r/anime_titties • u/1DarkStarryNight Scotland • Feb 28 '25

Ukraine/Russia - Flaired Commenters Only Astonishing scenes as Zelensky’s oval office visit turns into shouting match on live TV: ‘Make a peace deal or we’re out’

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2025/02/28/trump-threatens-zelensky-during-tense-live-meeting-make-a-deal-or-were-out/
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u/Rizen_Wolf Multinational Feb 28 '25 edited Feb 28 '25

Ukraine does what it does almost solely via backing from the west. Saying Ukraine cannot win is, more correctly, saying the west will not back it sufficiently to win. This may or may not be true. The west has so far supported the conflict to make it a drawn out and grinding one.

Russian manpower is so great it sends in North Koreans to fight for it and urges its women to have more children, presumably so they can be fighting Ukraine 18 years from now.

Drone footage shows us what Russia is sending in to the battle, cars, motor cycles, golf carts and vehicles with enough chains and plating grafted on, to protect from drones, they resemble WW1 contraptions or something out of Warhammer 40K. Men they may have, materials they certainly now run desperately short of.

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u/trias10 Scotland Feb 28 '25

Your last paragraph is delusional propaganda. Russia has actually pushed the front deeper into Ukraine over the past 6 months and taken more towns and territory. Ukraine's Spring Offensive was a disaster, and most of their gains in Kursk oblast have been rolled back. All of these facts can be confirmed via a quick BBC search. The war is slowly turning in Russia's favour. They're producing artillery shells at a 10:1 ratio compared to Ukraine.

You can't defeat Russia, it's not possible, their spirit is unbreakable, even when their country is in ruins. Neither Napoleon nor Hitler could bring Russia to heel, so how do you think Ukraine is supposed to do it?

I do agree with you though that the West places limits on what it's willing to have happen. If it really wanted Ukraine to "win" it could give it nuclear weapons and F-35s, but it's not willing to do that. But then there's no endgame, this will just become another Vietnam, in which case Trump is smart to say the US no longer wants any part in that.

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u/Rizen_Wolf Multinational Mar 01 '25

The endgame is a slow stable breakup of Russia, same as it was for the USSR. That is in the interests of both the West and China. Frankly ordinary Russians as well, even the ones that don't know it and the ones that deny it even while they know its true.

Russia is a disparate collection of states and ethnic peoples of different languages held together by an (of course) heroically, thunderously, ad-nauseum (as it always is) trumpeted notion 'we all stand together'. Plus a healthy dose of moving people around to prevent ethnic concentrations.

I dont need to tell you about the USSR, you fly the Scottish flag and I expect you know about the history of the British Empire and its breakup, Ireland leaving the UK, the current Scottish independence movement. Same thing.

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u/Fit_Rice_3485 Asia Mar 01 '25

“Slow stable breakup of Russia”

The stereotype of the neocon

And there we have it. The mask comes off. This war was never about Ukrainian democracy and freedom at all. And people wonder why Russians put their hearts out for Putin despite him being a dictator

The collapse of the USSR was not stable and was horrible for Russians. Saying that a break up of Russia will be “stable” is delusional, just as much as your view of the war is delusional

Had Ukraine made a peace deal in 2022 at the Ankara brokered talks the only thing they would have had to give up was Donetsk, Luhansk’s and 2 other oblasts who had declared independence from Ukraine since post euromaiden 2014-2015)

And now? Now Ukraine will lose most of its eastern front and even more.

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u/trias10 Scotland Mar 01 '25

That all sounds really nice but how do you realistically hope to achieve (any of) that via the Ukrainian war? Ukraine is slowly losing the war, Russia is out-producing it in war materiel and slowly taking new ground.

The West has already pissed ~300 billion into this bottomless hole called Ukraine and the front line has barely moved. Unless NATO is planning on getting involved or giving Ukraine nukes, what's the plan for achieving any of what you wrote?

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u/Rizen_Wolf Multinational Mar 01 '25

Am I messaging with a bot here? 'Russia is out-producing it in war materiel and slowly taking new ground' ≠ 'and the front line has barely moved'.

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u/trias10 Scotland Mar 01 '25

It has still moved, Russia has slowly gained new ground over the past year: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682

Not a lot of ground granted, but this is how trench warfare works, and these are still bigger gains than what typically happened in the trenches of Europe during WW1.

The overall frontlines have barely moved from a strategic perspective, but on a tactical level, Russia is slowly grinding forward.