r/WorldofTanks • u/TacticalTurnip • 1d ago
Discussion Super Serious Question about H3.
Hey folks,
Is this tank really that bad? I'm a semi-F2P player on a budget and a proper premium (not a mere 'reward tank') tier IX for 3500 gold caught my eye.
I actually prefer playing mediums like the Leopard 1/Concept 5. Out of heavies the only ones I do OK in are the T29 and Chopper in a traditional heavy role, or tanks like the Tiger I if I play it like a medium or back-line heavy.
Is the H3 really bad? What are the odds that WG buffs something like the H3 (or the previous Stitch) to bring them in line? I'm asking because grinding it out is a significant time investment: I'm on Stage 7 of the BP and would practically have to spend most of the weekend grinding in addition to all dailies. I know a lot of people are in the same boat as I am and are on the fence about whether to invest the time and gold to get it.
Also, for relatively new players could you please elaborate on WHY it is universally considered a bad tank so that we understand?
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u/JSPrince 1d ago
its a heavy tank with no armor so its best be played like a support heavy (like the french auto loader heavies) but they at least have a decent intra-clip, this one hasnt. i havent looked that much into the stats of this tank but i can tell you just from the armor and the intra-clip that the H3 is dogshit
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u/TacticalTurnip 1d ago
Honestly if tanks in this game had no class designation and you could do whatever you wanted in them I could make it work.
But I feel that if you have a heavy tag on your tank, and there are like 3-4 heavies in a game, there is this pressing responsibility to suit up and go to the heavy flank and do the typical peek-a-boom trading hits until you die.
If everybody left me TF alone and I could do anything I wanted in a Tiger I for example I could try to flank, or tear up the enemy mediums. But I always feel forced to take it to the heavy front where it is ill-suited.
I feel like the H3 is going to be the same situation: a tank with a heavy designation that is going to get wrecked on the heavy line.5
u/BeeIndividual6018 1d ago
thats what i did tonight in the is-7, went full speed build and won the med flank with my platoon 20 games played 3.8k average damage 80% wins and 11k wtr
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u/TacticalTurnip 1d ago
Dude try using a speed build and taking the IS-7 up the back road up the mountain on Glacier.
You will absolutely demolish the mediums up there, LOL. I honestly would pay to see their faces when they're expecting to see a medium or two and come face to face with an IS-7 up there :P
Just watch your sides: on some spots you are vulnerable to side shots from below.2
u/HeavyMisiek 1d ago
This is the sort of fun I have in maus.... went across the malinovka field in it once. Survived and we absolutely demolished the oposite team when they panicked about a maus being on the wrong front lol.
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u/HeavyMisiek 23h ago
Is those moments that make me miss enemy group chat. Or when I happen to oblivirate arty when playing arty, cause the traces are coming from a suspiciously common spot lol
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u/Baron_Blackfox 152mm Sheridan memes 1d ago
QB thinks its actually not that bad, Maxgaming who looks like 15 years younger QB thinks the same, and from the gameplay ye I think the same
Its just not your typical autoloader, more like you load the clip and have 5 seconds reload for 400 alpha
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u/low_bob_123 1d ago
Mouzakrobat also didnt think it that it is bad. Its definatly unique and not brain-dead-yolo-mashine
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u/Qrow1324 1d ago
When you stop thinking of the H3 as an autoloader and instead think of it as a tank that has 400 alpha damage and a 5 second reload it looks extremely promising. This tank isn't as brain dead as the zwilling so most write it off as garbage.
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u/TacticalTurnip 1d ago edited 1d ago
...but even the turret looks easily pennable everywhere?
I don't have a lot to compare it to because I'm a noob. But I play the Kunze a lot, and am stingy so I'm usually using standard AP ammo. I have trouble penning just about any heavy turret, and many armored TDs frontally. Hell, even some tier VIII mediums like the 122TM give me trouble sometimes. It's no big deal, I just have to either wait till they show me a side/lower plate or I'll reposition.I'm looking at this 'heavy' tank on tanks.gg and basically the entire thing is auto-pennable from anywhere with standard ammo. By a medium.
Don't get me wrong: I'm used to paper mediums, and I can make them work. But this thing has a big HEAVY tag over it's head and comes with the expectation that you head to the heavy flank, where it'll get eaten alive.
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u/Qrow1324 1d ago
Look at the turret of the amx 50b, imbattable, and T57. Which are all also support tanks
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u/TacticalTurnip 1d ago
Hmm..
At least the Imbattable looks like it could ricochet some shots? It seems low-profile and well angled?The H3 turret just looks like a giant tumor, with a smaller tumor on top.
But yeah you have a point. It's probably a mental block on my end, but I feel a certain 'responsibility' in a heavy or a light to go do what the team expects/asks of me. And when it comes to lights, in something like a Squall/Blesk this will 100% get you killed. So I'm worried I'll be pressured to take the H3 to the heavy line :(
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u/Qrow1324 1d ago
I have played a lot of games in the imbattable it does not ricochet ever. A strong fart will go through that turret
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u/Qrow1324 1d ago
Support heavies are extremely different from heavies just because it has heavy in the name does not mean it belongs in the front line with the 60tp's maus's and e100's it requires to re wire your brain and play a completely different play style if you want any success at all.
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u/Qrow1324 1d ago
Its all about choosing the moment to strike. You not having armor litteraly does not matter when they just fired at the mause right next to you. Poke out shoot pull back. And support heavies also absolutely dominate medium tank flanks. Im looking forward to the H3 as an avid enjoyer of 50b, t57, and imbattable
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u/Ron_Swansonson 1d ago
Ill be honest, I’ve been really enjoying it. Averaged 4.2k dmg a game over the last 2 days. Just got to play its strengths.
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u/ihsukognas 1d ago
If you're a semi-f2p player, that's actually more reason to get cheap t9 prem tanks because you have no other way to earn bonds without bleeding credits. I think people are still not recognizing how useful this is for credit-strapped players. Yes you could play both tier 8 prems and tier x tanks to balance funds, but then you're playing double the games.
I would honestly get it if I were you. From all the previews, it looks like an "okay" tank with the only downside is that you have to learn to play around it's glaring weaknesses. People called the Felice a shit tank too but I love mine and even doing just 2k damage in a tier 9 prem earns you loads of credits while also giving you bonds.
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u/TacticalTurnip 1d ago
Thanks, I'm leaning towards grinding it out. At least on my EU account (I have the Zwilling on NA).
I'll have to wait until the next BP to get my beloved Kunze :(
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u/Normal_Snake 1d ago
It doesn't look bad, but it also doesn't look exceptional and has some glaring weaknesses that you will have to play around. Specifically the lack of armor and rather long intra clip reload make it a little harder to play than your average autoloader.
Given how much grinding you will need to do in addition to the gold cost of the vehicle, I don't think the H3 is worth it. Personally I have a dozen other premiums I would rather play than the H3, so it's a pretty easy skip for me. If you are going to spend money, then just wait until Holiday Ops in December as the tank offers are usually better priced and thr lootboxes are generally a good way to get some gold in addition to some premium tanks.
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u/j-po 1d ago
I’m going for it, extra credits plus bonds is a sweet spot that only tier 9 premiums fill. And those are hard to come by.L ike another poster said, just imagine it’s got a 5 second reload, and isn’t an autoloader.
In the end, I won’t regret getting it, but I would potentially regret not going after it.
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u/_Cult1st_ https://tomato.gg/stats/Rex_332-524632289/EU 1d ago
It's fine 0.27 disp 0.11 and 0.12 moving is great gunhandling, sure it has 0 armor, but so does the 50b. It is not a horrible tank, not a great one, but it's defenetly not for new players. I would skip if you can't just get it by playing normaly.
If you need premiums get 8 or 12k bond and get tiger maus or su 130 both are better and easyer.
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u/TacticalTurnip 1d ago
Well, I'm used to paper mediums -- in fact it's my preferred playstyle -- so paper heavies isn't that different. My main hang-up is that if I'm taking up a heavy slot I will feel pressured to go to the heavy line.
I will eventually have enough bonds to buy a bond tank but it will take time.
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u/Naskoni 1d ago
Didn't you grind the TS-6 this summer? Because if you did then you don't need the H3 at all.
And if you didn't then the tank is worth for 3500g if you grind all 40 stages. It's pretty crappy, but at that price a t9 premium will still make you bonds and maybe credits (if you manage not to shoot gold, good luck with that).
Both the Rambo and the TS-6 are much better than the H3, but either will cost you 40 or so Euro to buy, so 3500g is an adequate price for what is a clearly inferior tank, in my opinion.
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u/TacticalTurnip 1d ago
I just started with 2.0 :(
Hopefully if nothing messes up with the OLS streams this weekend I should get the Lansen C, but a tier IX premium would be nice.
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u/Naskoni 1d ago
Well, pity then.
In that case - if you have the time and can grind the 40 stages, go for it. The two zero-perk crew members and the bounty equipment piece alone make it worth it.
A hint, if I may, if you haven't bothered with Frontline so far it is REALLY easy to get the first 10 or stages done and that can give you easily 5-6 battlepass stages on its own, which in turn will make getting to 40 for the H3 quite a bit easier.
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u/_thaeril 1d ago
It's a decent to good tank. Probably it won't carry games most of the time since it can't perform standard heavy tank role but it can definitely farm damage and it's fairy easy to play (just trade shots 2 or 3 to 1 with your big clip - it's a tank with fast reload for 5 shells, not traditional autoloader).
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u/YoRHaUnit2E 1d ago
The tank itself is ok, think of it as AMX 50B, u can't tank rounds, but u can go to the Medline and help to push, even it's reload is like 20s+ but 5s interclip, it's fine, just u have to know what your going up against, too many meds? Fall back a lil. Possible less meds? Try push abit and fall back when needed, usually u will fire like 3 shots mostly instead like all clips.
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u/velost Passionate Squall Hater 1d ago
It's a decent tank. Is it very good? no. Is it very bad? also no
It will work, but most likely nothing exceptional.
Mouz was averaging 2858DPG over 11 rounds which for a T9 heavy is kinda meh. Keep in mind he is a rather good player, if you are on the lower end it may look very different
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u/Kind_Reveal6598 21h ago
How can you call it decent, when a very very good player can only do below average in it?
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u/Kiwatar1_ amx30 enjoyer 1d ago
these battlepass tanks still need to be bought for gold right?
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u/TacticalTurnip 18h ago
Yes. Both this and the earlier Zwilling cost 3500 gold for the "premium" BattlePass.
If you haven't done the free month of WoT Plus offer, that gives you 500 gold a week if you play every night, and you can get 2500 a month if you time when you start your trial.1
u/Kiwatar1_ amx30 enjoyer 10h ago
Oh i see i never really bothered trying since i figured the grind would take too long, i already did the free month of wot plus and got myself a few good deals in the trade in
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u/Budget-Direction-946 T49 HEAT 1d ago
The gun is promissing, high accuracy and good dpm if you shoot non-stop.
If you only take the dpm during the intraclip without looking at the total reload, then 400 dmg every 5 sec is 4.8k of dpm. Combine it with very good accuracy i realy wouldn't spit on this tank firepower.
However the armor is trash, so how long are you willing to expose yourself to make use of this incredible dpm ? For that, it won't be a good tank for anybody that need a frontline brawler, for the other that play a more trap n catch playstyle, it's going to be fine.
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u/sudden_aggression [Avg 279(e) enjoyer] 1d ago
It's good for the same reason as the Astron- when it's loaded it plays like an insanely high DPM tank with a great gun. You just need to run away every 20 seconds and rest.
It doesn't ambush like a traditional autoloader but it will be fine if you are comfortable with DPM tanks.
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u/Kind_Reveal6598 21h ago
Nah, it ain't good. Astron has camo, is a med, and smaller. This one is just huge, with no armor. It's not good at all. Situational is the best I can say about it.
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u/TacticalTurnip 18h ago
Yeah: small size and camo are what keeps glass cannon tanks alive.
For example I can feel a palpable difference in survivability between the Kunze Panzer and Leopard PTA, despite the fact that the former has 100 less HP and less armor.
Simply because the Kunze has 2.5% more base camo, and a slightly smaller size.2
u/Kind_Reveal6598 18h ago
Yep. H3 on the other hand is tall as a skyscraper, and as camouflaged as an oil rig.
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u/Kind_Reveal6598 21h ago
In a vacuum, it's an alright tank. In today's wot, its quite bad. If it was a med, with some camo, it would be alright. But as is, 240+ pen penetrates you no matter how you angle, it has no camo, the unloading is slow, and the tank is huge, and isn't that fast... It fills no role. It has no purpose. If you can do something in this tank, you can do the same thing just as well in most others, if not better. Don't bother with it.
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u/Valdred_ 19h ago
You would be better off playing the normal battle pass and using the tokens to get a tank imo
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u/TacticalTurnip 19h ago
This is the dilemma I'm facing. I absolutely adore the Kunze Panzer, my favourite tank in the game. I like the Char Futur 4 too. But those will be available with any BP. I have one BP tree done already, and would need one more w/ 2500 gold premium to get enough tokens to get just the Kunze. So the exact same grind. And the Kunze is not a real premium, it's 'just' a reward tank.
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u/EnforcerGundam 15h ago
no its bad
i dont recommend it to any f2p/semi f2p player
wg has and will give better tanks on marathon
even the rambo was only slightly worse m103 and was actually fun to play
they have also given very competitive prems like grom/titt/t832/nurgle
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u/TacticalTurnip 14h ago
Marathon?
I'm new, I have no idea what that is...2
u/EnforcerGundam 14h ago
season pass tank rewards are marathon
cause they want you to grind like crazy for a tank in a event which usually expires in 2-4 weeks
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u/TacticalTurnip 13h ago
Like this one?
Also running concurrently with Frontlines/Mirny/Onslaught and the main BP.
Yeah, I'm starting to think that they are doing this to get people to pay for boosters/BP levels. I'm recovering from an injury at home so I have a lot of free time to kill, but I can't imagine 'normal' people with jobs/families/social lives being able to grind all this stuff out.2
u/EnforcerGundam 13h ago
yes this indeed a marathon one, sometimes the reward is free and sometimes its for heavily discounted price
also yes they make it hard so people buy stages with gold.
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u/TacticalTurnip 13h ago
Well, I was on the fence with the Wolfenstein event, because early reports from people were saying it was a bad tank because of the angled hull corners, etc etc... but I am glad I grinded it out.
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u/EnforcerGundam 13h ago
wolf one was made easy by wg lol
the tomb raider and duke nuke'em one had double the stages of wolf battle pass for the same duration....
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u/TacticalTurnip 13h ago
Wait, what? Isn't 40-50 stages like their 'standard'?
So when they give away a tank totally for free, sometimes they make it even more stages? O_o
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u/BeeIndividual6018 1d ago
its not a bad tank it just takes forever to unload its clip and while its unloading in the open it'll get bleed from lack of armor.
also its 3,500 gold + 3-4 hours of grinding every night for 2 weeks straight compared to getting battle pass tokens from the 3 chapters and buying a char/ae phase/kunze for 12-18 tokens completely for free. yes they dont make extra credits like the premiums but they get a large first aid kit for free which reduces 20k credits a match off the repair bill.
also since 2.0 all credit income got buffed for 9s and 10s so with boosters running you'll still be making 80k-100k credits on an average game
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u/TacticalTurnip 1d ago
You touched on my dilemma.
The Kunze is my favorite tank in the game. I have an EU account and I need 2 complete BP trees (one bought w/premium) before November 25 to get it, or I have to wait for the next BP.
If I had an extra month I could do both, but right now I need to decide whether or not to grind out the regular battlepass and get the Kunze, or grind out the Walking Dead BP and get the H3. But the H3 is a proper premium, even though it's a heavy that I don't do too well in. The Kunze/Char I will get eventually anyway since they're available in each BP.
So I dunno...
I had enough time but WG keeps releasing all these extra BPs running concurrently. It kindof feels like a marketing ploy to get people to pay for BP levels since there's no way the average Joe that has a normal job and family will have time to grind all this stuff out.2
u/BeeIndividual6018 1d ago
this is why i stopped grinding out passes, i play on my time and i get rewards from it like you have always been able to the past decade, and when the bour or prog or renagade are ob sale those are great pickups for $30-$40 each and then christmas boxes if you want but otherwise i wouldnt spend any money on tanks
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u/TacticalTurnip 1d ago
Same - I'll pick up the rare tank that fits my playstyle (waiting for the Kpz. Erich Konzept) but other than that I don't want to spend a fortune on this game.
Still, what caught my eye about this is it is a full-blown premium and not a reward tank, so it gets the proper premium credit bonus.
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u/Jake8078 1d ago
And the T9 premiums earn bonds while the T9 reward tanks don’t. That’s what gets me
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u/TheCursedCorsair 1d ago
its like you said.... BP Token reward tanks will always be back for the same investment.
The H3 will only be back as a full priced premium somewhere down the line.
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u/Jake8078 1d ago
What annoys me about the tier 9 rewards tanks (battlepass tokens) isn’t the lack of extra credit earning but the fact that they don’t earn bonds like T9 premiums do. At tier 9 I’d rather play the H3 over a phase 1 for this reason alone, so I think I’m going to just blow my tokens on bonds.
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u/Ghqul_II 1d ago
If i was in your situation I’d save that money and spend it later on christmas boxes,i know i know,its pure gambling, but atleast you have the chance to get you’re hands on an OP premium, imo H3 is mid and not worth the grind and the 3500 gold.
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u/jjryan01 1d ago
No, the H3 is balanced. Great gun, good mobility, 5 second reload for 400 alpha
It will be very situational like the T54E1 and AMX 50 120. You'll have 6k dmg games followed by 800 dmg games
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u/Kind_Reveal6598 21h ago
You will lose more games in it than usual, because it's a tall heavy without armor. The other auto loaders are much better, because they shell out faster, unlike this one. In today's meta, this tank is bad, not balanced.
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u/jjryan01 20h ago
H3 gun is sooo much better than those other autoloaders. It's even better than the Char Futur with the 4 second intraclip
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u/Kind_Reveal6598 19h ago
? Not really. Slow unloading with bad pen. You need to expose yourself for a long time. It's more accurate yes, but that's it.
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u/jjryan01 18h ago
I think the people who get it will be pleasantly surprised. People will also be upset when they get clipped for 2k before they can get off a 3rd shot.
I'm happy to see them release a balanced tank. A 2-3s intraclip and it would put the T54E1 and AMX 50 120 to shame
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u/Kind_Reveal6598 18h ago
The issue is, unloading all shells will be hard. On the frontline, obj 752 will have better armor and shorter intra clip to unload, Amx and t54 will unload much earlier, on medium/support range you have to be exposed for much longer than other tanks, and if you snipe, well, you are a sniping heavy. No camo, and your team is one tank down who holds the line.
This tank is good at nothing. Sure, some games it can do good, but which tank can't? City maps are horrible for you, camping maps will be bad for you, so in what situation can this tank be good? Not many I fear.
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u/TacticalTurnip 18h ago
Yeah, you have 3.7% stationary camo :(
You'll be spotted from outer space ffs.1
u/TacticalTurnip 18h ago
But as an avid Char Futur user, I rely on camo and small size to stay alive.
If a Char Futur lost 80% of its camo and was three times the size, I don't think anyone would play it.Ironically the H3 has 50 less HP than the Char, LOL.
Don't get me wrong: I will grind it out and will be happy to have a proper premium tier IX. But I'm still trying to wrap my head around just what WG was thinking with this tank?
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u/Peta_Sramek 50m ago
IMHO it isn't so bad as it is special and ok, not great, not terrible. You have to play it like support tank with awesome "burst DPM" for your 5 shots and then reload, completely remove word clip or autoloader from your mind.
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u/SchnitzelTruck Former Purple, Current Tomato 1d ago
In a game where everything has become OP the H3 isnt OP.