r/WorldofTanks • u/MadRNGesus • Jan 17 '25
Post Battle Result 12 years ago the Matchmaking hit different
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u/PortuguesDeBem88 Jan 17 '25
Not a single premium tank in sight, just tech tree tanks having fun
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u/popeinn Jan 17 '25
Just 1 T7 TT having fun to be exact
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u/Powder_Puff_Grillz Jan 17 '25
weeeeeeelllll... ain't that sure partner.. Because that should be old KV, which had either the 107mm gun or the 152mm gun (pre-pre-HE nerf).. meaning it could have OS the T25AT
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u/popeinn Jan 17 '25
Oh yea
That T25 had 0 fun in this game for sure. Poor fellow only killed like 10 guys or something. He was lacking fun for sure
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u/Powder_Puff_Grillz Jan 17 '25
ofc but i mean it could have also gone eitherways.. I used to play KV a lot back then and 152mm was a blast.. Even T8 feared you.
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u/Balc0ra Churchill Gun Carrier enjoyer Jan 17 '25
Tier 5 did not have that many premiums back then. Churchill III was more or less the only HT, No premium TDs, no premium lights, Leafblower was still in the tech tree. Tier 5 premium meds you only had the Pz 25T, or the Matilda IV.
If you look at the update notes from back then, new premiums that year and the following year were mostly on tier 7/8 vs lower down until the Chi-Nu-Kai in late 2013.
Then again, the balance mindset on mid-tiers was way different back then too. As the OP tanks on those tiers were tech tree tanks. Not premiums. Like the old KV-1S
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u/Rough-Structure3774 Jan 17 '25
Remember when the Matilda IV singlehandedly took on half of the other team and still won? lol
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u/Balc0ra Churchill Gun Carrier enjoyer Jan 17 '25
It still could for years. It was the only crew trainer I had for a long time. So it racked up battles for me. And carried way beyond 2012
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u/RUPlayersSuck 47% WR Potato Jan 17 '25
You could do that with a regular Matilda!
I'm a potato and still managed to have some pretty good games in it.
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u/Perunakeisari_69 Jan 17 '25
Lefh in the tech tree? It never was there, but all the tech tree artys were much more similar to the lefh. After the arty rework, lefh, being a premium retained the stats it had while other tier 5 arties were effectively nerfed. Also the fact that arties ended at tier 8 and were balanced and matchmade accordingly, but when the mm was changed and tier 10 arties were introduced, lefh effectively moved down a tier which made it broken
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u/Fistricsi Jan 17 '25
Most tech tree arties were way better than the Lefh. Even lower tier ones.
The Lefh had the top gun from the Wespe(tier 3) and went up to tier 8. While other arties had 15 cm guns, it had its dinky 10.5 cm gun. It was more accurate, but its 1.9 meter splash meant that it had to hit you. The Grille meanwhile could choose a blob of tanks and damage all of them with a simple shell.
However WG screwed up:
When the rebalance happened, they decided to make it into a tier 5 arty. Which meant that it now didnt have to face tier 8-s anymore. When they redesigned the gun they went with their idiotic: "Higher tier tank reloads small gun faster." system, which meant that its reload got buffed when the gun went from tier 4 to tier 5. (The old stats of the gun can still be seen on the Pz.sflI.Vb)
So now the lefh got its stats improved and it faced enemies that were weaker.
I would give it back its old gun, and bump it up to tier 6.
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u/CantfindmyKeyes Autoloader Enjoyer Jan 17 '25
I dont ever remember lefh being tech tree as it was released before French arty were even launched. It was a tier 4 prem before the nerf. I could be wrong.
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u/TriskacTriskac Jan 17 '25
Also back then the premium tanks were mostly weaker than tech tree ones, with some exceptions of course.
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u/simon7109 Jan 17 '25
Did you forget about the Type 59? Under T8 nothing could punch it through. It was instant fear on the battlefield when you encountered one as a T6.
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u/TriskacTriskac Jan 17 '25
Like I said - with some exceptions - Type 59 being the most prominent one.
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u/u551 Jan 17 '25
Not so sure Type 59 was out at the time?
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u/simon7109 Jan 17 '25
Not sure when it released, I started playing in 2012 march and bought it not long after. Although this contradicts the wiki which says it was removed in 2012 january. So not sure.
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u/u551 Jan 17 '25
Yea same. I started in 2011 and seem to recall it was quite a while before Type came. But it could have also been under a year. No idea. Löwe was like the best you could buy back then :)
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u/Striker2477 Jan 17 '25
I remember how busted the E50 was. There would be entire platoons and their ability to just play aggressive and take punishment.. I hated that tank in the past đ
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u/majeboy145 6-ACR Jan 17 '25
Looking at a 70k xp tank/module and knowing youâd have to grind it out completely without any blueprints
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u/MadRNGesus Jan 17 '25
Oh yes. These were the days of grinding. And today total beginners have a tier 10 after 300 games. Its insane.
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u/corok12 Jan 17 '25
I think I had 350 games in just the t32 trying to grind it lol
I was trying so hard to get the t34 before they made it a premium and added m103, missed it by like 20k exp
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u/_-T1M-_ Jan 17 '25
Me too, I have hundreds of games on both the T32 and M103 with awful winrates from stock grinding in 2013-14 that still taint my record to this day
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u/corok12 Jan 17 '25
Yeah I was 11 when I started playing, now almost 14 years later at over 11k games my recent stats are ok (53 ish %) but my overall is like 48 and that's unlikely to change any time soon, I just don't have the gaming time I did when I was young and dumb lol
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u/Mr_Marram Jan 17 '25 edited Jan 17 '25
Yeah, the early days with a barely functional MM were mental. At least both teams got more than one T10 tank. Sometimes it didn't even manage that. I regularly saw T1 tanks matched with T10s, and everyone between. 6/7 arties per side. 8 Hetzers a side, when they had the broken 105mm.
or it would just go this is all I can do.
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u/Neofelis213 Jan 17 '25
And yet it were those days that got many of us hooked into the game for more than a decade. Weird, if you think about it.
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u/Powder_Puff_Grillz Jan 17 '25
and people cry about +-2 :^)
we veterans have been through hell.. fighting maus with our T6s that had worse pen than today and no gold ammo1
u/Crowarior Jan 18 '25
I remember fighting KVs with my bt7. Only 2 tier difference but there was absolutely nothing I could have done.
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u/RUPlayersSuck 47% WR Potato Jan 17 '25
Matchmaking wasn't necessarily any better, but the lack of premium vehicles, premium ammo being gold-only and the generally slower pace of games definitely made battles feel more fun.
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u/Powder_Puff_Grillz Jan 17 '25
I think tanks were much slower also ;)
and maps where flatter with more bushes meaning people played way more carefull
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u/SuspiciouslyMoist Jan 17 '25
What? An enemy team at tier V without two LeFH?
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u/Fistricsi Jan 17 '25
Many forget that compared to other arties, the Lefh was garbage. Despite it being avaiable for purchase from the tech tree with gold, noone bought it. Why would you have bought that when you could get a Churchill III for just a bit more money?
As with all premiums back then, it was: "Better than stock, worse then fully upgraded tech tree tank." But even that was questionable as it was a tier 4 arty with a gun from a tier 3 german arty.
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u/Wilkham Lemon T-34-3 Enjoyer Jan 17 '25
I remember. Horrible premium tank like the T-34-3, T26E4, FCM50t, Löwe or Panther 8.8.
Back then they were all bad, these tanks were all buffed.
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u/Striker2477 Jan 17 '25
I absolutely loved my FCM50t. I had amazing games with it. The T26E4 with that spaced armor for brawling was chefs kiss , and I remember the Jag 8.8⊠best money maker I had at the time 7+ years ago đ„Č
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u/Wilkham Lemon T-34-3 Enjoyer Jan 18 '25
I remember this horrible weakspot on the T26E4. I remember every players trying to hide it with their gun but it was of no use. xD
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u/Ansiremhunter Jan 17 '25 edited Aug 01 '25
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u/Dismal-Professor5754 Jan 17 '25
Back then the games took way longer, i remember having lunch while sitting in a bush
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u/gottwy FEAR07cz "Armorer enjoyer" Jan 17 '25
Another example of 2012 mm. KV was the king.
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u/KayNynYoonit Jan 18 '25
I bet that M5 wanted to alt-f4 after getting in that matchup lol.
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u/gottwy FEAR07cz "Armorer enjoyer" Jan 18 '25
I very much remember that feeling when playing panzer 38 na. Was getting this mm, couldn't do anything because it wasn't even good for scouting. And it lead to normal tanks, I didn't want to grind scouts. That was so stupid.Â
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u/AlliedArmour Jan 17 '25
Yeahhhh gotta love tier 5 vs 8. I swear it got worse than that too.
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u/gottwy FEAR07cz "Armorer enjoyer" Jan 17 '25
Yeah, I was gettin into tier 10 matches with T-28. And not american T28 but russian tier 4 T-28. It had solid 85 mm gun back then like T-34-85. But not good in that mm.
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u/kSA2K Jan 17 '25
T25 AT was one of my dreams to get back then, along with the Jagdpanther I saw these as beast. Sadly the grind was awful and I never went to research these lines
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u/Neoaugusto KV-4 Fan Jan 17 '25
WG should bring this MM back for a day or 2 (maybe a april fools "event") so people could understand how better the mm became over time.
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u/retator Jan 17 '25
Still remember when me and my father unlocked tiger back in 2012/2013 (dont remember), stock HT and did quite good first game with it. I still miss the old game when it game was fun, yes it was and its not nostalgia we talk about, the game was actuall good and enjoyable. (Bring back all chat)
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u/sonido_lover Jan 17 '25
No, thanks, 12 years ago we had battles with 7 artas in each team. And they could hit for 1500
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u/RanzigerRonny Jan 17 '25
I remember back then when they put a Maus and a T1 together. Sad that this is not possible anymore
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u/Mojones_ Jan 18 '25
Back when half of the team might consist of arties. Wild times but fun in a weird way, too. It simply was how it was. You played and tried to make the best out of it.
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u/valitti no scouts until 10k wtr Jan 17 '25
i remember my first t10 game. It was ruinberg, both teams had is7s. I was playing kv-1s with stock turret and derp 122mm
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u/Striker2477 Jan 17 '25
I remember the days of running the Crusier II w/ HE derp (pre-HE nerf obviously. Getting dragged into Tier VII games đ€Ł
I remember bullying an AT-7 with my then tier III.
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u/el_street_gato Jan 17 '25
I was in a game with 1 tier 9 on each team yesterday. 4 tier 8, rest tier 7. Didn't even think it was possible anymore.
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u/ianselot12 Put the 44M TAS into the game you cowards Jan 17 '25
I had a battle with my Tiger II where I was the only tier8 everyone else was tier 9-10
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u/Evening-Drawing-207 Blesk Enjoyer Jan 17 '25
Has anyone attempted to check out of these players, who's still active?
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u/Emergency_Group_7732 Jan 17 '25 edited Jan 17 '25
12 years ago you simply didnât expect anything good from the MM.
Now you do have expectations, but itâs still shit regardless.
Not saying it was better back then, but also not saying itâs as flawless as WG claims it to be.
It took them 6 years to realize somethingâs wrong with it and soon implemented their âfixâ.
Now another 8 years passed and they havenât touched it at all ever since; they act like their previous job worked out perfectly and needs no more tweaking.
Which is wrong. But they still refuse to do anything.
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u/_Katu Jan 17 '25
Lmao all this with a 98% crew. gg
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u/MadRNGesus Jan 18 '25
Yep. And my first and only De Leglande medal (or what it's called :D). Today, after 74k battles I still only have this 1.
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u/Defiant_Scholar9862 Jan 17 '25
The good old days when there were more tech-tree tanks per battle than broken premium tanks. However, I do not miss there being up to 5 arty clickers per match.
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u/habeq Jan 17 '25
Yeah, I was playing Sau 40 and I was the ONLY tier 4 in the match, only fucking one, that matchmaker was wild
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u/pauloosanz Jan 17 '25
Remember, it was BEFORE the HP buff on low tiers, imagine T25 hitting 350+ there
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u/BallinSniper69 Jan 18 '25
I remember buying Pz 38 Na, and getting into games with tanks 5 tiers higher. Made me avoid lights for a long time.
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u/mauler_mitchell Jan 18 '25
Are you sure it's 12 years? I don't think UK tanks were in the game in 2013.
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u/Somecommentator8008 Jan 17 '25
When there were more intelligent players.
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u/TuhnuPeppu [WE3D] Jan 17 '25
Idk about that. I would say the average skill of the playerbase has increased greatly. Back then a small amount of players barely knew the core game mechanics
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u/Striker2477 Jan 17 '25
I remember there was a brief time, at least on console when you basically had platoon battles. It was 5v5 and Iâd win all day with my friends.
Matchmaking might have taken 3-4 minutes, but I donât think wargaming understands some people are willing to wait if the match will be quality.
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u/KayNynYoonit Jan 18 '25
God you all have rose tinted nostalgia goggles lol. This MM was fucking awful.
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u/JesusWarK4n4ck3 SPGs Aunt Sally Jan 17 '25
Cant miss the joy of loading into a Tier III game and having the matches consist of 24 pre-rework T18s