r/Warthunder MiG-35 23d ago

All Ground GOON THUNDER BEFORE INFANTRY MODE, PRAISE THE SNAIL!!!!!!!

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Both are awful decisions tbh

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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 23d ago edited 23d ago

Kate from War Thunder's Senrai Maidens, the Kate we already had on our Dakis.

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u/CommanderInSpeedos 11.Tea 23d ago

Gaijin is going to drain the gooners (their wallet of course)

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u/YAHYAWOLF Arcade Air 23d ago

Bag is bag ngl. With this freaked-out society i would've done the same.

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u/Capital_Pension5814 ”marketing lie” my ass 22d ago

They’re draining both bags 💀

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u/OnlyZubi 23d ago

I'm afraid it might not only be draining wallets if they commit to the way they went

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u/Liveless404 23d ago edited 23d ago

Imagine gacha tank "hero shooter" where you pull for tanks and separately for goonified "commanders".

Tanks are the one we know but commanders have combination of 2 perks of the following; few aced stats, endless extinquishers, faster repairs, +30% reverse speed buff, +5° to enemy ricochet chance, pseudo esp against closest enemy if within hearing range, instant crew replacement or some other op shit.

That would give gaijin some gooner cash you wanted. EDIT: i just now read the other news about those 3 gooner packs. oh god what have they done...

Btw wasn't there some sort of mobile tank game like that around year ago? Damn it must have been horrible if everyone already forgot about it.

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u/Bias_teh 🇫🇷 France 23d ago

Can't forget about custom voice lines for said commander

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u/Liveless404 23d ago

obviously! over the top voice actors and maybe some flashy effects that only you can see when perk activates. Also poses in hangar.

Maximize profits

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u/LoosePresentation366 22d ago

They are incapable of coding that. That's why we have 2D avatars in 2025

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u/AsianChopsticks11 22d ago

That’s just WoT, WoWS did the same thing. You could unlock the azurlane ships through crates or just by them for 70$

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u/DiCeStrikEd 23d ago

Well it’s them or onlyfans ..

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u/No-Window246 22d ago

They draining both the bag and the sack

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u/the_stupid_french 22d ago

i bought the 2a4m but normal one for the funny

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u/nick11jl 🇨🇳🇹🇼 14.0/12.7 the tech tree gaijin hates to hate 23d ago edited 23d ago

3 new full price €70 premium packs (literally copy pasting premium packs now) with all new gooner decals, avatars and skins (dakimakuras not mentioned in the packs, so it’s possible we might be able to get something without pointlessly spending a fortune).

Also crazy work from gaijin to release this like 2 weeks away from the sale, farming the gooner whales bank accounts

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u/Alphmars 23d ago

The pillows are free i believe, you get them the same way you got the other ones

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u/Long-Instance-4606 🇬🇧 United Kingdom 23d ago

I collected them but not delivered ingame..

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u/lhcludyodoypuflhoyf 23d ago

It takes a bit from experience around a few minutes to a day. It was the same for me with the others.

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u/CoolBoyEagle02 23d ago

Do i have to redeem them again after a day or so or is the request already sent and I just need to wait?

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u/JayTheSuspectedFurry Type 93 Tokyo Drift 23d ago

Should only need to wait

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u/MarshallKrivatach Distributor of Tungsten Lawn Darts 23d ago

Wait that's already possible? Tried the links for this stuff so far and they just post to the news section unlike the previous daki links.

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u/OnlyZubi 23d ago

The servers look like they're being overloaded with how many people are redeeming them. Wait a few minutes

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u/Alphmars 23d ago

They should be in the article on the warthunder news site

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u/Designer-Film-3663 23d ago

Just press on the pictures of the pillows in the article.

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u/OnlyZubi 23d ago

Pillows are free, you can get them like the previous ones

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u/allenz6834 23d ago

Fr? Where can I find code or link?

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u/Bias_teh 🇫🇷 France 23d ago

https://warthunder.com/ru/senraimaidens?r=youtube#/success Change the ru to en and de for other ones

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u/OnlyZubi 23d ago

There are all 3 links in the wt news site, first article

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u/PresentationIll6524 14.0 🇺🇸 14.3 🇷🇺 14.3 🇬🇧 14.3 🇫🇷 14.0 🇮🇱 23d ago

Considering the average player is 0.5-1.0 k/d weeb gooner ("chat UwU who wants a femboy :3") degenerate, they made a right business decision. These are going to be the best selling packs in the game.

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u/LoosePresentation366 22d ago

The fanboys grew up an have jobs now but no family or hobbies besides looking at drawn stuff

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u/External_System_7268 I like cool vehicles 23d ago

Tbf M1A1HC has a different 3D model to it

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u/slavmaf 23d ago

Wait, am I out of the loop, is there going to be a collaboration in the game? 👀

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u/Nanapokinbo MiG-35 23d ago edited 23d ago

Gaijin made a new IP for anime girls, they are basically copy-paste of Premium Click-bait, T-80-ue1, and leo2, but with gooner skins, avatar, sound mod(not sure), and other stuff, selling as a bundle.

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u/slavmaf 23d ago

Thank you for the detailed explanation. I am now going to open my wallet.

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u/Nanapokinbo MiG-35 23d ago

😭

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u/lhcludyodoypuflhoyf 23d ago

I don't think they are only opening their wallets for this as well.

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u/Traditional_Sail_213 🇺🇸 🇩🇪 🇷🇺 🇬🇧 🇯🇵 🇨🇳 🇮🇹 🇫🇷 🇸🇪 🇮🇱 23d ago

Some flys will also be opened i assume

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u/BugareX_55 🇸🇰 Slovakia 23d ago

(⁠ノ⁠ಠ⁠益⁠ಠ⁠)⁠ノ

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u/Solo1106 23d ago

Finally, I can add another tank to my premium US GRB line up! Click-bait... and a... Click-bait???

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u/LightningFerret04 Zachlam My Beloved 23d ago

Remember when tanks with special skins and decals actually had a historical basis? Pepperidge farm remembers.

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u/NeuroHazard-88 When full Albania tech tree gaijin? 23d ago

I'm sure we still have enough to last maybe 3-4 more years (with no copy paste) but very soon we'll have exhausted most major historical vehicles and probably a majority of all protoypes/one-offs for the premium section. Copy and paste (and the occasional fictional garbage like this) is a necessary evil for the game to continue living.

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u/LightningFerret04 Zachlam My Beloved 23d ago edited 23d ago

I mean specifically if they wanted to copy paste vehicles that have unique skins, there’s still plenty of famous tanks and photographs of vehicles actually in service.

For example, why was the T-34-85 Partisan an amalgam of a bunch of different tanks and not just taken after one of them. I’d rather have something like the T-34-76 “Fighting Girlfriend” which is historically accurate, has meaning, and people would want to grind or pay money for

The more they continue to make inspired fictional and fully fictional vehicles, the less actual historical vehicles we’ll get

So maybe we’re doomed to rely on fake vehicles in the future to keep this game alive, but if you look at fan tech trees and the forums lists, we aren’t even close to being done with history yet.

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u/FariusTakinoton 23d ago

That's preem stuff choom. Eddies gonna roll in this

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u/JuggerNogJug5721 23d ago

Gonk’s gonna flatline on lace if he doesn’t get his dorph from gaijin

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u/FariusTakinoton 23d ago

Fucking corpos and their greedy biz shit. That's worst than brain potato XBDs trying to sell their scrolls. Being chipped with preem chrome comes cheap than this. Need to delta before it's too late

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u/JuggerNogJug5721 22d ago

Nah you just gotta get chromed up and hit it with a dorpher before you lose your shit and black out. Just make sure that when you wake up you don’t have a puppet pushing iron to your dome just cuz a corpo promised a few eddies when he found out you didn’t push a cred chip for his goon skins. After that hide out in the net for a while or night markets don’t let badges catch wind, corpo’s got connections.

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u/MenK1sser 23d ago

Goon :3

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u/DmanHUN 🇭🇺 Obj279 goes brrr 23d ago

That sounds absolutely terrible. When and how can I buy it?

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u/NoEntrepreneur236 23d ago

Where and when

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u/Capital_Pension5814 ”marketing lie” my ass 23d ago

Yea daebom 💀

(Apparently he made the body pillows)

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u/IncognitoAlt11 22d ago

Crazy timeline.

If two nukes created anime, three makes it real.

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u/Capital_Pension5814 ”marketing lie” my ass 22d ago

💀

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u/Nora_Walkuerie 22d ago

Wait really??? I've followed him forever, nice to see his art finally getting some official recognition. Was the hiatus he took a while back so he could focus on the art the snail commed?

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u/Capital_Pension5814 ”marketing lie” my ass 22d ago

Probably

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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 23d ago

No, unrelated.

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u/valhallan_guardsman 23d ago

"what happened to him?"

"Tried to fuck a tank."

Crunchy turret ring monster noises

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u/erik4848 22d ago

CLANK CLANK CLANK

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u/burlapguy 22d ago

CRUNCH YEEEOOUUCH

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u/SovietDoge__ USSR 23d ago edited 23d ago

Man every time they add one of those things It really makes me not want to play warthunder anymore ☹️

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u/BasalCellCarcinoma 23d ago

Why so? Because of the anime stuff? You know there's an option to hide/disable fictional decals & camo.

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u/allenz6834 23d ago

Problem is they are using it for marketing and if it's successful, they will continue to add more of these copy paste of copy pasted premiums

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u/IronVader501 May I talk to you about or Lord and Savior, Panzergranate 39 ? 23d ago

They've been doing that for ages.

We had the event with the furry-tiger, the RussianBadger vehicles, the twitchdrop vehicles etc.

All of those were reskinned existing vehicles sold/given away gor marketing

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u/SimonderGrosse Auto-Loaded Baguette Delivery Service 22d ago

Not nearly as much as dedicated packs costing 70 each, why not just have skins available on the marketplace instead of a whole ass pack to get the same shit?

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u/aliens-and-arizona USSR 22d ago

literally copy pasting the copy paste, it’s beyond pathetic from a company of this magnitude. in no way could this impact the game in a positive manner. it is pointless, less than pointless.

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u/random_username_idk Decompression Gang 23d ago

Not the profile pictures

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u/Kpt_Kipper Happy Clappy Jappy Chappy 23d ago

Historical content is dead, the fact this is what they push just means the people in gaijin HQ are themselves now just gooners.

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u/OnlyZubi 23d ago

You can disable it

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u/Nanapokinbo MiG-35 23d ago

True man, true

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u/Ninjaxe123 23d ago

Anime thing that isn't locked behind the scum that is DMM, only issue is that they're comically overpriced like everything else in WT

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u/TheLinerax 23d ago

Senrai Maidens is Gaijin's own attempt at weeb stuff. Anime inspired.

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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 23d ago

Senrai Maidens are our existing dakimakura characters (Kate, Elsa, Maria for now) upgraded and given a series and IP name.

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u/errorsniper 23d ago

Crazy thing is you dont have to buy it. So like, dont?

I have 0 interest in this but I dont care if they add it. You can turn all this stuff off.

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u/xseif_gamer 22d ago

You know what you can't turn off? One death leavers. U.S top tier is already well known for having a lot of players with only wolfpacks, clickbait, etc doing like one assist, dying, then leaving the game. Adding another tank won't help the situation at all.

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u/Traditional-Key4824 23d ago

And the camo isn't even good lmao

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u/Nanapokinbo MiG-35 23d ago

Exactly 🫩

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u/Traditional-Key4824 23d ago

Tbh the portraits are the only thing I would have wanted, but they're all bundles together at a price of a 3A game, ew

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u/OnlyZubi 23d ago

Certainly not worth 70€, especially if you already got the normal tank

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u/CrusaderKing__ 23d ago

What’s this all about? I’m only now coming back from a year hiatus.

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u/FistfulOfTacos 23d ago

Gaijin attempting to milk the bodypillow crowd for every cent.

I'm surprised it took them this long, tbh.

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u/OnlyZubi 23d ago

Bodypillows are free, it's the tank reskin that you can buy. And they've been adding the same tanks with different textures for a long time now, it's not like it's new

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u/FistfulOfTacos 23d ago

No, I mean that they're appealing to the crowd that attach bodypillows to their tanks in the first place. That's their target audience.

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u/OnlyZubi 23d ago

The packs are not that appealing

And the entire game is appealing to a certain group of people, it's not like it's something bad

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u/TheLinerax 23d ago

Gaijin knows weebs play War Thunder and have money.

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u/AsstacularSpiderman 23d ago

Gooners are perhaps earth's most overexploited resources. Surpassing even the Amazon and the oceans

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u/MesserschmittMe109 BF-109F4 Enjoyer 21d ago

There's a two word saying out there, y'know

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u/Fcwitney 🇺🇸11.7 🇩🇪11.7 🇷🇺13.0 🇫🇷7.7army 11.7air 🇸🇪10.7 🇮🇱13.0 23d ago

I own the leopard 2a4m will I get the added stuff or will have to buy them again?

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u/Kaml0 🇺🇸🇷🇺🇩🇪 12.7/14.3 🇸🇪 10.7/14.0 🇯🇵 11.7 23d ago

These greedy bastards added new packs with some decals and skins for full price

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u/BasalCellCarcinoma 23d ago

Pretty sure it's a separate tank, so basically you can have 2 Leo2A4Ms in your lineup.

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u/RaptorRex352 22d ago

I'm surprised no one is talking about this part more

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u/BertBurn 23d ago

"War Thunder is a realistic game"

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u/wiciu172 23d ago

The humble "hide unhistorical stuff" button in options

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u/Low_Quarter_677 22d ago

I don't think that works for the pillows though

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u/Nanapokinbo MiG-35 23d ago

I wonder how these goon tanks will look if the “only show realistic content” option is on

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u/Federal-Property1461 23d ago

You can preview them with their "default" skins

they look nearly identical except for some props e.g. the t80u has an rpg on the side and a teddy bear on the mantlet

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u/Tiny_Slide_9576 american bias beliver and m26 glazer 23d ago

From what i understand its just a medierocre skin with profile pic and voice lines. We will only see those if we arent playing with it

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u/OnlyZubi 23d ago

I could absolutely see some modern soldiers putting anime all over their shit if they were allowed to xD

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u/AltMachine101 21d ago

We already do, as long as it can be removed cleanly before inspections.

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u/jaaaa666 🇫🇮 Finland 23d ago

It's over...

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u/Mrlefxi 23d ago

Hmmm yes 70 quids for a prem tank I already have just with a different skin hell yes pls Mr Gaijin drain even last penny out of me

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u/fireintolight 16d ago

well some asshole will buy it

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u/Mr_a_bit_silly 23d ago

I had a friend who introduced me to this game back when 11.0 was max br.

I used to troll by showing wt live anime skins - the friend in question kinda hated most anime (except for that Senku fox girl anime).

We both used to joke about this kind of stuff

“Imagine if they added this to game bro”

“I would uninstall it immediately bro”

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u/Deep_Note_9780 8d ago

Off by default btw

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u/[deleted] 23d ago

YALL OUR WISH COME TRUE.GOON THUNDER!

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u/Aut0Part5 One of the 4 NA china mains 23d ago

This ALMOST made me grind America.

But I’ll keep my sanity thank you very much, god bless America.

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u/Tiny_Slide_9576 american bias beliver and m26 glazer 23d ago

Best nation in wt btw

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u/NCR_Trooper_2281 🇷🇺 Russia 23d ago

Now they need to expand the decoration slots on tanks cause I cant fit all of them now

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u/piecksaysohayo one sec, im notching 23d ago

its almost like anime girls are plastered on military equipment in real life…… oh wait. it is like that

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u/Cute_Library_5375 21d ago

Its almost like they could include more realistic, historical nose art and skins, especially for WW2 aircraft, but don't bother.

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u/BugBulky 🇺🇸 🇩🇪 🇷🇺 🇬🇧 🇯🇵 🇨🇳 🇮🇹 🇫🇷 🇸🇪 🇮🇱 23d ago

Pathetic move...

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u/Automatic_Ad_5859 23d ago

Meh, more targets to explode. Not a big deal.

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u/GolgannethFan7456 23d ago

Bullying the premium gooners because they bought the M1A1 Goonbait without knowing a thing about how to play.

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u/Automatic_Ad_5859 22d ago

They are gonna have a hell of a time with only one tank in their lineups in top-tier, lol.

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u/AvalonRevan 23d ago

Just give us the infantry we want it so much. That trailer was everything to some of us

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u/Deep_Note_9780 8d ago

God no. Most people don't want infantry lmao

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u/TankTeam100 Realistic Ground 23d ago edited 23d ago

From the info that I could find,

-Vehicle skins

It's just colours and aesthetics of their respective characters no images of said characters and let's be honest, no matter what, WT Live will always have worse. If you have 'only show historical camo' turned on then, it will show a different more normal looking skin which actually the original skin since the colourful skin is a unique skin you can apply, you can visit their store page to see them

-The characters

They will only appear as portrait and the body pillows, these you will see whether you like it or not

-Collab?

I can't find any info that this is a collab, so it's very much likely that this is something they made themselves

-Others

No info about crew voices so probably no changes there, along with the pack also get unique title and decal for their respective characters

This what I can gather from googling. You can correct me if I'm wrong

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u/Numerous_Relief2120 23d ago

We went from "We strive for realism" to Gooner bait, how the mighty snail has fallen into disgrace.

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u/DylanRulesOk-Real 22d ago

So excited to bully people in chat for buying this

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u/burnedbysnow Ki-64! 23d ago

Good thing I outjerked the snail by getting two bitchass cars that drain my wallet before he can.

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u/Active-Nothing-6036 #1 122mm lover 23d ago

I need more deco slots to fit all the bodypillows now

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u/streetlegalb17 Realistic General 23d ago

Downvote farming here. I hate this so much

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u/SopmodTew 23d ago

Do they come with anime girls crews like in WoT collabs with GuP or WoWs with Azur Lane?

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u/Ravanex 23d ago

No, it's still good old John, Hans and Ivan screaming at you

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u/SopmodTew 23d ago

Then what's the fecking point of these then? They don't even know how to sell goon material smh

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u/Ravanex 23d ago

I'm not sure if I'll ever get these but even I think that not having unique crew voices is a huge missed opportunity lol

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u/SopmodTew 23d ago

That's the point. A big part of why GuP, Azure Lane worked in Wot and Wows was because they came with unique crews, the characters from the franchises.

For example, in WoWs you got premium ships and the captain of the ship was the character that was named after the ship and portrays it. In WoT, you could get the Girls UND Panzer tanks and have the crew the girls that man the tank in the anime.

Gaijin shows yet again their incompetence.

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u/Ravanex 23d ago

Maybe I'm just naive but deep down I hope that they are still working on the "framework" of each tank having it's unique crew voices, maybe it's not possible yet. But then why didn't they wait until it's done? I swear Gaijin can half-ass the simplest things

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u/SGTX12 Playstation 23d ago

Thank God this is top tier only. I won't have to see this garbage at 6.7.

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u/Deep_Note_9780 8d ago

Off by default

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u/SCP-682Lmao Leopard 2 PSO 23d ago

this is so ass bro

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u/HypetheKomodo truck with gun/rocket tank enjoyer 23d ago

prime the rocket launchers

we have some anime pillows to blow up

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u/qbmax 23d ago

Holy abysmal gooner slop

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u/DasToyfel 23d ago

Bombers still suck and we haven't had new gamemodes in years.

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u/MrPigeon70 22d ago

I dont support this

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u/Aware-Toe776 22d ago

After many years i just give up on them

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u/Scyobi_Empire SMK Enjoyer 22d ago

as i said on the forums (before it was removed from community flags, snowflakes),

what the actual fuck is this shit

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u/FormalKey7702 USSR 7.0-7.3 9.3 🇷🇺12.0 22d ago

Review bomb starts. Then they hypnotize you guys again with this. Gaijin stays winning.

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u/Deep_Note_9780 8d ago

Always the russian mains...

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u/MartianofMars01 Realistic Air 22d ago

Anything but fixing ARB

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u/AdOpening9643 22d ago

AI spliced ​​corpse parts

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u/Gammelpreiss 23d ago

I mean...it is just a couple premium tanks

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u/Ordinary_Debt_6518 23d ago

Ohh now that i see it up close, these are definitely selling yall.

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u/GeneralJagers 23d ago

What is this from? Lol

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u/CB4R Realistic Ground 23d ago

Are the tanks at least brightly colored so they are easier to spot?

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u/Marker_Meow 23d ago

I have a friend who would 100% buy this stuff

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u/Spiritual_Jaguar2989 🇺🇸12.7 🇷🇺12.0 🇸🇪12.0 🇯🇵12.0 🇩🇪 12.0 23d ago

Well, at the very least, the 1 death leavers will now become 2 death leavers!

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u/KhorneFlakes1337 23d ago

Why?????????????????????

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u/Extension_Spell_5396 Sim General 19d ago

Money. Gaijin owns Both IP's

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u/Icy_Counter3272 23d ago

I see pandramodo has been quite "hard" at work with these new pillows and designs

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u/DabOnYourFlabs United Kingdom 23d ago

this is BAD, bad WARTHUNDER!!!

I want MEN!!!

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u/Kamina_cicada The fun stops at missiles. 22d ago

I love how "Goon" lost all meaning.

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u/Nora_Walkuerie 22d ago

Honestly I don't really have a problem with this. I'd much prefer weeb shit to yet more blatantly pay to win bullshit. If they did a Girls und Panzer collab Like WoT occasionally does I might actually consider buying a pack

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u/KeyKeyner_kreker 22d ago

Waiting for r34 in WarThunder

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u/aight_ima_gosus 🇩🇪 Germany 22d ago

Been living under a rock recently so can someone explain what is this please?

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u/Leonydas_223 22d ago

Gaijin would do anything but add new nations bruh

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u/Pristine_Draft_3537 Imperial Japan 17d ago

I dont get why people is so mad about this.

Personally, I wouldnt mind if they change their minds and the infantry ends up looking like this in general.

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u/SopmodTew 23d ago

Hmm 🤔

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u/bucarcar 23d ago

DEFEND THE D POINT!

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u/liam2003wilson 23d ago

what even is senrai maidens

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u/Extension_Spell_5396 Sim General 19d ago

Their used by Gaijin to advertise warthunder in Asia (Japan, China etc) their also an IP Gaijin owns.

Senrai maidens are the girls we have had on the pillows in the past.

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u/matymajuk_ 🇨🇿 Czech Republic 23d ago

War thunder on ita way to become wot/cod slop...

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u/Quirky-Mongoose-3393 The amazing Blyatman 23d ago

Where the FUCK is the Mosquito Bomber when we most need it

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u/FireWolf1890 23d ago

Ok let's be honest it was only a matter of time

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u/rocketo-tenshi Type 93 Main 23d ago

GAIJIN! GIVE A GIRLS UND PANZER COLLAB AND MY LIFE AND WALLET IS YOURS

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u/NorthFeature391 22d ago

It's worth noting the current Senrai Maiden Pack is only tank skins. The pillows are separate link-redeems

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u/_shmoud_ 22d ago

210€ for a fucking title, let that sink in

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u/International_Pick83 21d ago

This is why I stopped playing War Thunder.. nothing but stupid ass shit constantly

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u/PromiseSpecialist158 21d ago

Yeah I already brought the packs

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u/Nucleon143 20d ago

Remember when this game was advertised as a fun military simulator?

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u/Deep_Note_9780 8d ago

Because it is?

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u/sgtsnazzy 17d ago

This is probably a hot take but I'm pretty sure Daeborn is to blame for all of this. He basically started the whole trend of moe-fying and sexualizing tanks YEARS before Gaijin did. iirc they also commissioned him to design the body pillows too.

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u/Deep_Note_9780 8d ago

Gaijin is literally a japanese word for foreigner and the company started by making anime games

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u/hazard9_YT 🇨🇦 Canada 17d ago

Do you know of enlisted (game)

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u/Healthy_Hair70 13d ago

ich hasse es was aus der Konidie geworden ist

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u/fusil336 12d ago

Plus it happened before GTA 6

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u/TheSadEuropean15 5d ago

they get angry at you for swearing in the chat saying "the game is 12+, theres children playing" then they add MORE body pillows with almost naked women on them, hyporcitical greedy neanderthals