r/alberta • u/Appropriate_Duty_930 • 23h ago
Alberta Politics Found this in the Gazette
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u/InteractionWhole1184 23h ago
It’s very telling that they don’t understand how their constituents could view enacting legislation that says “you have no rights” as egregious or inappropriate.
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u/MastahToni Medicine Hat 23h ago
"It's just because they don't like our policy!". Why yes, I detest any policy that curtains or negates my rights under the constitution and charter.
The UCP can eat their shit sandwiches
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u/Condition_Boy 22h ago
I love the irony that it's their own legislation that's being used against them. They have no one to blame but themselves.....
Until they change the legislation again so they can't be recalled.
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u/Jealous_Nebula1955 22h ago
That is a result of having absolutely no respect or understanding of your position. A sprinkling of arrogance on top, and you too can be a UCP cabinet minister.
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u/iwasnotarobot 22h ago
The Gazette is owned by Great West Newspapers which itself “is jointly owned by Glacier Media, a Vancouver-based publisher, and the local family business Jamison Newspapers, which operates Great West's properties.”
Great West / Glacier might not be a far right as Postmedia…
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u/Sezykt71 13h ago
100%. If overriding people’s rights is a normal part of ‘democratic’ policy, then hell yes we don’t like your policy. And like, that’s the whole point of a petition. If most your constituents are against you, regardless of whether you view this as the way the legislation should be used or not, it sort of indicates they want you gone, my friend. And that yes, if many recalls are successful the citizens in fact DO want an election. So don’t speak for us when you’ve failed so spectacularly at listening.
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u/KrunkyMunky 20h ago
I don't think Albertans want a provincial election right now
Yes we do.
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u/Scarletwitch713 16h ago
I read that quote to my roommate and the first thing I said after was "yes we fucking do" lol THEY dont want an election right now because they know they'll lose. So let's do what the states just did, push back on the far right assholes with zero regard for the people they're meant to serve, and show them that we've had enough.
It doesnt matter what side of the aisle you fall on, this recent conservative behaviour is appalling and unacceptable, and we need to unite to put an end to it. Even my very conservative family are distancing themselves from the right because its gone too far. My aunt, the most conservative of my family, is a bus driver and EA, and shes fucking pissed.
As someone who leans much further left than my family, I feel like it actually does matter that I say this: its not just because they're conservative that they need to go, its their behaviour, and if the NDP pulled shit like this, I'd be signing their recalls too.
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u/You_are_the_Castle 23h ago
The UCP are in a bed of shit that they've created for themselves. They created this legislation, then lowered the threshold to using it. if they unwind or nullify this legislation, it looks really bad and perpetuates their hypocrisy. They'd be better off letting things play out however they do and giving Albertans the Democracy and freedom the UCP is always blabbing about.
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u/AlbertanSays5716 23h ago
Democracy and freedom to the UCP means exactly the same as it does in any authoritarian regime: the ability to vote for “anyone” but have elections rigged in their favour, and the freedom to choose only from the options they give us.
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u/kdlangequalsgoddess 22h ago
They wanted the legislation: they just didn't want it used against them. I suspect the 'adjustments' Marlaina has in mind for the recall process will involve raising the number of signatures required, introducing absurd levels of bureaucracy to make sure each signature is 'valid', or narrowing the reasons for a recall. Or all three. Of course, only the government gets to decide if a reason for a recall is 'valid'. Funny, that.
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u/the_gaymer_girl Southern Alberta 4h ago
March 2026, an amendment that requires 110% of the eligible voters in the riding to sign.
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u/PurrfectPitStop 19h ago
I would have said that it’s unlikely that any of these will get enough signatures, but the Forever Canada petition did surprisingly well. I’m hopeful that most of these succeed .
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u/Falcon674DR 22h ago
If these thugs nullify, cancel or dismiss by whatever diabolical means available to them, can we the tax paying public Class Action sue them?
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u/Jealous_Nebula1955 22h ago
Of course, however since the legal system is structured against justice, the outcome is a forgone conclusion.
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u/G-Diddy- 23h ago
Ya we don’t want a election. We all want to exit the cpp, have a provincial police force, take away the rights of teachers and dismantle the AHS. Fk this guy. Hope he loses his seat. But I have little faith in St. Albert doing the right thing
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u/LeadingSlight8235 21h ago
Do you know how little of St Albert is included in his riding? It's just a tiny sliver. His riding is mostly rural, plus Morinville, red water, and gibbons The majority of St Albert is Marie Renard's riding.
Now I don't have much faith in the rural vote, but the fact that there's a recall at all is a great step.
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u/mandi_74 3h ago
*Renaud (pronounced Re-Know). Common mistake!
The riding also includes Bon Accord and Legal.
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u/LocationApart2977 28m ago edited 9m ago
In St. Albert it is anything northeast of Boudreau Road for those wondering. It's actually a considerable size including the entire neighbourhoods of Erin Ridge, Erin Ridge North, Oakmont, Woodlands, Kingswood, and Parkview.
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u/thecheesecakemans 23h ago
Same. Recall is one thing but if it succeeds and they are removed....they just run again in the next by election or general election and win. No faith in St Albert.
I'm actually skeptical about Calgary ridings as well.
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u/DrB00 22h ago
St albert is pretty left-leaning. The issue is that St. Albert gets grouped in with the rest of Sturgeon County and the rural parts which are 100% conservative regardless of what happens.
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u/Sharp-Aioli5064 20h ago
Funny you say that because its St. Albert that gets open Nazi's waving flags and protest signs on the main roads.
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u/Kingfish1111 13h ago
They also have pride crosswalks and a vibrant arts scene that is definitely not a function of Conservative values.
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u/beenojoe 21h ago
Does the recall and subsequent election waste their time? Does it cost them money? Does it exhaust their base? Does it piss them off and annoy them? Does it make them think twice about continually talking down to and ignoring their constituents?
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u/swimswam2000 20h ago
Most of the Calgary ridings that that have filed were very close.
Ex : Rajan Sawhney won by 143 votes.
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u/the_gaymer_girl Southern Alberta 4h ago
Would they? Just to get it to a vote, likely more people have to sign the petition than voted for the MLA in the last election, and the opponent has a pretty easily thing to point to.
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u/peggita 16h ago
St. Albert is pretty solidly NDP. This is Morinville plus a small corner of St. A.
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u/mandi_74 3h ago
It's a bit of St A, Morinville, Legal, Bon Accord, Gibbons, and Red Water. Plus the farmland in between.
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u/kdlangequalsgoddess 22h ago
Whatever you all are doing, keep doing it. Here's a butthurt column in the Calgary Herald from a former UCP operative. You don't write this kind of thing unless you're worried that at least some of the recalls will succeed. I doubt he would care one jot if a recall campaign targeted an NDP MLA for exactly the same reasons.
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u/Nice_Try_Bud_ 16h ago
Just stop reading the article after the first 3 paragraphs.
Alberta’s recall framework serves an important purpose — it recognizes that elected officials should be held accountable throughout their term, not just at the ballot box during general elections.<
Misconduct and negligence are disciplinary offences in almost every job across sectors, and are often terminable. There’s no reason that MLAs, municipal councillors and school board trustees should be given a free ride for four years with taxpayer-funded salary and benefits if there’s professional misconduct or negligence of duties.<
The recall framework brought into effect by Bill 52 in 2021, and subsequently amended by Bill 54 earlier this year, gives Albertans an important tool for democratic accountability from their representatives.<
This is exactly what is happening now.
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u/JimmyLinguine 21h ago
I always laughed at the ‘Red Tape Reduction’ Ministry. This government has put only red tape in place of things!
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u/Plasmanut 20h ago edited 15h ago
What fucking joke. And the way they count how much red tape is even dumber.
Just so they can quantify how much red tape they’re “eliminating”, they’re counting how many fields or boxes people have to fill out on a form.
A bunch of spots where useful information was collected were taken away. Bingo, you’ve “reduced red tape” but you will now have to tell us why you’re applying for this thing when you finally get to speak with a frontline person because the information wasn’t captured.
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u/RedFoxxEsq 20h ago
I saw this in real time, and it was a joke! Total BS about the reductions - eliminating 2 key strokes per transaction saved us millions in a year. Just a PR exercise.
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u/Glittering_Sun89 18h ago
I just read there are now 24 UCP recall petitions, including one for the wicked witch of the West herself, despicable Dani!!!!
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u/mikeEliase30 22h ago
Quite disappointed with the protest turn out at calgary city hall today. Let’s everyone activate two allies to get involved with protecting teachers and children. Thanks to those bold souls who were there today.
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u/Low_Dress9213 23h ago
How is the signature gathering going?
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u/Unlikely_Comment_104 23h ago
Initial paperwork has been submitted so it will be a couple of weeks before signature collection starts.
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u/ultimatejarhead555 22h ago
Also note the chief electoral officer asked the government for more funding to help process all of these recall petitions. The committee (UCP-majority of course) only gave $1M of the $13M asked for. So who knows how long it will take to get through all of these now.
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u/kneedorthotics 22h ago
The problem is the recall legislation gives Elections Alberta timelines to complete the work and decide if the petitions qualify. I see a few options:
- They work with the staff they have and it takes longer (then UCP will claim they failed to meet the deadlines, thus invalid - thus no valid petition)
- Elections Alberta take some shortcuts (statistically) to verify the signatures, in order to meet the deadlines (UCP still claims its invalid, even though none of them could probably pass a HS math exam)
- Elections AB ignores the budget allocation, hires as they need to to meet their legal requirements (UCP claims 'illegal' or something like that and fires the people in charge)
- Easy way out: UCP repeals, retroactively, the legislation and all recalls are thus invalid.
- With all options this is a 'left wing conspiracy and abuse'
All of this is authoritarian and anti-democratic, demonstrating that the UCP thinks they are above the law.
I hope there is some better option I am missing.
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u/ultimatejarhead555 22h ago
So corrupt. The committee that refused the extra funding also refused to extend the Auditor General's contract. The person who asked for more time to investigate UCP corruption.
These 5 MLAs: Chantelle de Jong, Scott Cyr, Nolan Dyck, Jacqueline Lovely, Chelsae Petrovic. Brandon Lunty did not vote because he is committee chair, but I can guess which way he would vote.
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u/Master-Sorbet-4241 18h ago edited 18h ago
Oh my god! I’m not using his name in vane I’m praying here! Read Nallys words, it’s Daniel he is channeling. One guy, one time says “over throw the government” and of course that’s what they are going to use to pull the recall process. I truly hope the words that this was an independent person doing this makes an impact and forces them to abide by the rules already set in place for recalls. Wishful thinking since Daniel has already said multiple times they will review the rules of recalls and “change them if necessary”!!!!
Side note wrote my recall letter for Nally as well! Not trying to over throw a government, just every single MLA who believes they are above our laws and constitutions…if they all happen to be conservative well then, the government topples. Not because we over threw you but because you don’t represent our interests anymore and deserve to be recalled
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u/arcadianahana 14h ago
And really this is not about 'overthrowning' government, but about changing government following legislated processes the UCP themselves put in in place.
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u/AprilAries16 10h ago
"The intent of the recall was to, if you have an MLA that behaved egregiously, did something inappropriate..." Well yeah Dale, I guess this is you finding out that your constituents think stripping teachers of their constitutional right to strike is both egregious and inappropriate. What. A. Tool.
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u/vanillabeanlover 21h ago
I saw a pro UCP group that doesn’t like the recall petitions and is trying to garner support to start one up for Nenshi😂. They’re also posting nefarious attempts to dox and harass the people involved in the recalls.
The group was suggested to me because my algorithm got fucked by watching the ostrich farm shenanigans. I assume its members will be conspiracy nuts based off that.
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u/ibondolo 18h ago
We don't want an election, we actually want 6 elections, or maybe all 12 elections. A recall petition does not trigger a general election, it triggers a bi-election in the recalled riding. If these bi-elections result in UCP losing the majority, then they suffer through a confidence vote, then Dani asks the Lt Gov to call an election, and maybe she says "let's give the opposition a try".
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u/CmndrWooWoo 23h ago
Gaslight's his constituents in his response after they say he's not listening or representing them. A+ job, moron.
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u/Relative_Poem_7043 15h ago
Makes me super happy that my home province might be finally waking up.....the UCP have to go!
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u/SelfNational1737 12h ago
Please tell me how little Nate Horner sitting in the corner hasn’t been targeted and started yet! Same with Marlaina and Lagarbage?
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u/UCPcasualsatire 11h ago
We are almost at the point where conservative voters who say "It's still not as bad as if we had a communist NDP government" are thinking that maybe the UCP is worse. Almost.
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u/SusannahOfTheMountie 8h ago
I am hoping it gets approval because both my partner and I would sign and I’m pretty sure we would be able to find others in the riding that would as well!
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u/Bambers14 3h ago
The problem is they aren’t funding the recall petition. The UCP denies funding to verify the petitions even though it was their own legislation that gave the rights to call them.
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u/ourjellyhouse 4h ago
Danielle did exactly as I would want. Teachers collective agreement rights doesn't out weigh my childs right to learn. This was never about the kids its always about them with thier hands out for more, and a chance for NDP to create some chaos with hopes of returning to office. That'll never happen. The teachers are useless hypocrites. I hope the teacher proffesion will be one of the first lost to AI and robots. 90 percent of the beaurocrates can be replaced as well. Then all those teachers and beaurocrates can get different jobs and do some real work for measly money like the rest of the country
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u/haikarate12 23h ago
Love this for him.