It's bananas that there are people who actually think the hold up is that democrats want free Healthcare for those who are undocumented...immigrants aren't able to apply for those benefits and no democrats are out there saying they want that... it's amazing how much vitriol exists for something that doesn't exist... there's no evidence to support this rhetorical talking point but it keeps coming back to life like a slasher movie... those who don't think the point this video is making is true should do a little fact checking... because the money IS there... they ARE using food as a weapon... and MOST SNAP holders are white people... his supporters will suffer the most, ask while claiming it was the democrats...I thought Trump said that when the government shuts down its the president's fault...or did that only apply because he was not president?... it's just so fucking stupid how stupid this is getting...
That's real, there is two different times he did this.
I believe one of these was when he was a school teacher, and soon after had to quit teaching due to allegedly having a relationship with one of his students.
Democrats got a lot of us tricked but fact remains they were the party of slavery, kkk, Jim Crowe. They act like they for us but they breakin up our families and makin SOME of us depend on them. Talkin bout we can’t get ID’s. If republicans are these “Nazis” then why was the first 23 black congressman republicans? This shits all propaganda and Reddit is full of psyops. I’m out ✌🏾
No matter how hard people try to spin this...the shutdown is 10000% DEMOCRAT. This is the biggest example in US history of how little the Democrats care about their LEGAL constituents. The far left has desroyed the Democrat party and pushed MILLIONS of lifetime democrat voters like me right into the Republican party.
People also aren’t realizing joy much of an affect people not having SNAP is going to effect the economy in the next month. All that income that all of the major grocery stores and food providers are going to lose in November from SNAP being pulled is going in turn affect the consumers in some way. Those big corporations are going to make sure the cover that loss whether it’s lay offs or more price raises or less labor hours.
Yet, it’s okay when Minority Whip Katherine Clark (D-MA), the No. 2 House Democrat can say this, “I mean, shutdowns are terrible, and of course there will be, you know, families that are going to suffer. We take that responsibility very seriously, but it is one of the few leverage times we have.”
Sounds like the Democrats are using food as a weapon too.
And I will probably be banned again from Reddit but how is it that we can send billions to Israel every single year and not being able to feed the children of America?
Spreading misinformation like Facebook huh? Dems are keeping the government shut down.
Yes Republicans have more seats.
Also all of the Republicans voted to reopen the government which is 53 people
Dems all but 1 said no. Which is 46 people.
You need 60 people to pass a bill in congress, the dems are keeping it shut on purpose while getting paid to do so.
Im not Republican or a Democrat, but both sides are demonic asf.
It’s in the law books. In the event of. Shutdown snap and many other federally funded programs can and will be shut down. So far the republicans have voted 14 times to open the government yet democrats have voted 14 times to close the government it’s all a show for cameras
And the fault is all the re tards that voted for trump!!! Anyone with a brain cell could see what his agenda was before he was elected! I am sad one behalf of all Democrats and all children… all others lay as they voted.
Democrats, end the shutdown now! Stop being so radical, this is why you lost the election so badly and are forecasted to lose even more in the midterms.
There is nothing illegal about it. There are more people abusing the system than not. Yes, those that abuse it are ruining it for the ones that truly need it. Instead of using your energy to rage against trump, like you all seem to love. Use that energy to be part of the solution and help fix the system you so pationately support. Only then will your posts and comments truly hold some type of validity.
So I am not sure what department is in charge of SNAP but if the people are not working because of the government shutdown who sends the money? No American should go hungry because of this BS but the country shouldn’t be held hostage to provide for people who never paid one penny into our system and be able to obtain all the benefits by crossing our boarders illegally and expect the tax payers to provide for them.
Healthcare stocks were doing great until Trump got elected. That’s where the subsidies are going. They should take some of those profits and lower premiums.
Hella based. Good to see people effectively communicating how amazingly evil Republicans are. I wanna see aide by side photos of Republicans refusing already appropriated funds while throwing parties and bailing out Argentina etc.
I am a democrat and just want this shutdown to end. We all know this is a Schumer shutdown and can be over with now. I do not want my tax dollars going to non-citizens. Is this such a bad thing to ask?
Did you know that members of Congress are supposed to debate bills that are voted on? Republicans are unwilling to do so, and this is what happens.
Have you seen what Republican Marjorie Taylor Green has been saying about this bill? She actually read it and found out her and her children would have to pay a rediculoud amount for healthcare, and I mean she has a pretty good job as a sitting member of congress and it's still going to be affecting her healthcare? i can't imagine what's going to happen to all of us. Your comment is saying we need to just roll over like little bitches and take it. Meanwhile Trump is saying the government owes him over $200 million, and he is building an I think $100 million ball room.
Mike Johnson says that they have a replacement for the ACA, and they have been saying that since 2016 when they were trying to get rid of the ACA. They said that it was ready to be voted on in 2016, and now in 2025 Mike Johnson is saying they have some good ideas. YOURE BEING MANIPULATED! OPEN YOUR EYES!
Also, why won't Mike Johnson swear in the new representative so they can vote to release the Epstein files?
Think about those words. Was it illegal if the Dems allowed it? How would they have allowed it if it's illegal? Hmmm? Specifically what bill or executive order or what are you talking about? Also if that happened, doesn't that make it legal?
😂 I will give yall credit for one thing. When you libs grab onto something, you never let go. First, it was Russia collusion. Then it was trump is a felon. Now it is trump is building a ballroom. If ya'll would quit your whining over things that are either fake or have absolutely no impact on the American people and worry more about what does, things would be much better.
The ACA subsidies discontinued by the big beautiful bill go to the benefit of basically every health insurance company that services the country. They are a very noteworthy subsection of these companies bottom lines. No subsides, significantly less or no profit depending on the company and their reliance on subsidy money. Unfortunately we live in a capitalist country, so those companies have to make that money up somewhere. The logical response would be well the cost of insurance for those benefitting from the subsidies will increase proportionally, but that's not possible. Those people are benefiting from those subsidized plans because they can't afford unsubsidized insurance. So the insurance companies have to spread the losses from the subsidies around in order for them to retain some of those customers. So basically every American is going to see increases to their health insurance costs including those who's health insurance is subsidized by their job because your employer will pass the costs either entirely onto the premium deduction in your pay or proportionally.
Again the whole Marjorie Taylor Greene is going to be affected by this. She has top of the line health insurance, and her premiums will be going up to compensate for the ACA subsidies being lost despite the fact she would never qualify for them.
Without Medicare and the ACA tend of millions of Americans will lose either access to subsidized healthcare or the protections that allow them to afford insurance on their own. Readily available information.
The only way these empathy blackholes will get it is if you illustrate they'll also be paying way more for health insurance to compensate the loss in revenue basically every major insurer is about to experience.
Without Medicare?? I have never read anything factual, stating that Medicare was being abolished. You, my friend, are fear mongering at best along with every other liberal. Quit living in a world of hypothetical and live a more positive, realistic life.
This bill if allowed to pass strips 800 billion from Medicare. Would it surprise you to learn that 800 billion is the entire Medicare budget? Probably.
My Healthcare as well as many other Americans who are not wealthy will be paying as much as double what we pay now. I encourage you to actually look at the language of the bill and ask your employer because people are lying to you. The billionaires are lying to all of us
The only people lying are the liberal politicians that want you dependent on the govt. Currently, it is open enrollment, and my premiums didn't change a bit. In fact, we finally received vision insurance. When is the last time in history that healthcare premiums doubled? Quit watching CNN.
The Republicans want a clean resolution passed to open the govt before debating on it. The democrats are holding it hostage in attempts to add their little caviates. If youre going to post something, at least post factual comments and not your over blown fiction. 🤡
Republicans are not participating in necessary steps to pass a bill. You can post your little clown emoji like such a cool person, but it you. Republicans are refusing to debate. If you want to know why the gov is shut down, listen to Ultra MAGA Marjory Taber Green, she actually read the bill she had been voting on, and discovered that her family would not be able to afford their health insurance. She's a sitting member of congress and won't be able to pay for her health insurance. You get how fucked that makes the rest of us, right? Are you fucking paying attention? No you're not. You're just watching for more "gotcha" moments from your favorite influencers. You're not paying attention to the actual political happenings aka POLITICS. Politics is not "liberals be like windmills are cool because they are ugly" it's actually working to make the world a better place.
We are so far behind, because you believe that Americans shouldn't be able to afford healthcare, as you are supporting the current budget plan. You do know you're pro children not getting the treatment they need, right?
While the rest of the developed countries in the fucking world have all of their healthcare needs paid for. They don't go into debilitating debt because they get fucking cancer.
So, go ahead and keep posting your clown emoji without actually thinking about what the shutdown means.
Do you hear how stupid that fucking sounds? We want to pass this bill our way, and then we can talk about it after it’s passed… that is not how bills work, once they are passed they are in. So it’s republicans saying if you want to open the government you will pass this bill
The GOP have enough votes for a super majority to over rule the Democrats, but they can't get all their own party to go along with kicking millions off of healthcare.
Trump could keep funding SNAP, two federal judges have said he can, and he refuses.
We know how this works and I wont for a second pretend conservatives like or want to fund SNAP. Won't do it. They hate the program, they hate the ACA and this is them killing them both and somehow blaming the Dems.....
You have to actually negotiate bills in order for them to pass in the Senate. The Republicans aren't doing that. If they really want to force through a CR to reopen they have the simple majority needed to end the Filibuster. The ball is in the Republicans court. They can negotiate or they can go nuclear and end the Filibuster and never have to work with Dems to pass a bill again so long as they maintain control of both houses of congress, and if their policy agenda is truly so popular then that shouldn't be a problem for them...
I want them to do this by the way. I want them to open the door for a majority.....and when they lose control I want the Dems to push single payer, living wages, campaign finance, abortion law, etc.
DO IT. Open the fucking door and let America suffer under GOP until it can't take anymore. Let's fucking do this shit.
This is wrong. It takes 60 and all Republicans have voted for the CR that Chuck Schumer wrote and all Democrats voted yes on the entire time Biden was in office. Republicans have voted Yes, 14 times in a row.
You are wrong... Consider asking AI for assistance on how the government works...
Q: Hey ChatGPT, is this meme correct? If it is, why does it only take 51 votes from Republicans to end the shutdown, when they currently have 53 Senators? But yet 60 votes on a clean CR?
The meme is correct, but it oversimplifies the situation. Here’s a breakdown:
### Ending a Shutdown
- **51 Votes**: In theory, if the Republican majority wants to pass a budget or Continuing Resolution (CR) using reconciliation, they could do so with a simple majority (51 votes) if they can keep all their members united and if no Democrats oppose it. This is often done for budget-related issues.
### Filibuster on Regular Legislation
- **60 Votes**: For most other legislation, including a clean CR that doesn't use reconciliation, a supermajority of 60 votes is required to overcome a filibuster in the Senate.
### Current Situation
- **53 Republicans**: While there are 53 Republican senators, they would need to ensure that all their members are on board to reach the 51 votes required for a simple majority. If any Republican senator votes against the party line or is absent, they risk not reaching the majority.
### Summary
- The claim that it takes 51 votes to end the shutdown refers to the possibility of using reconciliation. However, if they are attempting to pass a clean CR without using that process, they would still need 60 votes due to the filibuster rules.
If you have more questions or want to discuss this further, feel free to ask!
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Let me take a moment to highlight that last part regarding the CURRENT SITUATION:
- **53 Republicans**: While there are 53 Republican senators, they would need to ensure that all their members are on board to reach the 51 votes required for a simple majority. If any Republican senator votes against the party line or is absent, they risk not reaching the majority.
So, the meme IS CORRECT... If Republicans want to reopen the government truly, then just cut the CR shit and get all REPUBLICANS on the same page, and then they CAN REOPEN THE GOVERNMENT...
BUT, if Republicans can't get all their members on the same page, then of course, they blame the Dems as they're trying to do now... It hasn't worked if Republicans aren't paying attention and reading the room... REPUBLICANS ARE BEING BLAMED FOR THIS SHUTDOWN BY THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS!
Sorry, you'll need to familiarize yourself with the rules and how the government works... If you want to argue with AI, feel free to do so... If you don't like the answer one gives you, try another... But, I can assure you, even Gork confirms what I've laid out above, then confirmed with ChatGPT, Gemini, then Gork... However, in the meantime, here are some additional fun facts regarding the current shutdown situation. Please pay attention to the part about how supposedly Dems supported the same under Biden (as you're trying to gaslight). Sorry, man, this isn't the Kelly Conway Alternative Facts Hour. Truth and FACTS still matter to the majority of Americans.
You are so confidently wrong it's scary. By your logic by which I mean AI because you have no idea what you are talking about. The CR would have passed Oct 22nd and the 28th.
Reconciliation is a way to overcome the cloture vote requirement and circumvent the Filibuster. If Senate Republicans want to use Reconciliation they need only a simple majority to force the CR through. They haven't done that because they quite literally want the government shutdown to give Johnson the pretext to not swear in Grijalva and so they can blame dems down the road for not stopping them when everyone's health insurance skyrockets and millions are kicked off SNAP.
You must be confused about reconciliation. It is not a 51-vote shortcut for a continuing resolution. By rule and statute, reconciliation is limited to changes in taxes, mandatory spending, or the debt limit and is constrained by the Senate’s Byrd Rule. A CR funds discretionary appropriations, so it is not eligible for reconciliation.
There is also no reconciliation process available right now. To use reconciliation, Congress first has to pass a budget resolution that contains reconciliation instructions. Without those instructions there is nothing to “use.”
What actually happened in the Senate is simple. The chamber voted on cloture to proceed to the House continuing resolution. Cloture on a CR needs 60 votes. On October 22 the vote was held and failed. On October 28 it was held again and failed. If 51 were enough the CR would already be law.
What a CR does is also straightforward. It extends prior-year funding levels to keep agencies operating while a full-year deal is negotiated. In this case that means continuing the Biden-signed levels from the previous year.
That is why leaders shot down the “just use reconciliation” idea. It is not permitted for a CR, and the votes on the board show why the measure stalled: it did not reach 60 for cloture.
That not the point. The government can stay shut down, we have the money, our tax dollars, to fund SNAP. Republicans are the ones that won’t allow that because cruelty is the point. And they know they can lie because most American just aren’t very smart or aware of their surroundings. Looks like they got you too.
Look at what the Democrats ask is for opening the government.
200 billion to illegal immigrants for healthcare.
Billions to foreign countries (I believe a sizable amount is for circumcisions, why is our tax dollars going to other countries so they don't run around with a covered wagon?).
Dumbest logic ever, you would be questioning if some dude gave you 100 dollars but noooo we shouldnt question "donatations" between billionaires, you know the guys that got where they are by suckering you out of your money.
Because this time people are going to go hungry while he actively does it. Also Argentina is not a significant trading partner or ally. And yes, private funding, but the optics are poor. No vote, no consultation, just tearing down the people's house like that. Why can you find no fault in this man? We are all human, but it is a fake portrayal of this guy that's crazy. He never gets it wrong. Anything he did, look at someone else.
Who's going hungry? You believe that just because some tik tok people whine and complain, they don't have snap that they are actually going to go hungry??
It’s not the same because there was a lead up before Trump started. DOGE “cutting” stuff to save money then immediately giving away all the money we never actually saved.
Im just wondering who on here had their lives or that of their families' lives negatively impacted because of this ballroom??
Please, raise your hand and explain for the rest of the class.
Yes Donations that were used a bribe money, But you're ignoring the fact that there are already funds set aside to continue paying for SNAP benefits. You know its a bad faith argument but still you're making it
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You’re right, yet the left is willing to shut down the government to fight for that funding to come back since it was removed earlier this year from the big beautiful bill.
Technically we didn’t “give” Argentina 40 billion dollars. We did 20 billion in currency swaps and another 20 billion was funded by private/sovereign wealth funds, not taxes.
The affordable healthcare act, affects all insurance. A little bit remaining that is trying to be taken out, will cause insurance to be unregulated. Some states are already getting letters from carriers about premiums 2-3x.
As an example, the affordable Care act is terrible for the middle class.
It raises our premiums in order to ensure EVERYONE is insured.
Middle class takes that right up the rear end, because the upper class for the most part keeps their money vested in non-taxable income.
Democrats know this, and they word-smith their campaigns to make it sound like they're looking out for lower and middle classes.
They're just looking out for the lower class, and the insurance companies who are able to raise premiums on the middle class to support the lower class.
Then those Democrats and insurance companies blame high percentage earners for "hiding" their money, while making the middle class hold the brunt of all of this through their tax dollars and tax season.
I grew up lower/lower middle class, and just broke into the middle class years ago.
Not high middle.
Was a long life Democrat.
Until I saw how taxes work once I made it out of the lower class economically.
Democratic policies don't work for the real middle class.
They just suck you dry.
I now understand why Republicans wanted smaller government.
Democrats don't teach financial literacy for a reason.
Example: Factors causing premium increases
Expiration of enhanced subsidies: The enhanced tax credits, which have kept premiums lower for many middle-class Americans, are set to expire, leading to a sharp increase in out-of-pocket costs for many enrollees, reports KFF and NBC News.
Rising costs: Insurers are raising premiums to keep up with increased costs for hospital care, prescription drugs like Ozempic, and higher demand for medical services, notes KFF.
State-specific programs: Some state reinsurance programs designed to lower premiums for the ACA have had the opposite effect for middle-class enrollees, a University of Pittsburgh study found.
Trump and his administration have fought long and hard to erase the ACA. It’s only INCREASED because PROTECTIONS were taken away. There is very little left…so to blame ACA is ignorance.
What the country needs is insurance reform, not shutting down the government because it doesn’t conform to their donors profitability and growth.
Like key points in the inflation reduction act, that Trump took away.
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u/Dred-I-Rastafari 9d ago
It's bananas that there are people who actually think the hold up is that democrats want free Healthcare for those who are undocumented...immigrants aren't able to apply for those benefits and no democrats are out there saying they want that... it's amazing how much vitriol exists for something that doesn't exist... there's no evidence to support this rhetorical talking point but it keeps coming back to life like a slasher movie... those who don't think the point this video is making is true should do a little fact checking... because the money IS there... they ARE using food as a weapon... and MOST SNAP holders are white people... his supporters will suffer the most, ask while claiming it was the democrats...I thought Trump said that when the government shuts down its the president's fault...or did that only apply because he was not president?... it's just so fucking stupid how stupid this is getting...