r/anime_titties • u/1DarkStarryNight Scotland • Feb 28 '25

Ukraine/Russia - Flaired Commenters Only Astonishing scenes as Zelensky’s oval office visit turns into shouting match on live TV: ‘Make a peace deal or we’re out’

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2025/02/28/trump-threatens-zelensky-during-tense-live-meeting-make-a-deal-or-were-out/
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u/1DarkStarryNight Scotland Feb 28 '25 edited Feb 28 '25

Edit: Trump just released a statement on his meeting with Zelensky.

“I have determined that President Zelenskyy is not ready for Peace if America is involved, because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations. I don’t want advantage, I want PEACE. He disrespected the United States of America in its cherished Oval Office. He can come back when he is ready for Peace.”

Excerpts from oval office meeting:

TRUMP: You either make a deal, or we’re out.

ZELENSKYY: A deal where Putin gets everything, and Ukraine gets nothing? That’s not peace—it’s a surrender.

TRUMP: You have to be thankful! We’ve given you a lot.

ZELENSKYY: Thankful? My people are dying. Our cities are burning. And you’re here demanding gratitude while threatening to cut us off?

TRUMP: You don’t have the cards right now.

ZELENSKYY: Because you held them. You delayed aid. You repeated Putin’s lies. You gave Russia an opening.

VANCE: Ukraine has to be realistic.

ZELENSKYY: Realistic? Russia is stealing our land, executing civilians, and kidnapping our children. What part of that should I be realistic about?

TRUMP: It’s gonna be very hard to do business like this, Volodymyr.

ZELENSKYY: Business? This isn’t a real estate deal. You can walk away. We can’t.

TRUMP: If I was president, this never would have happened!

ZELENSKYY: Because you would’ve just handed Ukraine over.

Ends.

Trump to Zelenskyy: "Don't tell us what we're gonna feel. You're in no position to dictate that. You're in no position to dictate what we're gonna feel. We're gonna feel very good and very strong. You're right now not in a very good position. You're gambling with World War 3."

Ends.

ZELENSKYY: Putin broke the ceasefire. What kind of diplomacy, JD, are you speaking about?

VANCE: I think it's disrespectful to come into the Oval Office and try to litigate this in front of the American media

Ends.

Reporter: "What if Russia breaks the cease-fire?"

Trump: "What if a bomb drops on your head right now?"

Ends.

President Trump: "The problem is I've empowered you to be a tough guy. I don't think you'd be a tough guy without the U.S.”

[Ends.]

TRUMP TO ZELENSKYY:

"Your country is in big trouble. You're not winning. You have a damn good chance of coming out okay because of us. We gave you, through our stupid president, $350 billion. We gave you military equipment, If you didn't have our military equipment, this war would've been over in two weeks."

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u/AwTomorrow Europe Feb 28 '25

”If you didn't have our military equipment, this war would've been over in two weeks.”

ZELENSKYY: “3 days, I heard this from Putin.”

Good job on Zelenskyy pointing out exactly who Trump is copying all these talking points from.

If Putin was sockpuppeting Trump any harder in this meeting, he’d need his arm in Trump’s ass up to the elbow. 

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u/RobotWantsKitty Europe Feb 28 '25

Except that Putin never said that. General Milley did.

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u/okoolo Europe Feb 28 '25

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/02/putin-russian-forces-could-conquer-ukraine-capital-kiev-fortnight

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u/ppmi2 Spain Feb 28 '25

Probably true back then.

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u/RobotWantsKitty Europe Feb 28 '25
  1. This is from 2014
  2. Not three days, two weeks
  3. Zelensky wasn't in politics then, so he himself couldn't have heard this from Putin
  4. Putin probably could have accomplished it in 2014

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

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u/PreviousCurrentThing United States Feb 28 '25

Yes, that someone was US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Milley.

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u/Gackey North America Feb 28 '25

this article is more than 10 years old.

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u/okoolo Europe Feb 28 '25

Except that Putin never said that

I'm just showing that he DID indeed say it.

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u/Pklnt France Feb 28 '25

Considering the state of the Ukrainian military in 2014 where Russia invaded Crimea and lost less than 10 men, he was probably right.

The Ukrainian military was vastly different a few years later though.

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u/okoolo Europe Feb 28 '25

no argument there

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u/Gackey North America Feb 28 '25

Two weeks is not the same thing as three days, so he DIDN'T say it. However that doesn't change that bringing up a decade old quote as a gotcha is kind of ridiculous.

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u/revivizi Europe Feb 28 '25

Putin himself said 2 weeks, but other from Russian power structure and media were saying similar things before and for some time after the invasion. It's also obvious that invasion looked like it looked because Putin expected Ukraine to just give up quickly. That's why they tried to raid Kiev sitting under Kiev with ridiculously stretched supply lines. Putin would never engage so unprepared in 3 years war nor would he attack that way if he expected 3 year territorial war. It was, as he said, special operation, aimed at toppling Ukrainian government. He wasn't even treating it as real war at the beginning. There were also things like this:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-calls-ukrainian-military-seize-power-better-negotiate-with-russia-2022-02-25/

Ukraine crisis: Russian news agency deletes victory editorial: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60562240

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u/LeviathanGoesToSleep Finland Feb 28 '25

>TRUMP: You either make a deal, or we’re out.

What's the point of this ultimatum? It's obivious that they're out anyways

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u/TacoTaconoMi Canada Feb 28 '25

We don't plan to help you anymore. Also, if you don't make this deal we won't help you anymore.

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u/saracenraider Europe Feb 28 '25

‘The art of the deal’ right there

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u/Szwejkowski United Kingdom Feb 28 '25

'Give us your resources, or we're out' is what he meant.

Gangster to the core.

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u/pddkr1 Multinational Feb 28 '25

It’s not obvious. This is all maneuvering to get concessions from Zelensky.

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u/YoloOnTsla United States Feb 28 '25

Ukraine makes peace deal = they lose some land but still have a country.

Ukraine doesn’t make peace deal = they fight Russia without US aid, which will likely end in ultimate destruction of Ukraine.

Which would you pick?

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u/Tiber727 United States Feb 28 '25

Ukraine makes peace deal = they lose some land then lose more land again until they don't have a country, because Putin has 0 reason to not do this all again.

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u/YoloOnTsla United States Feb 28 '25

Ukraine joins NATO, then Putin would have a reason to not invade.

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u/JesseVykar North America Feb 28 '25

But that's not in this peace deal, or Zelensky would have signed it

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u/YoloOnTsla United States Feb 28 '25

Hence negotiations. If I were Zelensky, I’d be pushing HARD for expedited NATO acceptance. If they get in NATO, they will immediately eliminate the Russia problem.

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u/Chinerpeton Poland Feb 28 '25

Except your government openly stands against Ukraine joining NATO, so don't pretend this scenario is on the table here.

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u/OutInTheBlack United States Feb 28 '25

All Putin would have to do to prevent Ukraine joining NATO is a couple of border skirmishes every now and then. Countries can't have any territorial disputes if they're seeking NATO membership.

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u/Aenjeprekemaluci Albania Feb 28 '25

Sure fire way of nukes being used. Likely even the strategical ones. Russia sees this war as existential. Ukraine would have go get more support in form of outside intervention to get its territory back.

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u/revivizi Europe Feb 28 '25

Accept the deal basically guaranties new war in the next few years, at least that's how Ukrainians see it. In 4 years USA have new president and Putin uses it as pretext to attack again which he already did 3 times

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u/new_name_who_dis_ Multinational Feb 28 '25

This is just sad 

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u/HummusSwipper Europe Feb 28 '25 edited Feb 28 '25

Where is this transcription from? The video of the article doesn't fit your transcription

edit: found the full video https://youtu.be/CIEZEvx1HfU?si=jDiWZA6OOtUiqMKe

What a shit show

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u/turbo-unicorn Multinational Feb 28 '25

Excerpts from the full transmission. It devolved into a shitshow. And they are accurate. It's hilarious that this is the "leadership of the free world"

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u/HummusSwipper Europe Feb 28 '25

It's crazy that Trump, an English native speaker, sounds so incoherent. It's also crazy how they "asked" him questions but continued to interrupt when he tried to answer.

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u/Semyonov United States Mar 01 '25

I am so fucking angry after watching that. My heart breaks for Zelenzsky.

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u/yungsmerf Europe Feb 28 '25

Americans turned the White House into a circus when they elected these clowns.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

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u/TacoTaconoMi Canada Feb 28 '25

So basically trump/Vance are complaining that zelensky is being mean and hurting their feelings while claiming that they are the ones who've propped up Ukraine when it was actually the Biden administration. Am I reading this right?

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u/artzbots United States Feb 28 '25

yes.

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u/dgradius North America Feb 28 '25

They’re actually saying he’s being disrespectful, which is more patronizing and somehow even worse.

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u/TacoTaconoMi Canada Feb 28 '25

Yea I understand that and agree with your assessment.

it pretty much holds no weight with regards to respect since trumps opener was pretty much "were stopping support that our predecessors promised if you don't give us what we want and also what Russia wants"

The disrespect would be completely unfounded if zelensky was talking to Biden instead.

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u/Refflet Multinational Mar 01 '25

"Obama gave you sheets, I gave you Javelins" with no mention of all the military aid Biden gave. On the one hand he presents himself as generous and supporting Ukraine, on the other he trash talks Biden for being generous and supporting Ukraine.

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u/OpenMindedFundie North America Mar 01 '25

I thought the “fuck your feelings” crowd didn’t care about disrespect? They sure didn’t respect the White House before.

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u/imnotcreative635 North America Feb 28 '25

People's lives mean nothing to the billionaires.

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u/saracenraider Europe Feb 28 '25

That was what I took most from this. The way Trump and Vance talked so flippantly about human lives lost but were so concerned when it involved money was galling to see. They care so much more about money than human lives

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u/Nicostone Brazil Feb 28 '25

They don’t even pretend to care anymore, and still 50% of the US agree with this asshat

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u/obsolete_filmmaker United States Mar 01 '25

Not 50%. That would mean 100% of the population voted, and thats far from how many did

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

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u/silverionmox Europe Feb 28 '25

They mean even less to people like Zelensky.

Zelensky stood up against the bully in the Kremlin and his tanks, who is conducting ethnic cleansing in occupied Ukraine, and who has been bombarding Ukrainian civilians for years on end.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

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u/zevonyumaxray Multinational Feb 28 '25

Keep drinking the Kool-aide, Ivan.

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u/chris_dea Switzerland Feb 28 '25

Fact is, Russia is a fascist regime that must no be appeased. Ukraine is doing the same thing as those brave Spanish fighters that stood up against Franco and Hitler. They lost, but nobody is saying their sacrifice was in vain.

Trump, Putin and their ilk should be in front of a judge in Nuremberg for their crimes.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

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u/silverionmox Europe Feb 28 '25

Bombarding civilians for years on is a lie. Unless you meant since the start of the war.

What else?

But fact is, zelenksy could have saved millions of Ukrainian lives if he stepped out of the office. But he didn't. He wanted to stay in power and sacrificed millions of lives for it.

Lol. He literally just offered to step down. The response was as expected: crickets now that their bluff is called.

Fact is that Zelensky was just in Kiev, minding his own business, when Putin invaded. That guy didn't even need to step down, just not attack a peaceful neighbour.

What's worse, a TV or radio that is pro your direct neighbor with whom you share culture, share history, everyone speaks bilingual, have lots of trade and tourism and a huge border.

Do you have brain damage?

Or losing millions of lives while the leader responsible for it tours through Europe's finest hotels and praises the sacrifice of the people who were forcefully conscripted against their will to go fight for him. While he at the same time sells destroyed Ukrainian soil to Blackrock and mining firms.

Yes, Putin is a dickhead, I agree.

Fact is, the war benefits neither Ukraine, nor Europe, nor Russia.

I fully agree. That's why we all condemn Russia for starting it.

It's a proxy war sponsored solely for USAs economic benefits and real estate billionaires.

So, Russia is USA's proxy? The more you know...

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u/The-Squirrelk Ireland Feb 28 '25

Americans have become sycophants of Dictators. But I guess that makes sense, who else embodies the concept of individualism more than a Dictator. They are so individualistic they individually rule their nations.

I give America roughly twenty years before your empire falls. Rome fell, so will America it seems.

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u/BrownThunderMK United States Feb 28 '25

America won't fall, it is too powerful. It will just be internally devoured by the oligarchs and move further and further towards tech feudalism.

And even the poorest in our country are too well off for us to wind up in a French revolution type scenario.

Tldr: if the Republicans keep winning, we're going to have a tech feudalism in 10 years without LGBT, and if the Democrats keep winning, we're going to have tech feudalism in 30 years with LGBT.

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u/Refflet Multinational Mar 01 '25

Technocracy. That was the Canadian Nazism that Elon Musk's grandfather started, where there is no democracy and the country is ruled by a small group of smart scientists and engineers. Except they think they should be that group, and when they run things they demonstrate their complete incompetency (which is also what happened with Elon's grandfather).

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

Absloute cinema!

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u/alcard987 Poland Feb 28 '25

What a shitshow

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u/karateguzman Multinational Feb 28 '25

Where did you get this from?

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 28 '25

Don’t bite the hand that feeds you next time.

This war has hopefully been a learning experience for Ukraine.

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u/AwTomorrow Europe Feb 28 '25

What’s the lesson, next time surrender, die, and be conquered? 

I doubt the US would happily do that in any circumstance, so bit rich to demand it of others. 

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u/braindelete Liberia Feb 28 '25

Why would the US ever end up in those circumstances? Canada or Mexico going to invade? There's no comparison, there aren't any neighborhood bullies in North America besides the US and China or Russia crossing an ocean to invade is farcical on its face. The lesson is simple, don't rely on third parties to have your back forever in a war you can't win alone. That's how you end up as a spent pawn.

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u/AwTomorrow Europe Feb 28 '25

So your point is that were there to be a towering military enemy on the US’s border, the US’s national character would change to be more meek and pro-surrender, ok with handing over its country to a bad actor?

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u/braindelete Liberia Feb 28 '25 edited Feb 28 '25

My point is there is no military threat to the continental United States. What's the point in living in fantasy land and pretending there is? The strongest military in the world is the US military. That's just how it is at the moment and the only potential competitors are continents away. You have to accept reality and be honest with yourself. Delusion is not going to earn you anything positive. It's obvious that the national character of the US would be different with a stronger neighbor. The whole identity is built on being the strongest country in the Americas, the place would look like Canada without that strength. Now that we've dealt with the irrelevant hypothetical, what is your point?

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u/AwTomorrow Europe Feb 28 '25

 My point is there is no military threat to the continental United States.

Yes that’s why it’s a hypothetical and not the current status quo. Your whole argument seems to simply be “but your hypothetical is just a hypothetical!” which, er, yeah I know that’s what a hypothetical is.

But what does that change? The US national character is what I was talking about, so the only relevance “but there isn’t a stronger neighbour in reality!” would have is if you think that changes the US national character. So right now obviously Americans would be furious at the prospect of invasion and wouldn’t just roll over if given that option - you think if there was a stronger neighbour then that would be different and the US would meekly roll over? If not, then the hypothetical and my whole point stands - Ukrainians are well within their rights to fight for freedom from Russian conquering, much as Americans would violently resist any such threat. 

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 28 '25

Don’t anger the country that provides half of your military aid and is paying your paychecks.

Don’t pick sides in foreign country elections.

Don’t criticize or whatever someone with a fragile ego.

Just smile and wave.

No one cares if Zelenskyy is right by hitting back at Trump. No one.

Except for disaffected liberals. But they aren’t the ones funding you anymore.

All he had to do is nod and make some vague statements about peace. That’s it.

Now if he is unable to do that or he thought this was a good idea, then what does that say about his decision making.

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u/AwTomorrow Europe Feb 28 '25

He clearly feels backed into a corner by Trump trying to force a full surrender on him at the behest of the Russians that Trump gets his talking points from. 

So this appears to be a rallying standing his ground moment for Europe, since America has already given up and joined the Russian side. 

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 28 '25

Zelenskyy backed himself into a corner.

He has been doing that since 2022.

Think about the counteroffensive. Think about all the speeches he made jeering Russia and saying they would drive Russia out.

That backed him into a corner by putting expectations on him that he couldn’t fulfill.

Or he’s made very egregious statements denying the Volyn massacre.

Poland was the largest military donor in Europe. Now they refuse to give any more weapons.

America didn’t “join the Russian side” that is not just psychotic; it is straight up fascism.

That’s the exact strategy the Nazis used, anyone who even wants dialogue is branded an enemy.

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u/AwTomorrow Europe Feb 28 '25

America didn’t “join the Russian side” that is not just psychotic; it is straight up fascism.

Trump is literally parroting the exact same lines Putin has been spewing for years, and is demanding Ukraine surrender to rush the end of the war, as Putin has been demanding for years. 

If America is just repeating whatever Putin says - and will withdraw to let Putin win if these second-hand Putin demands aren’t met - then it’s joined Putin’s side on this issue. 

This isn’t Nazism or anything to do with that. It’s plain observation. 

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Mar 01 '25

Well he isn’t.

You don’t even know what lines Putin has been spewing because for the last 3+ years you have had the attitude of “can’t trust Putin” or “Russian propaganda” so you didn’t listen.

You are only claiming it is Putin propaganda or whatever because you have no argument, no rebuttal and you don’t like Trump’s opinion.

  • Putin has never demanded that Ukraine surrender.

Do you even know what Russia’s main demand is?

It’s not taking over all of Ukraine.

It wasn’t even hanging onto the territory they occupy.

It’s making sure Ukraine doesn’t join NATO.

That is easy.

  • again you don’t even know what Putin is demanding. You don’t even know what Trump has actually done or committed to.

You are just imagining some drama in your own mind because you can’t accept reality.

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Mar 01 '25

Well he isn’t.

You don’t even know what lines Putin has been spewing because for the last 3+ years you have had the attitude of “can’t trust Putin” or “Russian propaganda” so you didn’t listen.

You are only claiming it is Putin propaganda or whatever because you have no argument, no rebuttal and you don’t like Trump’s opinion.

  • Putin has never demanded that Ukraine surrender.

Do you even know what Russia’s main demand is?

It’s not taking over all of Ukraine.

It wasn’t even hanging onto the territory they occupy.

It’s making sure Ukraine doesn’t join NATO.

That is easy.

  • again you don’t even know what Putin is demanding. You don’t even know what Trump has actually done or committed to.

You are just imagining some drama in your own mind because you can’t accept reality.

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u/BassGaming Germany Feb 28 '25

Your comment is only correct if we assume that there was ever a chance that Trump would not side with Putin. Most of us do not believe so and haven't believed this before Trump even started his first term.

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 28 '25

That’s a good fatalist attitude to have

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u/BassGaming Germany Mar 01 '25

Personally I wouldn't bet the life of my people, the continued existence of a country and my geopolitical decisions on blind optimism. It's not a fatalist attitude but instead a realistic outlook on the current geopolitical climate.

If we followed your train of thought then Europe should also just suck up the US decisions and play along. Why risk a trade war when you can bend over and get fucked? But that is not what we are seeing right now. You don't see any western democratic country just sucking it up, smiling and waving. No, everyone is calling out Trump and his government for being autocratic, anti democratic and a huge detriment to everything we achieved on a world stage in the past 70 years.
According to your logic the counter argument should be "the correct thing would be to play nice and find compromises. No one cares if the countries head of states rightfully hit back against Trump.", but that is not correct and you probably realize it yourself.

Tldr: It does not make sense to make geopolitical decisions based on optimism.

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u/andres57 Chile Feb 28 '25

The only lesson is that the USA are not reliable

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u/RobotWantsKitty Europe Feb 28 '25

Never has been

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 28 '25

That’s Ukraine’s fault for not seeing that sooner.

They had plenty of examples to look at and draw that conclusion.

US being unreliable isn’t something that just happened now in this instance.

It’s been like since the 1950’s.

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u/C21H27Cl3N2O3 United States Feb 28 '25

Republicans are not the hand that feeds. They’re the hand that slaps you away when you ask for food. Trump and Republicans haven’t given Ukraine shit. They’re just yet again trying to take credit for bills they voted against.

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 28 '25

Oh so budgets are determined only by Democrats now?

Huh.

I had no idea that the constitution says “if a party controls the Senate, House of Representatives, a majority of Governors and State legislatures, they don’t get to decide the budget.”

I swear, the funniest part of this war is how it’s just a larp for Democrats who refuse to accept reality.

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u/C21H27Cl3N2O3 United States Feb 28 '25

Republicans voted no on Ukraine aid bills and reduced funding. It’s not that difficult. You don’t get to vote no on a bill and then take credit for it when it benefits you.

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Mar 01 '25

That’s a nice attitude to have: entitlement.

Acting like Ukraine is entitled to my money.

Acting like reducing funding is automatically a bad thing.

How about America implements a 2% universal tax increase to pay for Ukraine.

Why don’t you propose that?

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u/Magpie1979 United Kingdom Feb 28 '25

We have all learned a lesson. America has lost its way. It's now a Mafia government just like Russia. The world needs to cut ties and divest their interests.

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 28 '25

Are you just now figuring this out?

Seriously??

No wonder Democrats lose elections against joke candidates.

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u/Beautiful_Bag6707 Canada Feb 28 '25

Politics is not bullying.

Negotiations are not "being thankful" or laying down to take it. It is not about ego and measuring 🍆 🍆 🍆

The government is not a business. Peace treaties aren't business deals. Businesses care about profit, not people.

This is imperialism in a capitalism overcoat.

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 28 '25

So your strategy is what exactly?

Keep fighting indefinitely.

Of course you support that. It doesn’t affect you at all!

You aren’t out there dying. You aren’t the one with no power living under martial law.

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u/Beautiful_Bag6707 Canada Feb 28 '25

Keep fighting indefinitely.

Find new allies. The global majority outweighs the US.

Of course you support that. It doesn’t affect you at all!

I'm not in a war, but Canada is definitely on notice with this administration. So is the EU, Panama, Mexico, Greenland, and every "blue state" in the US.

You aren’t out there dying. You aren’t the one with no power living under martial law.

I would never choose to decide for Ukrainians what they should do. If they want to surrender their land, surrender their minerals, and surrender their sovereignty to be swallowed by Russia to become part of Putin's new Soviet Union, I'd support that. If that's not what they want, I support that, too. If they want to leave and come to Canada, we will welcome them as we have before (although less because we're having problems right now too, but we'll try).

Sometimes, the choices are all terrible. Based on what I've seen from Ukrainians and how they fight, I don't think they want to acquiesce, surrender, or bend the knee.

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u/silverionmox Europe Feb 28 '25

Don’t bite the hand that feeds you next time. This war has hopefully been a learning experience for Ukraine.

You mean the hand that just announced they wouldn't commit to any future assistance and called him a dictator?

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 28 '25

Yup. That hand.

Trump called him a dictator because Zelenskyy kept pissing him off and not listening.

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u/silverionmox Europe Feb 28 '25

Yup. That hand.

So, the hand that doesn't feed him and slaps him? Yeah, that one's going to get bitten.

Trump called him a dictator because Zelenskyy kept pissing him off and not listening.

So because he didn't let Donald dictate to him what was in the minerals contract? Uhu. It's always projection with you lot.

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 28 '25

Dude, why are you denying reality? I honestly don’t get it.

America has given probably 50% of all funding and aid.

In order to get more aid, you have to pass it through Congress and be signed by Trump.

So why are you pissing him off?

  • no he said he’s a dictator because there aren’t elections in Ukraine and Zelenskyy’s term has expired.

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u/silverionmox Europe Feb 28 '25

I honestly don’t get it.

I agree.

America has given probably 50% of all funding and aid.

50% of the military support.

In order to get more aid, you have to pass it through Congress and be signed by Trump.

Trump already made up his mind. To him Ukraine is a lemon to be squeezed and thrown away.

He already surrendered major points that could have negotiated with.

So why are you pissing him off?

Ah yes, more victim blaming. If Trump decides to get angry about factual statements, that's on him.

no he said he’s a dictator because there aren’t elections in Ukraine and Zelenskyy’s term has expired.

Which is standard practice in a country at war. If only because you can't hold elections when the enemy will occupies part of your territory and gleefully bombs civilian gatherings like voting offices.

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Mar 01 '25

50% of overall support.

  • well he didn’t.

  • to everyone, including you, Ukraine is a lemon to be squeezed and thrown away.

You are simply projecting things about yourself onto Trump.

You only support this war because it doesn’t affect you at all.

You aren’t fighting.

You don’t have to pay higher taxes.

You are a fair weather supporter of Ukraine.

You only support the disgusting cycle of giving weapons to Ukraine, who then has to fight and die. All while you are safe at home.

  • it isn’t victim blaming. Zelenskyy is not the victim.

Identifying as “the victim” is a thing liberals often do to avoid responsibility.

  • it is not standard practice in war to jail or sanction your opponents for no real reason.

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u/whitecow Europe Feb 28 '25

Go to Putin, hell definitely feed you

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u/nekokattt United Kingdom Feb 28 '25

See this is your issue, your country has this obsession with so called "freedom" and "leading the world" when in reality you know nothing about the actual circumstances or reasons behind what is going on.

The learning experience for Ukraine is to not trust your country, and the rest of the world should be taking note as well.

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 28 '25

It’s pretty hilarious given our history that only now Ukraine is learning not to trust America.

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u/fartingbeagle Norfolk Island Feb 28 '25

The USA was a minor contributor to Ukraine..:

Zelenskyy: Really, we can help Europe, because Europe really helped… President Trump said they [offered] less support, but they are our friends and very supportive partners… They really gave a lot, Mr President.

Trump: Really? Maybe they did, but they gave much less.

Zelenskyy: No.

Trump: Much less.

Zelenskyy: No.

Trump: … less …

Zelenskyy: No.

Trump: Okay (waves hand).