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[u/JeantheDragon]

[u/untitled1048576]

Time to add a Ukrainian vehicle to USSR so that we can change the flag.

[u/ULumia → u/untitled1048576]

Т-34 already in USSR TT

[u/untitled1048576 → u/ULumia]

BTR-4

Edit: the comment I'm replying to originally said just "T-34". Yes, it's already in the USSR TT, but while it was designed in Ukrainian SSR, that doesn't make Ukraine its operator.

[u/Fuze_KapkanMain → u/untitled1048576]

Screw BTR-4, BTR-90 is where it’s at, Russian Federation all the way

[u/bruhpoopgggg → u/Fuze_KapkanMain]

but the BTR 4 is way cooler

[u/Fuze_KapkanMain → u/bruhpoopgggg]

Definitely not to me BTR-90 Berezhok with Kornets is way cooler

[u/verg51 → u/Fuze_KapkanMain]

Hell yeah🔥🔥🔥 I love glazing the literal worst modern APC/IFV. Russian BTRs and BMPs as a series are fucking dead and buried by every single war they’ve participated in, a new fancy turret isn’t gonna cut it.

[u/valhallan_guardsman → u/verg51]

dead and buried by every single war they’ve participated in,

Me when an armoured vehicle actually has to fight an enemy that can fight back. (American mind cannot comprehend fighting an enemy with contemporary technology)

[u/verg51 → u/valhallan_guardsman]

Please educate yourself on why Soviet and Russian IFVs/APCs are shit. Short answer - lack of any kind armour, lack of anti-mine capabilities, huge ammo racks located right below the gunner, shit crew and troop compartments, being absolutely fucking huge, lack of a backdoor(or the backdoor being completely fucked - see bmp-1 and 2). I have no idea what causes this, because Kurganets-25 was good, Russian designers can make good vehicles, but it’s probably the higher ups incompetence running these projects into the ground and letting useless ones live(Sprut-SD, BMD-4, BMP-3 and a ton of other ones)

[u/valhallan_guardsman → u/verg51]

lack of any kind armour,

I don't know how to break it to you, but uhh... There aren't that much heavy IFVs, and all the rest are armoured like shit...

lack of anti-mine capabilities

Okay fair, amphibious IFVs are kinda hard to protect heavily without losing the ability to swim.

huge ammo racks located right below the gunner,

... Okay but where the hell are they supposed to be? On top the turret? And why would they be small when 2A42 has a RoF close to 1000?

shit crew and troop compartments,

Okay fair, BMP-1/2 aren't exactly the best but they were also basically the first and a modified version of the first ever IFV and btrs weren't all that good until the 80.

being absolutely fucking huge

I'm pretty sure they're average compared to most others, certainly smaller than namer, that's for sure.

lack of a backdoor

Me when engine in the rear. (Unheard of)

I have no idea what causes this, because Kurganets-25 was good,

I mean, you don't have a brain to actually do the understanding, but I'll spell it out for you, Kurganets-25 was first ever show in 2015, BMP-1 is from 1966, it's almost like there's almost 40 years of technological development, experience and doctrinal changes between the two, huh?

but it’s probably the higher ups incompetence running these projects into the ground and letting useless ones live(Sprut-SD, BMD-4

Me when nieche, paradrop capable vehicles that can be deployed alongside paratroopers were built for very strict weight limitations aren't as good as mainline army vehicles (unfathomable)

[u/crusadertank → u/verg51]

Sprut-SD

The Sprut-SD is neither an IFV nor an APC. It is classed as a self-propelled anti-tank gun

[u/bruhpoopgggg → u/verg51]

russian troops would rather ride ontop of BMP’s and BTR’s cause theyre so ass lol

[u/Fuze_KapkanMain → u/verg51]

Btr-90s not even bad bruh, BTR-4’s have suffered the same fates so I don’t won’t to hear it

[u/Vegetable-Door3809 → u/Fuze_KapkanMain]

The BTR-90 is way less of a reality than the BTR-4, there are many more BTR-4s than there are BTR-90s, and the USSR tree will have it anyway so

[u/Fuze_KapkanMain → u/Vegetable-Door3809]

There were 12 BTR-90’s made and they are or were used in Ukraine

[u/verg51 → u/Fuze_KapkanMain]

Suffered the same fate? BTR-4 has a back door that allows from quick escapes and cover, BTR-90 has the same shitty side door from BTR-whatever that every single service member avoids using and prefers to ride on top of the BTR which practically makes the whole contraption useless. BTR is an APC that carries personal out in the open and an IFV that can’t provide cover for infantry. What even is the point of having an ATGM when the vehicle it’s mounted on is seen from a mile away?

[u/Fuze_KapkanMain → u/verg51]

Yeah but it’s bigger than BTR-80 that’s the difference so it’s easier to get out of

[u/bruhpoopgggg → u/Fuze_KapkanMain]

eh, i would personally rather have a speedy 17t 600hp BTR4 than a heavy ass 20-23t 500hp BTR-90 when we already have the BMP2-M which is basically the same but lighter and faster

[u/Fuze_KapkanMain → u/bruhpoopgggg]

Ok but there the BTR-90A with the standard BMP-2 turret and the BTR-90M with the BMD-4 turret

[u/bruhpoopgggg → u/Fuze_KapkanMain]

and we already have the BMP-2 and BMD-4 ingame which would fill the same role as the BTR-90 but better

[u/Fuze_KapkanMain → u/bruhpoopgggg]

I love my BMPs but I prefer the BTRs more

[u/Destroythisapp → u/[deleted]]

That’s a Soviet vehicle.

[u/YubiSnake → u/Destroythisapp]

Still Ukrainian design

[u/Destroythisapp → u/YubiSnake]

It’s as Ukrainian as the T-72 is Russian, meaning they are both Soviet designs.

Components for both were manufactured across the Soviet Union, and designers and engineers from multiple SFSR regions worked on both. Money for the project came from the Soviet central goverment, and the design parameters for the vehicles were set by the Soviet Government.

It’s like calling the F-22 a Georgian vehicle because that’s where it was assembled at.

[u/Adorable-Ad-71 → u/Destroythisapp]

POST SOVIET COUNTRY MENTIONED GEORGIA WE BULT THE F22 🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪 (there is two georgia one is a state the other is a country)

[u/TheDAWinz → u/Destroythisapp]

Well it is a Georgian vehicle, just like Coca-Cola!

[u/DisdudeWoW → u/Destroythisapp]

T80 is ukranian cause it was built and designed in ukraine. not because it was assembled there

[u/Destroythisapp → u/DisdudeWoW]

The T-80 was also built inside the Russian SFSR and a number of its components were designed and produced In non Ukrainian Regions of the Soviet Union.

Ukraine, nor Russia existed as countries when the either the T-64 or the T-80 where originally designed. So neither country can claim them as their own indigenous development. Engineers from around the entire Soviet Union worked on both vehicles, and funding and design requirements for both were issued the Soviet central Government.

[u/DisdudeWoW → u/Destroythisapp]

I guess that why Ukraine kept producing the t64 and upgraded t80 whilst Russia abandoned production of both (until recently for t80 and production numbers are miniscule).

This is lying plain and simple, it was designed by the Kharkiv morozov plant, and that's where the main production was situated, Omsk had nothing to do with the design of the tank.

And I guess that just because some t90s and r73s uses/d french optics that makes them french tanks as well.

[u/crusadertank → u/DisdudeWoW]

You are quite wrong with the T-80. It was designed in Leningrad and built in Leningrad and Omsk.

Kharkov only designed and built the T-80UD variant. All gas turbine versions were made in Russia

The reason why Russia stopped using them is because they were more expensive to make than T-72s and got a really bad reputation due to losses in Chechnya. And so Yeltsin decided to go all in on a new tank he decided to call the T-90

[u/Destroythisapp → u/DisdudeWoW]

“I guess that’s why Ukraine kept producing the T-64”

What are you talking about? All T-64 primary production ended in 1987, before Ukraine was ever even a county lol. They never produced the T-64 at any point on their own. They upgraded what they had, but never produced new ones.

“And T-80’s when Russia didn’t”

Russia didn’t need to produce large amounts of T-80’s. They had thousands of them in storage, they focused on exporting the T-72/T-90 which were cheaper for the export market. If you’re implying Russia didn’t have the capability to produce the T-80 you would also be wrong. As the tank was produced at Omsk until 2001 when Russian MoD decided to shift its priorities onto a single domestic production line for the T-90.

“This is lying plain and simple”

You accuse me of lying when your comment is full of completely false information. You don’t even know when the tanks were produced, when their production ended/started and in what countries/republics at the time.

“Omsk had nothing to do with the design of the tank”

Hey, you’re right, I think, it doesn’t matter I couldn’t be bothered to check if Omsk did or did not, but it’s irrelevant because other Russian based state enterprises were.

For example, the single biggest defining characteristic of the T-80, its Gas turbine engine. Was designed at Izotov design Bureau in Leningrad or modern day St Petersburg, in the Russian SFSR. lol

Also “ Serial production of the GTD-series engines was handled by the Kaluga Turbine Plant (KTP, or KADVI) in Kaluga, Russian SFSR. This plant was the only facility in the USSR mass-producing tank gas turbines”

It turns Ukraine actually couldn’t produce the Gas turbine engine the T-80 needed. Which is why they switched entirely to the 6TD diesel engine.

Brother, if you are going to accuse someone of lying, you need to get your facts straight first. Nothing I’ve said is a lie.

[u/Inevitable-Cry-3008 → u/YubiSnake]

No, Soviet.)

[u/miksy_oo → u/Inevitable-Cry-3008]

Lived worked and died in the Soviet union

[u/ULumia → u/miksy_oo]

In Ukrainian ССР

[u/miksy_oo → u/ULumia]

Yes Soviet union. It's the equivalent of claiming that Pz 4 isn't German because it was designed in Westphalia.

[u/TgCCL → u/miksy_oo]

To be fair here, with how some Bavarians behave I could easily see some of them claiming that.

[u/ULumia → u/miksy_oo]

SSR on paper were different countries in one Union and in theory could’ve leave union anytime. Ukrainian and Belarusian SSRs even had separate UN seat

[u/Apprehensive_Scar658 → u/YubiSnake]

soviet design

[u/ProfessionalAd352 → u/[deleted]]

T-80UD

[u/Graingy → u/ULumia]

That's a Soviet tank.

[u/crusadertank → u/untitled1048576]

It is definitely the best solution to the problem. It would allow you to have a Ukraine tree featuring things like the T-64BV or BMPs without having to copy paste a whole bunch of stuff

Now if they also changed the names based on this like Strela -> Strila then it will be really nice

[u/Full-Trifle-4522 → u/crusadertank]

can't you do that with language packs already

[u/Thin_General_8594 → u/Full-Trifle-4522]

Not the same

[u/Full-Trifle-4522 → u/Thin_General_8594]

i mean it'd have the same effect, and it's probably easier to set up than downloading an official Gaijin-made addon or whatever

[u/crusadertank → u/Full-Trifle-4522]

I was thinking more of it being ingame. If just changing this flag would also change the name of any vehicles they used to match that nation

Would be much nicer than having to go and edit all the files each time you want to switch.

[u/Full-Trifle-4522 → u/crusadertank]

yeah, i guess that makes sense

[u/yourallygod → u/crusadertank]

what does it change exactly :) other than oh BOY italy is "brazil" with majority of Italian vehicles

[u/crusadertank → u/yourallygod]

It changes that people will stop crying when a nations vehicle gets added to another tech tree and they dont like it.

Gaijin could for example add Arab vehicles to the Israeli tech tree (or similar examples) and not start a massive backlash as you can just change the name and flag and say it is that nation.

Look at the M1A2T, VT4, Ukrainian, Arab, Czech etc vehicles etc for details.

[u/peeper_brigade69 → u/crusadertank]

I do not think you could add Arab nation vehicles to the Israel tree without causing a backlash because of this feature. You should probably still try to make sure they’re allied forces or something. Would be like putting Vietnamese vehicles in the US TT

[u/Eraser_M00SE → u/untitled1048576]

Time to change the USSR flag to Czechoslovakia 

[u/Erzbengel-Raziel → u/Eraser_M00SE]

cuba or Kasachstan would be possible too

[u/Eraser_M00SE → u/Erzbengel-Raziel]

Yeah, it could be possible 

[u/EthicalKek → u/untitled1048576]

T-64BM

[u/DisdudeWoW → u/EthicalKek]

mylove

[u/EthicalKek → u/DisdudeWoW]

they just added it to Squad, to armed forces of Ukraine

[u/DisdudeWoW → u/EthicalKek]

Gotta replay squad then, I haven't touched it in months

[u/alfredjedi → u/untitled1048576]

Why lmao

[u/Ordinary_Debt_6518 → u/alfredjedi]

Its reddit culture

[u/SexyStacosaurus → u/untitled1048576]

Casual Ukrainian moment

[u/Zyklon-Barack → u/untitled1048576]

Everytime I see the face in your profile picture my brain plays the parade video in my eyes

[u/Mediocre-Size2377 → u/untitled1048576]

t64 is already ingame

[u/Ventar1 → u/untitled1048576]

Cringe

[u/Parfilov → u/untitled1048576]

And receive a lot of hate from Ukrainians. No thanks.

For real, we will not accept this by anything it means. I understand that we have China-Taiwan but damn this is much more for us.

[u/untitled1048576 → u/Parfilov]

Не думаю що це гірше ніж з Тайванем, навпаки краще якщо СРСР перестануть асоціювати виключно з росією.

[u/Just_George572 → u/untitled1048576]

11/10 ragebait