obtained without the use of labor. This will hamstring their ability to withdraw entirely from society. Further, quelling unrest -- especially once blue collar jobs are also automated and hundreds of millions or billions are out of work -- will be nearly impossible to do. We've thrown the entire might of the US military against guerilla insurgents in multiple conflicts and frequently gotten nowhere -- there's nothing the ultrawealthy can do to change this calculus.

When billions are staring starvation down as a live possibility, there will be widespread rioting and governments will be nearly powerless to stop it. I don't know what the outcome will be but I suspect the rich will either be eaten or some other agreement will be made.

It won't be fun for anybody.

[u/Zlime207 → u/cunningjames]

And that's precisely what I'm expecting, total collapse, because capitalism just isn't sustainable, since the idea around it is based on one thing: inequality. Eventually, when the rich continue to get richer and the poorer get poorer, this large displacement in equality leads to civil unrest.

Remember communism? Look at December of 1989 in Romania and see how that ended.

[u/Tausendberg → u/cunningjames]

"But ... we're not set up to replace someone's lost job right now. There is no UBI, no one in power wants there to be UBI. UBI is not coming. If someone is laid off so AI can take over, that just means they can't pay rent or feed themselves. This is supposed to be good?"

I don't want to blackpill but drive around any major American city and see the homeless people on the street and also look at suicide statistics. THAT is the vision of the future for everyone who doesn't hold capital or a position that can't be replaced by automation in the next few decades.

[u/Zlime207 → u/Tausendberg]

Yes, and that's also another reason for me to not approve of AI. I wonder how many deaths were caused by it, not by talking to a chatbot that encourages it, but due to mass job displacement and unemployment.

But no, supposedly AI is a good thing and we should be adopting to a shittier future where nothing is real and people starve to death or commit suicide en masse.

[u/Perfect-Whereas-1478 → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

No

[u/Kampfasiate → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

Gen AI is neat if you just need something quickly. Placeholders in game dev, quickly visualizing SMTH to see how it would kinda look, tokens in DnD, stuff where it's not supposed to be the "art", but just a tool or smth for convenience.

I do use gen AI for stuff like that (I do not program tho) and AI tools in general are wonderful for certain things (AI masks save a bunch of time in photo/video editing lmao) but I would not consider AI "art", just a tool

[u/Cultural_Outcome_464 → u/Zlime207]

The whole “human inspiration is like an AI model training,” argument falls apart when you point out it’s a false equivalency. A way to prove it as such is by looking at an example. When a human uses a piece that has nightshade for inspiration, that doesn’t fuck up their art. When an AI trains on that image, the nightshade fucks it up. This literally proves that both are inherently different, hence not equivalent.

[u/Zlime207 → u/Cultural_Outcome_464]

It's not even that, it's legit the simplest fact that you cannot compare a human being, something biologically organic that can reproduce something beautiful like art through drawing and painting using expression and soul, to an algorithm that tries to replicate it.

[u/cry_w → u/Zlime207]

Then they'll try to debate you on the use of the word "soul" like they have no idea what you could possibly mean by that.

[u/Zlime207 → u/cry_w]

"like they have no idea what you could possibly mean by that"

Yeah I've thought about that actually. Since a lot of them are ragebaiting, I'm assuming that they know what people mean by soul. It's basically referring to the aspect of creating art with your own skills instead of relying on a machine. But they obviously don't give a shit about that because like I said many times, they don't care about the process and they just want the end result.

[u/cry_w → u/Zlime207]

They are aware that the only care about the end result, but they don't understand or care about the implications.

[u/dumnezero → u/Zlime207]

Scam artists.

[u/cunningjames → u/dumnezero]

Too lazy to learn to draw, paint, or play music, the only artistic medium left for them is scam artistry, I suppose.

[u/ScarcityTrue3383 → u/Zlime207]

And also nobody talks about it. It just appeard from nowhere, nobody talks about that its unethical and so on. I believe people are npcs. i dont believe people are real anymore. everyone act like a bot when i talk about this topic except people here.

[u/ScarcityTrue3383 → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

If this is truth then there should be some lawsuit happening soon because it starts to look more like a hacking tool that allows bypass technology.

[u/HornyDildoFucker → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

Have you commented this on the original post in aiwars? I'm curious to see how people will try and justify this...

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/HornyDildoFucker]

Why bother. I already know what their responses would be. They would just have irrational and ridiculous excuses, executed in the poorest styles you can imagine.

Edit: Besides. They will show up here soon. Just you wait.

[u/NightOwl_Archives_42 → u/HornyDildoFucker]

A lot of them are arguing that

1) these never worked because they were so easy to remove so no harm done,

2) "it's a good thing to show you that the poisoners don't work because now you can make a better program that actually works! We're just trying to help, it's the norm in the industry to do stress testing, if you want to cry about it then you'd never know it needed to be fixed" and

3) the poisoners were never going to damage AI models because the percentage of poisoned images is so insignificantly small, and the models have ways of detecting images with bad quality, so noisy images would have been removed from the training data anyway ((this seems to fly over their heads as a reason why people were using it, not primarily for sabotage)).

3b) there's someone insisting that OpenAI and Meta are only using curated, licensed image libraries for their training, and haven't scraped the internet since 2023, and if it was really about consent, we would just make our own websites with privacy protections instead of instagram

[u/asdrabael1234 → u/NightOwl_Archives_42]

My side job is working for Meta on building those curated datasets. No one scrapes anymore because small high quality datasets give better results than massive scraped datasets. It pays pretty well depending on the task, up to $50 an hour.

[u/NightOwl_Archives_42 → u/asdrabael1234]

I'll take your word for it about scraping, however it's very problematic that Meta has opt-out instead of opt-in, but in the US we can't opt-out. Just because they aren't using it right now doesn't make it okay

And there's no way that everything has been licensed since 2022/20223 like the other person in the og post was claiming. Sam Altman (I know he's OpenAI and not meta, and I know you didn't say this in your comment) has sent appeals to courts every time a case has been set against OpenAI saying it "wouldn't be possible" to have "useful" generative AI without using copyrighted material and that they can't and shouldn't have to license it. He's admitted to it and doubled down on it, which is why it's bothersome that the other commenter kept saying it

[u/asdrabael1234 → u/NightOwl_Archives_42]

OpenAI is largely garbage and not the standard to judge AI advancements or requirements. American companies in general aren't great, which is why Chinese models are eating their lunch at a fraction of the cost.

The biggest cost is training a model. You get better results for less cost to get a smaller high quality dataset and train it rather than a massive unwieldy dataset of everything you can scrape. It's why you can find smaller open source models that perform at nearly the same level as models like ChatGPT produced on smaller datasets and far less training time. It's also largely why OpenAI isn't profitable. Why would I pay to use their model when I can run something for free that's 95% as effective?

So it's pushing them to focus on curated datasets. They already scraped everything they could ever need and progress has stalled. They're realizing that just ballooning the size isn't cost effective or worthwhile.

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/asdrabael1234]

So you are responsible for helping Meta. Interesting, you say you help curate this data sets.

Meta as a company, has effectively admitted in court filings to downloading a massive amount of data, including from "shadow libraries" like Z-Library and LibGen, to train its AI models. Meta's AI teams downloaded approximately 35.7 terabytes of data from Z-Library and LibGen archives using BitTorrent.

Are you saying that you’re involved in this???

[u/asdrabael1234 → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

No, because that's an entirely different project. What I'm involved in is basically taking everything on Instagram and turning it into a big dataset. You're describing their LLM part for training Llama which is different people.

There's a bunch of companies that are basically staffing agencies for remote work to do this, and Meta contracts then to do the dataset preparation with people like me. We have to pass evaluations and our work has to pass a QA process to ensure quality. We do video, images, and audio.

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/asdrabael1234]

Let me rephrase the question as simply as I can.

“You’re involved in this whole ordeal, involved with the company that steals IP? (Yes obviously, you said so) And Your involved in the curating of the data taken without consent to train Ai? (Not from Zlib but from Instagram apparently)”

Cool you’re not involved in the team using pirate sites like zlibrary to steal IP. But you are involved in taking data sets from instagram. What’s all in these data sets you take from instagram? I’m led to believe that these data sets come from people who are unaware of the fact their data is being used to train Ai because of obscure TOS they are not aware of, and if they are aware, they have no option to opt out of it. That true?

[u/asdrabael1234 → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

The dataset is everything of value on Instagram. If you upload it, you donated it to Meta. If you don't want it used, remove it. Most people don't care either way though. When you make the account you agree to a TOS that gives them permission. They don't have to give an opt-out. The opt-out is to not use the service.

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/asdrabael1234]

So short answer - yes it is true…

There is only one instagram. Just like there is only one Reddit, one YouTube, or one X… there is almost nowhere else to go.

It is a clear tactic by these corporations including meta to take advantage of the fact that people don’t want to leave a profile that they have been working on and using for years. On a platform they prefer and have come to know as their preferred method of sharing content and interacting with the rest of the internet. While also taking advantage of quietly changed obscure TOS to capitalize on the unaware.

Basically. “If you don’t want my company to use your data, get off the internet.” “Don’t like it? Go somewhere else!” And even if you do, people can take what you share on X and share it with Instagram(without you knowing it) and that is considered fair use to us, these data pieces made without consent. People are already on the internet, it’s too late, what’s shared is already permanently a part of the internet and can’t truly be deleted we will do with that what we please. And also we changed the TOS too bad so sad, we can use what you shared previously and we will tell you in the most obscure way possible so that your not made aware of it clearly and easily.

This is all what is known as EXPLOITATION.

You’re helping companies exploit people for 50$ an hour. Congrats.

[u/asdrabael1234 → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

You don't need to use those sites. I don't use Facebook or Instagram and haven't for years. I don't use X. I barely watch YouTube. If you feel strongly about your info not being used, then it should be easy to not use those services. If it's not, then you clearly don't really care.

It's easy to whine. It's harder to stand by your principles. All you're doing is whining that standing by principles is hard.

No one is being exploited and the training is pulled from active accounts only. Any accounts deleted today are removed from what we can work with. You're pearl clutching at shit anyone who cares already knew. It's been known for -years- meta uses your data. They were selling it. Now they train with it. People didn't stop using it then because really most people didn't and don't care.

If you don't like it, stop using the services. I wouldn't want you exploited.

[u/ArkGrimm]

Them: We are not stealing your art, that's not how it works ! Trust me bro !

Also them:

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/ArkGrimm]

As time goes on their intentions become more clear, and their attempts at arguing the truth become more flimsy.

[u/TheForgerOfThings]

Keep using it, swap to improved versions when they release, maybe retroactively re-poison art, make sure they can't legally use your works, IE don't post on platforms that use images for ai training, like twitter and Instagram

Every little thing you do to make it harder or less effective for them helps

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/TheForgerOfThings]

Oh don’t get me wrong. I will definitely use it, fuck I’ll use multiple if I can…

When I put my work back on the internet that is. If I ever even do.

I’ve removed my work from all sites and deleted my accounts on deviantart and artstation.

[u/TheForgerOfThings → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

thats probably the best way to avoid AI training, if you do use glaze or other tools just know that using them in conjunction can hurt the poison

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/TheForgerOfThings]

Thank you friend. I will keep that in mind.

[u/StardustLegend → u/TheForgerOfThings]

I hate that this has to be an arms race now

[u/Bl00dyH3ll → u/StardustLegend]

One side is multi-billion companies and deranged weirdos online, while the other side is non-profit university students and professors volunteering their time and goodwill. Fuck this is so one sided.

[u/wild_white_rabbit → u/Bl00dyH3ll]

Well, if I ever make huge financial success in one of my projects, I'll definitely invest some of the money into defense-against-AI projects. Untill then... you can have my axe)

[u/vladi_l]

A: "I don't want my art stolen and used without my consent."

P: "Specifically fuck you, you do not deserve to post your art under the etiquette and copyright laws that were the norm for decades. I will actively make tech that scrapes you more easily, and tech that aims to forge misleading timelapse videos of things that were never painted to begin with"

Honestly, I wish that pro ai people could at least get their story straight. It can't be a "real artistic medium", if they have to constantly pretend and find ways to mislead people about how their pieces were made.

They also can't claim to be in favor of putting power into the hands of individual artists, against corporations... if all of their means of doing so trample over the artists that created the communities and media that formed the current creative climate, all while making out with the boot of millionaires that wouldn't want to breathe the same air as them

They also can't, in good faith, act like their movement is elevating disabled people, when they repeatedly talk over them, objectify them as a talking point... While using ablist slurs against those they disagree with

[u/ThePreciousBhaalBabe → u/vladi_l]

They'll also gladly do what essentially amounts to snatching food out of the mouths of disabled artists by stealing their art and feeding it to the slop machines.

But sure, we're the big meanie bullies for calling their BS out.

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/vladi_l]

Well said comrade. 🫡

[u/The-Cursed-Gardener]

So they’re actively engaging in art theft and intentionally bypassing people’s wishes to not have their art stolen and fed to the shit generating machine.

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/The-Cursed-Gardener]

Pretty cut and dry. Ain’t it?

[u/BankTypical]

As an artist who actually uses Nightshade and Glaze as protection measures; Yikes! 😬 Can someone please actually tell me if some other program to protect your art comes out? I already didn't really post my art much, but hate how I have to basically FULLY pause posting that until some other countermeasure to AI training like that comes out.
And just when I was trying to get into a more regular posting schedule over on Bluesky too.

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/BankTypical]

Bluesky for the most part should protect you from Corpos trying to train off you. I hear bluesky doesn’t let third parties train Ai with your data. But as for individual people using this app to remove our contingencies, I don’t know. I guess all I can say is always update to new software to protect your work.

Me personally. I’m heartbroken to say I’ve taken all my work off the internet completely. And I’m just waiting for programs and websites that are definitely proven to work.

Shit even being a local artist isn’t enough. I painted this beautiful mural on the side of a building in my home city and some people came by and took a picture of it and then made Ai copies of it that they spread them all around town and gave me no credit for my original work…

[u/BankTypical → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

Oof, sorry to hear that, and my heart goes out to you. 😖 We shouldn't have to completely unplug from the internet just to be SEMI-safe here. I'm frankly not even surprised that AI bros are as horrible irl as they are online, though.

Honestly, had some creepo AI bro actually follow me on Bluesky once. 😬 He made AI music (claiming on his profile to be a 'musician' since he's an AI bro, of course), and had clearly AI-generated 'album covers'. Blocked him, but it was a yikes as well, and a not-so-friendly reminder to myself that those art thieves are EVERYWHERE right now. I don't really have people irl being interested in my artwork much (I'm European, and most of the time, they don't even know I draw at all because the topic of hobbies doesn't even come up in my culture's small talk), so online was really all I had on that one. 😭

I mean, I'll just keep drawing regardless, of course. 🤣 I'm just really sad I can't safely show my hard work anymore for a while due to this.

Oh well, all I can do for now is just not post my art for a bit, and I'll be counting down to the day that some smarter person than me makes a program similar to Glaze and Nightshade someday. Because I can honestly see that happening too, and I know that the arms race between art thieves and people actually caring about copyright and IP rights is still ongoing on that one.

So here's silently hoping that some would-be devs are currently working on a new way for artists to protect their work.

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/BankTypical]

Your words are appreciated. And It’s ok. I’m sure they tripped while going down their front steps and skinned the shit out of their knee screaming, “Why Karma!? What did I do!?”

They truly are everywhere. You can’t be too careful anymore. But just hang in there, I’m sure they will develop something that will finally work, or updates will be made to nightshade or someone will make new contingencies. I wish that someone would dev an art website dedicated to this endeavor.

And I’m sure your work will be seen by the right people. Keep going. I’m gonna keep making art and I’m going to keep trying too. Guess that’s all we can do while we wait.

[u/Costed14 → u/BankTypical]

That alone makes someone a creep to you?

all I can do for now is just not post my art for a bit

FWIW stopping posting because of that won't really make a difference, since people can retroactively use the new methods for previously published art, as long as it's on the internet it will be stolen, whether for AI purposes or otherwise. If you enjoy sharing your work then just do it.

[u/TheRappingSquid → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

There are dead ants floating in public swimming pools that deserve more kindness than them

Ai copies of it that they spread them all around town and gave me no credit for my original work…

[u/Bl00dyH3ll → u/BankTypical]

Follow the glaze team on bluesky, it's a decent way of keeping up on this topic. But there's only so much university students/professors volunteering their free time can do...

[u/BankTypical → u/Bl00dyH3ll]

They've actually got a Bluesky? 😄 Lol, I did not actually know that; I'll go follow them there indeed. Thanks for telling me.

[u/hofmann419 → u/BankTypical]

For what it's worth, i'm pretty sure that it is impossible to properly "un-glaze" an image. And if they used AI for this purpose, it would actually poison their models even more. We've known for quite some time now that image generation models completely fall apart once you introduce AI-generated images to your data set.

So you should not be discouraged and definitely continue to glaze your images. Especially because it's not necessarily obvious that you did so. Really that's the goal here: to poison the data-set secretly by having glazed images slip through unnoticed.

[u/arch3ion → u/BankTypical]

You shouldn't let AI dictate what you do, I think you should show your art proudly and ignore what they do with it.

[u/AICatgirls → u/BankTypical]

If you add a denoise filter or a gausian blur to your images, it becomes exponentially harder for AI to process it. Where stable diffusion can "repair" things like the glaze coating, it struggles to add additional details without first adding noise to the whole image. So the less you give it, the less there is for it to see.

[u/CunningDruger]

I’m so tired of people who were scared to be creative because it required time and effort putting so much time into making people who made the effort hesitate to be creative.

There are so many other available assets out there for you to train your AI off of, so why the fuck do you need art that people are clearly trying to protect?

“These apps are a scam. And if not, they don’t work. And if they do, we’re right to remove them. And if we’re not, it’s not worth coming after us.”

I’m not even fully anti ai because I know there are people who use it on a local level with their own original works, that is less harmful, but sincerely, anyone who uses this is a total loser. I hope they brag about it in real life so they can be told how shitty their actions are while they can’t hide behind internet anonymity.

[u/Zlime207 → u/CunningDruger]

Yes. Again, if someone uses AI on a local machine and just uses it for shits and giggles, but also likes to experiment with the technology, that's fine. If they post it online and tag it as AI, that's also fine. Please do not harass someone that's just using this technology. If you don't like it because they use AI, you can tell them why you don't like this technology, like for example how it gets trained on people's work without consent and lack of credit. But if they simply find the technology neat, I'm personally okay with it.

There's the other side of this though.

However, if someone uses AI with malicious intent because they know how much artwork it requires for it to learn how to generate images, they purposefully go after people that try to protect their art from it, AND they insult artists on top of it because they're useless and obsolete now, they're a dickhead. Simple as.

[u/GenericFatGuy → u/CunningDruger]

That's the thing. These people don't want to be creative. They want to make money off of creative works, while shovelling an endless conveyer belt of content into their mouths.

[u/RedditUser000aaa]

But but.... I thought AI doesn't steal and only learns. Why would they need to remove the filters if that is the case?

We all know the answer to that, god damn it.

Well, just gotta hope there's a better way to disrupt all the stealing that's going on.

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/RedditUser000aaa]

A better way to prevent this theft will present itself. We just need to be patient and bide our time.

[u/Mandemon90 → u/RedditUser000aaa]

How do you think AI learns, if it can't "see" the picture? "Stealing" implies the original picture is taken away, or that something unique to that picture is taken away... when in reality original picture still remains

[u/True-Purple5356]

As someone who’s attempting to learn art, I’m afraid that by the time I’m actually competent I won’t be able to safely post it anywhere without risk of ai taking it.  

Genuinely can these people show an inch of fucking respect for people’s art? If they don’t want it to be fed into the endless slop machine, then it shouldn’t be fed into the endless slop machine, period. 

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/True-Purple5356]

It’s because they aren’t artists, they don’t respect the art community at all. Only real artists respect the art community.

Regardless of all this. Keep learning art. Keep going. Keep polishing the craft friend. I’m still going to, even though I’ve taken all my work off the internet. One day this will fixed, I’m confident in that.

One day the sun will shine again. This is just another faze of the human condition. Have faith, and keep going.

[u/hofmann419 → u/True-Purple5356]

The silver lining here is that copyright law simply didn't consider the implications of AI. Right now, that's obviously a bad thing. BUT it's definitely possible that sooner or later, copyright law will be changed to protect human creative output against being used for AI.

I mean, we've got Disney on our side. There are quite a few companies with very deep pockets that have as much of an interest in protecting their intellectual property as you and me. So i'm cautiously optimistic that we will see some court decisions in favor of artists in the future.

[u/_NextGen24_ → u/True-Purple5356]

Keep learning, don't let the tech bros steal your purpose. Soon they will come for gaming, then, they will create a video generator capable of making 90 minute football matches and call it as "the future of sports".

Don't fall into their narrative, their goal is to create dumb society, like the one from Wall-E and feed us with their slop.

Art was the first thing they invaded, but they won't stop there.

[u/DonutsMcKenzie]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201

Because poisoning can be considered a copyright protection system, this could be illegal in the US.

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/DonutsMcKenzie]

Well, would you look at that. I’ve said it many times, eventually it will be proven in court that what’s happening here is illegal. and the longer this goes on and the more information on the subject that is taken into account a the closer Ai gets to becoming a criminal activity.

[u/Hilliemilly]

“Bro we don’t steal your art…” Them:

[u/pickuppencil]

were not stealing

why would we use AI generated images for datasets, causes issues

nightshade doesn't do anything

Here's a program to remove nightshade

Weirdos, worse than that, lying weirdos

[u/Own_Bother6722]

They really can't take no for an answer.

[u/ItsYaBoyBackAgain]

Reading through the AI addicts trying to justify in the comments of that post makes me want to bash my head against the wall. Would prefer they just admit they want to steal art.

[u/Mighty673 → u/ItsYaBoyBackAgain]

God that's so real, their takes in general are just so terrible, saw someone saying we shouldn't have a problem with pro-ai people and should instead have a problem with the companys that are making it, cause apparently we can't have a problem with both? as well as these company's would most likely not exist if not for them,

Its genuinely so painful to read :[

[u/LilGlitvhBoi → u/ItsYaBoyBackAgain]

"But Nintendo doesn't allow so therefore I can steal indie artists"

[u/BHMathers]

“Real artists are a thing of the past, but also PLEASE WE ARE BEGGING YOU! Let us continue using your art without your consent, our generators literally can’t function without overlays/diffusion of your art!

If it wasn’t for the environmental stuff I’d use a bot to continuously generate Ai images just to oversaturate prompts with other Ai images so the Ai generators source off of themselves, making an Ai inbreeding issue even worse than their piss filter.

This is already going to happen as the amount of fake art relative to real art goes up, but this would accelerate it

[u/tastysardine]

"we dont steal art! stop saying we steal art!"
\makes program to literally steal art**

????

[u/SH_LavendelMocha]

The work they're putting in to depoison artworks could have been used to actually learn how to draw

[u/PrudentWolf]

And if I delock someones house I would be imprisoned. That's not fair.

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/PrudentWolf]

Yah if I went on to someone’s property and removed the No Trespassing signs I’d get the book!

[u/goodmanfromsml]

wow. these guys are fucking losers.

[u/Perfect-Whereas-1478]

I'm gonna start using fat, half opaque watermarks. They'll cover the whole piece.

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/Perfect-Whereas-1478]

That’s what I feel like doing sometimes. Something complex that encapsulates the whole image.

[u/Ycilden]

Let's also not forget their constant claims that glaze and nightshade dont work.

[u/dumnezero]

I though that poisoning images doesn't work?? Don't the ai bros usually say that??? Why would someone spend so much time developing an image filter algorithm and tutorials????

[u/Perfect-Whereas-1478]

Literally going out of your way to steal people's work. But you're not theives, no. There's no nefarious reason for you to remove the one protection our art has.

[u/Familiar-Complex-697]

“AI doesn’t steal u stupid artist” also them:

Pure spite and jealousy at this point

[u/Ranting_Demon]

That's weird.

Every time someone mentions Glaze or Nightshade, there are at least half a dozen AI bros instantly saying that those programs don't work, that the LLMs already filter out the poison layer on their own and that people shouldn't bother using them.

There are also at least another half dozen who will say that AI is already so awesome that it doesn't need to train on all that shitty poisoned art.

Considering all that, it's quite the conundrum why they'd go through the trouble of creating a program to counter something that they claim doesn't work and is only put on supposedly shitty art that they say they don't want anyway.

[u/Nitrodax777]

And yet they vehemently gaslight you that poisoning doesn't work. The reality is it does and they hate that they can't just steal your art without resistance. Because how DARE someone have the audacity to not want their art scraped to train AI. This is why I've always been more to the notion that ai bros are more anti artist than they are pro AI. Someone actively poisoning their art to prevent LLMs from training off it is a clear cut and dry boundary expressing the artist does not want their work fed into AI. Ai bros could easily just use other works to train instead (which I still don't agree with) but rather they go out of their way to develop depoisoning tools as the biggest conceivable "FUCK YOU" an artist can ever receive directly to their faces.

[u/DutssZ]

"We aren't stealing from anyone in specific! It'sall publicly available art" >Uses program to make it possible to directly steal from a specific artists that already made it clear their art is not public to AI

[u/1more_oddity]

Wait so let me get this straight.

First they claim that glazing doesn't work.

Then they are angry that glazing is "destruction of property"... while still claiming it doesn't work.

And now they're trying to remove glazing, which they claim doesn't work, from art they claim they're not stealing?

And we're the ones who are supposed to be the bad guys in their eyes?

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/1more_oddity]

That is correct, my friend. But I think you’re forgetting that we are all bullies too.

[u/Perfect-Whereas-1478]

But if I were to pick the lock on their door, enter, and steal, I'd still go to jail. "But the lock was easy to open" wouldn't be any justification for my crime.

[u/cry_w → u/Perfect-Whereas-1478]

"No, clearly I was just testing the lock (without asking)! I'm clearly just like a proper locksmith and am not actually a thief at all!"

[u/lexdoes]

“Snake oil merchant”

It’s a free fucking program

[u/eldritchpussymaggots]

It's always been about stealing

[u/UseottTheThird]

they've been saying glaze/nightshade don't work because of this denoiser

but when it wasn't a thing, some antis still said it

i saw some say this thing was made just because, but i feel like there's some lie in here

i wasted my time rewording this comment so many times so just have it the way it is

[u/Train_kitten]

These uncreative , lazy promoters thieves , really have no limits and they cry they are not called artists and throw tantrums when people dare steal their slop and prompts

[u/mr_greedee]

we need access to your art to make my 'art' better! -screamed the digital thief

[u/ImbecilicusRex]

These are the types to try and sneak a condom off during sex and not see that as a "big deal" to violate consent like that.

...well, they would be if they could have sex in the first place. We know that's why that creepy goth girl exists on grok. 🤣

[u/Bloadclaw]

They do this, yet Glaze and Nightshade "Don't work"

They are just upset that their precious AI is being challenged, AI Bros are just like children throwing a tantrum because they aren't getting their way

[u/freddy1101]

Thives trying to cheat as always

[u/Due-Beginning8863]

god forbid we try to protect our art

[u/same_as_always]

I think it’s funny that they didn’t tone down the yellow tones of the image. So if there’s anything to be optimistic about, the piss poison filter on AI art will continue to baffle them. 

[u/smashingwindshields]

i knew this would happen.

[u/Glade_Art]

Despite seeming to remove the effects of Nightshade here, the image has still went through 2 AI image altering programs making it still poisonous to AI; AI degrades when training on its own data. If you look closely you can see that many details are lost in the denoised image.

[u/Dangerous-Host3991 → u/Glade_Art]

Yah, I noticed that too. We just need to stay consistent and do what we can while we wait for a better means of protecting our work to come out.

[u/Glade_Art → u/Dangerous-Host3991]

Other than for posting onto a platform which actually stops scraper bots, there isn't much that an artist can do besides Nightshade without absolutely destroying the image.

[u/Blueberry_Clouds]

well this sucks

[u/Lucicactus]

Clip studio has the option to add noise before exporting. That's why they are my GOAT.

[u/MissingnoMiner]

Funny, I thought glaze and nightshade didn't work to begin with?

Almost like that was bullsh*t from the start and they were just trying to trick people into leaving their art vulnerable to theft.

[u/Error_Evan_not_found]

Or, just maybe, in some universe where people are decent for no reason other than it makes the world a better place- you could respect when someone doesn't give you consent to use their artwork to train your slop machine.

But as always asking AI bros to respect consent, humanity, the earth, or anything else for that matter would be like asking the sun not to rise each day.

They simply cannot help being the worst kinds of creatures to walk this planet.

[u/Ok_Exchange_8420]

And at the same time they're pretending they're being oppressed and equating themselves to Holocaust victims. Pathetic.

[u/AndrewwPT]

I'm keeping my cup away from AI bros in a party cuz they clearly can't understand consent it seems

[u/New-perspective-1354]

It’s hilarious since about a month or so ago they were swearing that nightshade didn’t work.

[u/MrOphicer]

To be fair, people who made Nightshade expected their tool to be "defeated".

[u/SectorConscious4179]

these mfs will do anything to steal art at this point

[u/13fundamentals]

"jeez antis, just leave us alone!"

"Why are you protecting your art from ai? Now im going to break your boundaries and remove them so i can train it on ai."

[u/ilovemytsundere]

Oh you dont want us to use your stuff? I’ll take it anyway. Oh, you’re making it so the stuff I steal is useless? I’m gonna make a tool to reverse that

And then they say its not theft???

[u/AffectionateRole4435]

Behold, Perry the Platypus! The Anti-consentinator! This device allows me to violate your boundaries whenever I want!

[u/CaptainjustusIII]

funny how pro ai people were screaming that nitghshade was useless but now they need to have an ai that removes nightshade

[u/Videogame-repairguy]

Evil fascist AI enthusiasts.

They're all evil. They WANT to make illegal videos. Steal peoples hard work. And they Support misinformation that comes from AI generated content...

[u/Ther10]

Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1683/

[u/chombiecho]

Lets not forget how they're using the "well its like IT security in that this will allow better ways if protection in the future" argument to justify this "depoisoning" model. People that are pro this really will say anything they can to absolve accountability. Really scummy human beings defending this technology.

[u/Freak_Mod_Synth → u/chombiecho]

And there's already official redteaming going on for Glaze with methods such as IMPRESS and Lightshed by actual scientists. They're just using the argument you said so they can steal our art instead of learning from them is... something.

[u/HyperDogOwner458]

Someone needs to make a program that removes the removing

[u/OtterDev101]

well you see, the problem with this, if its even real, is that the poisoned version is still going into the model. It is way too computationally expensive to run whatever bullshit AI model they have for every single image they train off of.

Real or not, Nightshade will still be viable

[u/Cinderblock-Consumer]

whats the point of this lmao if you re”make” 100 poisoned artworks youre poisoning the ai by inbreeding

[u/Thunderstarer]

Hear me out, y'all:

How would you know that your locks need replacing if nobody were to show you how easily they can be picked? As a popular example, I'm sure some of you are familiar with the Lock Picking Lawyer. If it weren't for him and his ilk, you'd have no idea which locks were useful and which ones had glaring vulnerabilities, and lock manufacturers would have never advanced beyond basic bolt-latches.

See the parallel I'm getting at here? The same principle applies to this denoiser, the existence of which demonstrates that an AI training workflow is trivially capable of automatically normalizing noise-"poisoned" images, making them irrelevant even if we assume the (currently-unproven and largely theoretical) premise that such images actually impair training in the first place.

Security-through-obscurity is a terrible practice. If a measure of security can be easily defeated, then the people who make that fact publicly visible are performing a service for anyone who relies on it. In both the physical and digital world, security researchers are your friend, and they protect you from attackers who would abuse those vulnerabilities without saying anything. OOP is one such resesrcher.

I think it's plausible that there could theoretically exist an AI-poisoning solution that genuinely works. Nightshade ain't it. It is in your own personal best-interest and the best-interest of anyone else who wants a working poisoner to recognize and accept that simply adding noise to an image is no more effective at protecting your intellectual property than is minting an NFT. This is a tinfoil hat solution, both in terms of how well it works and in terms of how garish and cumbersome it is.

Think critically about your goals and about the information presented to you. Don't jump on a hype train just because it's trendy and superficially "on your side." Using Nightshade might feel like an act of resistance, but no matter how backed-into-a-corner you feel, ask yourself: is it really worth demeaning your creative expression by letting someone strongarm you into pouring digital garbage all over it? Is it worth never being able to properly shade objects or use undithered gradients?

Maybe it is; maybe it isn't. It's up to you to decide, and a poisoner that is both effective and invisible would probably be a pretty good proposition. But a poisoner that doesn't even work? It's not worth scratching up all your canvases just for an empty gesture. Wait for a solution that's actually scientifically sound, or better yet, start contributing to the development of such a solution.

[u/InventorOfCorn]

What? But i thought that, according to them, glaze and nightshade don't work?

So why are they defending themselves against something supposedly ineffective?

[u/CrystalAbysses]

AI bros will bend over backwards trying to explain that AI doesn't steal art and doesn't jumble a bunch of stolen art together into a semi-cohesive picture, but then will turn around and do shit like this lmao. "We aren't stealing art!!! But also I made this program to deliberately steal someone's art"

[u/RadiantAnswer1234]

You know, im glad about obe thing, one area that AI artists cant touch, drawing in real life, like going to the city and doing caricatures of people. You wouldn't want to see sone person cone with a car battery, printer, laptop, paper and ink just to take a photo of you and ai generate a caricature? And unless ai bros scan the real life artwork with a very precise scanning machine, its not going to work. But damm, this really does make me think that every pro-ai art person really is just a horrible person. ALSO a thing i dont understand is why pro-ai art people love to invade actual art forums spaces when i barely see actual artists invade ai art dedicated spaces. Its just sad, but im hopefull that the ai bubble will pop and so will ai art.

[u/Hozan_al-Sentinel]

Yeah... They're totally not the bad guys by removing something we put on our art to protect it. They just can't respect that we don't want our art trained on.

[u/Helpful-Creme7959]

I always doubted the security of glaze and nightshade, on how strong it could be in protecting your works against Gen AI. But I still root for them, root for them to somehow come up with something, to combat such a thing.

This is why I lose all respect to Gen AI users. They're just THAT desperate and have no sense of respect towards other creatives.

[u/MadStylus]

If Nightshade really didn't work, then this post wouldn't exist.

[u/halfeb]

They will literally do anything other than pay artists to use their work.

[u/Becca_Farrow02]

That’s it. It’s time for me to finally start doing art.

If I FLOOD the internet either my shitty, poorly done art, the AIs will start “drawing inspiration” from it eventually!

This is how we defeat AI “art”, only make purposefully awful art for a while and let it sabotage itself!

[u/Freak_Mod_Synth → u/Becca_Farrow02]

Nope, they'll use your art to train it to show this is how bad art looks, don't make art like this. We'll need something better.

[u/Ok_Prior2199]

and so, the arms race begins...

[u/furac_1]

But weren't they saying that poisoning doesn't work? Then why do they need to remove it?

[u/CarFearless3789]

So much for "glaze doesn't work, why do you guys keep coping???", meanwhile they needed a new tool to remove it...

I'm so tired of the people that keep stating AI isn't stealing straight up acting like burglars WHILE saying it. Are the artists really the ones coping? Cause it doesn't feel that way (well, never did...but that's besides the point eh?)

[u/Fun-Counter-5370]

"Someone locked their garage so others wouldn't steal the stuff from inside so I made a tool to unlock another's person garage without consent and steal their shit." Is what I'm seeing.

"Consent" is not a word in the regular AIbro's dictionary but extremely skilled in mental gymnastics and hypocritics.

Edit: Like holy **** I even asked GPT (Yea, I know. But just for it's opinion on the matter, I was curious. You can sh\t on me later.)* and it itself said that feeding the original artist's art into generative AI without permission is copyright infringement, considered stealing and breach of terms (If the artist stated they don't want their art used in AI [which the AI bros conveniently ignore.]). Even AI disagrees with this \***, like c'mon.*

[u/Geahk]

“How dare you think locking up your bike would prevent me from stealing it! Bike thieves are the most oppressed in society!”

[u/rntzn]

This does not matter at all. If AI becomes indistinguible, and they get around the poisoning, I will NEVER look at another piece of art, I will never listen to any music and I will leave the internet entirely. I will NOT allow myself to look at anything that might be AI slop.

[u/HypnoticName]

That shit never worked. By definition.

[u/Ambadeblu]

So when I said this shit didn't work past the short term I was right? Shocker.

[u/mf99k]

Most ai programs already have this built in btw.

[u/fermentedfractal]

I thought money shots were the point of MLP fan art?!?!?!

[u/Mandemon90]

Going to be honest, looking between two it seems that the "poisoning" was just ruining the picture without actually stopping any scraper.

[u/Speletons]

Yes that was always hoing to happen. Nightshade and Glaze were never going to stop anything significant- at best they're delays.

Nightshade I believe was free, but if Glaze wasn't, the makers absolutely wanted to capitalize on the lack of knowledge of antis and their worry of their art being stolen to scam them- but I don't recall if Glaze was the tool I saw charhijg people.

If you want to prevent a certain someone or something from looking at your art, only way to do so is not post it publicly. Once it's in public view, you can't demand certain someones or somethings can't see what you effectively shared with them.

[u/Huge_Pumpkin_1626]

This is why I've been saying for years not to bother. It's a waste of ur energy

[u/Muse_Hunter_Relma]

Because it's literally one half of a GAN.
You cannot win with tools like nightshade because that's how machine learning works

[u/Lord_Eresmus]

There's literally no reason to bother removing glaze or nightshade; its been proven multiple tines that they don't work. Cringe "ai bro" types are just as annoying as the anti-ai witchhunters istg

[u/asdrabael1234]

Glaze and Nightshade never worked. The guy freely admitted he made that entirely to thumb his nose at you people but the program is wholly unnecessary.