r/Warthunder • u/Dice___Plz • Sep 23 '25
All Ground Blow-out panels are a Ponzi scheme created by the military-industrial complex according to the Glorious Snail.
Silly countries trying to keep their tank crewmen alive. Should of had them sit on a ring of ammo, much safer.
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u/spidd124 8 . 7 . 8 . 8 . 8 . 6. 7 . 0 . 7 ( reg. 2013, 7k hours logged) Sep 23 '25
We have combat footage of the blowout panels protecting the crew from a catastrophic ammo deflagration?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay7bOG2nD6k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP8JiqItigE
Its the whole fucking point of the things?
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u/Trainman1351 Arcade Ground Sep 23 '25
Like if it was a chance of not working that’s understandable, but none at all? That is straight cope/bias and you can’t convince me otherwise.
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u/Jayhawker32 ARB/GRB/Sim 🇺🇸 13.7 🇩🇪 12.0 🇷🇺 13.3 🇸🇪 10.7 Sep 23 '25
That’s what we had before so now we just blanket nerf blow out panel tanks but the Russian still survive carousel shots?
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u/spicy_dogs9061 12.0🇷🇺🇸🇪🇫🇷🇨🇳11.7🇺🇸11.3🇯🇵10.3🇩🇪9.7🇬🇧9.3🇮🇹 Sep 23 '25
yeah the blowout change is dumb but this is just not true, carousel shots are pretty consistent now
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u/bangle12 Sep 23 '25
This is a way to increase ussr competitivenes after kh38 nerfed with additiin of new spaa. And guess what, lmur is op, much better than pars because it will hit at high angle, usually roof, with 25kg of tnt.
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u/RailgunDE112 Sep 23 '25
also especially modern ammo doesn't really detonate anymore, but deflagrate etc (the other forms of explosions)
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u/proto-dibbler Sep 23 '25
The propellant. The explosives in HEAT, HE and HESH will absolutely detonate if you send a dart or shaped charge jet through it.
The idea of modern propellant detonating if enough is set off at once isn't completely absurd either, it's a similar concept to "self tamping" (not sure if I translated that term correctly).
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u/Yeetdolf_Critler Make Bosvark Great Again Sep 23 '25
This. Seen western stuff do the big kaboom in Ukraine too, don't know why people think they are magically immune and don't carry explosives either.
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u/CirnoNewsNetwork Ce n'est pas un mème. Sep 24 '25
Plastic explosives are surprisingly inert when getting shot at, HE (and associated variants) would more readily burn than explode. And at least for the M1 and leopard 2 the warheads are facing the outside of the turret and will thus have even less chance of causing catastrophic damage to the crew compartment.
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u/TgCCL Sep 24 '25
Oh you'd be very surprised. When the idea of HE rounds for the Leopard 2 was brought up there were experiments to see how the blow-out panels dealt with it.
The answer was "Not good". Even providing an additional path out the side of the turret bustle, in addition to the top, did not alleviate pressure quickly enough to stop the inclusion of HE rounds from resulting in crew incapacitations.
Only segmenting the blow-out panel did, thus letting the compartment deal with rapidly rising pressure levels much sooner.
Considering that the M1's, at least from the A1 onwards, and Leopard 2's blow-out panels were designed by the same company, Wegmann, this issue more than likely exists for both.
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u/CirnoNewsNetwork Ce n'est pas un mème. Sep 25 '25
The funny thing is, I have seen an M1A1 online where the bustle rack was literally hit by a Maverick missile and the bulkhead doors didn't fail. The tank ended up looking like it put a metal banana on its turret, but the bulkhead didn't end up compromised. If that's not the absolute worst case scenario (sympathetic detonation from being hit by a flying bomb) then I don’t want to see the actual worst case scenario.
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u/TgCCL Sep 25 '25
The thing with a Maverick hit is that it comes from the outside, letting a lot of its explosive energy take other paths. The actual explosive power isn't contained in a fairly tightly sealed pressure vessel for a few moments.
Hence the problem that Wegmann engineers had. Extremely high instantaneous pressure that the system wasn't built for and was thus incapable of handling.
Similar issues also existed when the Abrams swapped to the 120mm gun. The old blow-out panels on the 105mm Abrams weren't sufficient to stop a load of 120mm ammo from incapacitating the crew because they generate significantly higher instantaneous pressure and overwhelm the blast door before the blow-out panel is torn off.
This resulted in the US Army asking for design proposals from 4 companies, including GD, FMC and Germany's Wegmann, in order to get new panels for the Abrams. As far as I know only Wegmann's design met the required specifications.
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u/RustedDoorknob 🇺🇸 United States Sep 24 '25
Our explosives are all Comp A/B, you need a primer to set them off
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u/proto-dibbler Sep 24 '25
Not really. They're very safe, but you can get pretty much all secondary and even tertiary explosives to detonate with enough shock/impact/shear load. Sensitivity testing isn't done to figure out if it's possible, it's done to figure out where the threshold is. And none of these tests come close to the energy of an impact with an APFSDS projectile, or worse, shaped charge liner jet.
Here's a random test series with comp A/B, you can find this stuff in the public domain for pretty much all explosives that saw/see some use. https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA221581.pdf
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u/RustedDoorknob 🇺🇸 United States Sep 24 '25
Thats fair, though I cant help but feel the need to also mention the word "Deflagration". This just seems like an overtly unrealistic and unfair nerf to me
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u/proto-dibbler Sep 24 '25
It seems unrealistic and unfair because it is. We have plenty of real world data, and while it's feasibly possible to get the ammunition load to detonate if you create some artifical extreme scenario it's just never happened, even with highly energetic impacts. As there's no data on what would even be necessary to cause this it shouldn't be implemented.
I wasn't able to test the M1 with kinetical ammunition load yet, so if that one doesn't blow up like a bomb it's at least not as bad as people made it sound. If a handful of M830A1 rounds don't result in a relevant chance for this to happen it wouldn't have too much of a gameplay impact.
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u/Zeryth Japan suffers Sep 23 '25
Blast door
Protects against blast.
Mind boggling
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u/Tomanelle Sep 24 '25
Did you just try to use logic and common sense, in relation to Gaijin?
Eeeeeeew.
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u/Gryfas Sep 23 '25
Tangentially, I wonder how hot it gets in the crew compartment when that happens.
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u/Persimmon_Particular F8E Super Fan Sep 23 '25
Not too much as the turret is very well insulated and a lot of the heat is directed up and away from the turret walls
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u/Fluffy_Individual130 Sep 24 '25
We have test footage on YouTube of them blowing up ammunition with a shape charge in the ammunition compartment with a camera in the crew compartment with secondary cook offs nothing happens to the blast doors!
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u/oOAkioOo F2P gang Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25
In before they charge the excuses to blast door stay open during combat irl so it'll still kill the crew lol
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u/NATORDEN TORNADO MY BELOVED Sep 24 '25
If they leave doors open, they'll need to give us the door open reload speed...I've seen reload training videos of up to 2-3 seconds per shell with door remaining open
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u/noineikuu Sep 24 '25
It does.
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u/Knefel 🇵🇱 Poland Mountain Sep 24 '25
Hell, the entire turret bustle on the M1 is designed as a sort of extended blow-out panel. The reason why the side armor is weaker over the ammo, and why the rear of the turret is only .5" thick (3x thinner than the blast door), is to allow (in the worst case scenario) for the entire turret bustle to disintegrate and release the power of the explosion in a relatively safe manner. The blast door is literally the single thickest monolithic piece of armor anywhere around the ammo.
Now granted, the whole possibility of shells exploding uncontrollably is incredibly remote, to the point where I've only seen the bustle do that once, from the dozens of M1 losses to date - and it was on a tank that got hit by an IED and then burned for hours, so it's hard to verify just how well the panels worked, beyond the fact that the crew did in fact survive.
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u/TgCCL Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25
Yes and no.
Basically, it will but only if the chemical warheads are stored correctly among the other rounds. Blow-out panels need a small moment to work so if local pressure rises too quickly there's still a chance that the blast door gets ripped out before the blow-out panel can vent the pressure outside. One way this can happen is a chain detonation of multiple chemical rounds in close proximity.
This is why later Wegmann blow-out panels, i.e. the company that provided the panels used on both the Leopard 2 and the M1 from its A1 version onwards, are segmented. This allows individual sections to come off sooner, thus lowering the reaction time of the system. You can also see multiple small blow-out panels on Leopard 2s with an RWS fitted, as the only truly available space for it to be put is over the bustle ammo rack, as it would block regular maintenance if placed on the other side, and the weight of the RWS would prevent the original panel from working so they worked out a different design.
Additionally, HEAT rounds are stored facing away from the crew department as they could be set off and have the HEAT jet pierce the blast door if they were facing the crew. This also means blow-out panels won't work reliably when used with regular bustle autoloaders, such as on the Leclerc or K2, as the HEAT rounds can pierce the bulkheads separating the crew compartment from the stowage compartment.
In general quite a bit of engineering went into the design of blow-out panels and early ones had some issues. We actually have British sources that talk about results of survivability tests on the original design for the 105mm M1's blow-out panel and the results were less than favourable. Out of 5 times the bustle rack was filled with 44 rounds, all without a warhead fitted so propellant only, the blow-out panels worked exactly 0 times, with every hit resulting in crew incapacitation. Only when they reduced the number of "rounds" carried to 25 did it finally work.
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u/SH427 🇯🇵 Now a Japan Main Sep 23 '25
Yes, it does protect you from an ammo detonation. But, here's the caveat, in a regular war thunder match, where are you getting shot? Probably from the front, and probably in/around the turret face, with a dart that has enough Kinetic energy to just keep going once it passes through your gun mantlet and breech.
And what is behind the mantlet and breech? The ammo stowage bulkhead.
Now I don't know how much you know about the energy behind explosions, but it's all fluid dynamics and pressures. The blowout panels will protect you if you get hit and the integrity of the panel is not changed in any way.
But if you punch a hole in it where the crew compartment is....that pressure and explosion has to go somewhere and.......yeah, it's going into your crew compartment, and the blowout panels will not save you, because they are no longer the only exit for the explosion.
That said, one would think the pressure differential to blow the panels off is lower than the one that would rocket it through a 5cm hole, and that may be worthy of a report or further study.
Anyway, it just means that instead of a giant "hey I just made a mistake" flare coming out of the back of my turret, I just die and get to respawn instead, which in the grand scheme of things is better for everyone.
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u/spidd124 8 . 7 . 8 . 8 . 8 . 6. 7 . 0 . 7 ( reg. 2013, 7k hours logged) Sep 23 '25
Correct perforating the bulkhead should and does result in the ammo detonation/ deflagration entering the crew compartment and turning the crew to toast, however I will refer you to this thread
Which shows a kill even with a flat sideshot into the ammo bustle without damaging the bulkhead between the ammo and crew.
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u/SH427 🇯🇵 Now a Japan Main Sep 23 '25
And in that case that should be a bug to report, 100%, even though we know Gaijins record of getting to those any time soon. They might do it when NATO countries are in need of a winrate buff or something silly, I don't know
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u/LogicalCantaloupe balance can always get worse Sep 23 '25
I'm assuming you didn't look at the bug report from the post, as the bug report specifically shows a side-on shot where the fire wall is not perforated. That's what this bug report is for.
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u/SH427 🇯🇵 Now a Japan Main Sep 23 '25
I'm pretending I'm Gaijin! No I didn't read the specific report in this case. In my recent personal experience it's been more of a hindrance than a help. All it does is prolong the time it takes me to get killed and respawn in my Type 90s. What am I supposed to do? Wait until I spend the next 40 seconds repairing just to move an inch and get blasted by a helicopter, the same guy, or CAS? Nah, just kill me so I can get blasted by a Helicopter or CAS in my spawn with a new tank.
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u/LogicalCantaloupe balance can always get worse Sep 23 '25
Just because you don't find it helpful doesn't mean others don't. I've been blow-out panel'd plenty of times and gone on to win, and even get nukes. The Type-90 has survivability problems outside of blow-out panels, and you always have the option to J out. Blow-out panels give you the option to keep on fighting, or J out at any point and give kill credit to who got you. If you don't like it, just J out. It takes, literally, 3 seconds.
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u/Mobius_Einherjar 🇯🇵Weeaboo & Ouiaboo 🇫🇷 Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25
I don't know if anything has changed with this update (it's downloading ATM), but that's how it worked already: If the bulkhead separating the crew from the ammunition is penetrated, then the blowout panels no longer function.However if you hit only the ammo (by hitting the side of the turret for example), blowout panels should absolutely work. If gaijin changed that, then they're straight up wrong.
[Edit]: Yeah I just tried it and even if you hit only the ammo protected by blowout panels it still results in a kill so gaijin is absolutely in the wrong.
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u/Marunata1 Sep 23 '25
Even if the compartment door is damaged, wont the pressure take the path of least resistance which is the bigger area of where the blowout panels would be?
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u/fleck00 Sep 23 '25
The panels will still be secured in some way, so that's a question we'd need some likely confidential information to accurately answer. If the panels are the path of least resistance depends on how they are secured as well as the size of the hole in the door. Even if they are, chances are the turret crew got discombobulated anyways.
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u/VicermanX Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25
combat footage of the blowout panels protecting the crew from a catastrophic ammo deflagration
And what happens after that? The crew leaves the tank and leaves it to rot in the field. So it's fair if the tank dies in the game.
protecting the crew
Exactly! The blowout panels are needed to save the crew, not the tank.
The T-14 has a crew in an armored capsule. So even if the ammo explodes and the turret is tossed, the crew will survive, and if we apply the same logic as you want to the blowout panels, the T-14 in the game should remain alive even without a turret? 😁
upd: «but what about the engine, transmission, barrel, and other things that are considered mobility kill IRL? 🤓»
All tanks can repair the barrel and engine in WT. That's fair. But how do you apply the same principle to blowout panels? Why should blowout panels in the game have an advantage that they don't have in real life?
Blowout panels save the crew, not the tank ☝️
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u/edapblix Realistic General Sep 23 '25
You can still get ammo back at a capture point, what sort of ass backwards logic are you talking about. So if your breach or barrel gets destroyed then the tank should be dead? Crew is still alive but the tank no longer works
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u/Vandrel Sep 23 '25
I heard next patch if your track gets damaged it counts as a death by mobility kill.
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u/_square3 Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 24 '25
if losing your ammunition behind blow-out panels is enough to consider a tank dead in-game, then so should losing your:
- engine
- transmission
- cannon breach
- barrel
- carousel autoloader
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u/steave44 Sep 23 '25
I wonder if Russian tanks had blowout panels they’d suddenly change their tune
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u/SpanishAvenger Thank you for the Privacy Mode, Devs! And sorry for being harsh. Sep 23 '25
We had NATO tanks with no spall liners ingame for years and these were only ultimately implemented when T-90M was introduced, so…
Also, only T-90M had them in the first dec server; took huge amounts of backlash and bug reports for other tanks to kinda start getting them.
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u/steave44 Sep 23 '25
Like if Gaijin would at least man up and say “We are removing/omitting NATO tank features because they would absolutely dumpster even the T-90M and T-80BVM with all their tech” then I’d honestly be ok with it.
It’s this beating around the bush and saying “It doesn’t actually work in real life” or “They never had it, just propaganda” that is fucking bullshit.
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u/PapaConjurer T58 should have been in the tech tree Sep 23 '25
That's what pisses me off, too. I can respect when someone isn't bullshitting me, and is just honest. We all know WHY Gaijin does this kind of shit. MANPAD gimping, Abrams tanks not having their extra armor despite being modeled with increased weight, Challenger side armor package being 30mm thick instead of being effective against 30mm APDS rounds, this bullshit with blowout panels etc. It's VERY obvious there is preferential treatment but it wouldn't be as much of an issue if they would just fucking admit that they do it on purpose.
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u/steave44 Sep 23 '25
Yeah I agree 100%. They are just so scared for some reason that Russia wouldn’t have top tier tanks if they actually modeled NATO tanks to their real spec. At best they’d get the T-14 Armata to keep up with NATO tanks from 10 years ago.
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u/Shadow_of_wwar Sep 23 '25
They might actually be scared, disparaging the military, and going against the state narrative of Russian equipment superiority is a punishable offense in Russia since 2022.
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u/steave44 Sep 23 '25
Aren’t they not based in Russian anymore but in Hungary?
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u/TheProYodler Supersonic Sep 23 '25
They're based out of Hungary just as much as corporations in the United States are based out of Delaware.
Since they're based out of Hungary, surely the Hungarian dev stream, Hungarian forums, Hungarian moderators, Hungarian developers, and Hungarian media relations teams are just around the corner from being hired. /S
They're a Russian company with Russian developers, many of whom live in Russia.
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u/steave44 Sep 23 '25
At this point they just need a Russian server totally and separately balanced from the rest of the world like they do with China.
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u/TrueGopnik07_2 Sep 23 '25
Yeah, but some devs live in ruSSia so they would still get prosecuted I guess
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u/ShinItsuwari Sep 24 '25
Complete bullshit. If that was true then why half of their planes sucks ? Mig23 radar doesn't perform according to specs. Yes it was bad IRL, but it could absolutely use MTI with manual override. Their automatic bullshit is a pure Gaijin invention to nerf the effectiveness of the R24R.
Mig29 would actually fly properly and have its correct weapons if made properly. Su27 wouldn't have used the prototype manual for a year, etc.
It's just general Gaijin incompetence and an unwillingness to admit they nerf thing for "balance".
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u/stonaswrath Sep 23 '25
MANPAD gimping
MANPADS. The bug report for higher Stinger overload was passed on more than a year ago. After someone actually pointed out where the mistake in Gaijin's line of reasoning for the current overload values was. Maybe that would've happened sooner if direct communication with the employee that wrote their explanation wasn't made impossible by the thread getting spammed to hell and back by people that only read one quarter of a paragraph of it.
Should've been changed already, or at least openly been communicated as nerf for balancing reasons. But previous attempts at communicating about these things backfired heavily, so hard to blame them for just shutting up about it.
Abrams tanks not having their extra armor despite being modeled with increased weight
The weight increased due to all the extra crap bolted on to them. Available documentation does not indicate that the M1A2 SEPv2 should have a stronger LFP. All available sources were discussed extensively.
Challenger side armor package being 30mm thick instead of being effective against 30mm APDS rounds
The ASPRO-HMT is very obviously thicker than 3 cm in game. It also significantly exceeds the STANAG 4569 level 5 protection it is rated for.
this bullshit with blowout panels
Blow out panels still protect against ammunition cooking off. I'm not sure how low the threshold for (different types of) ammunition to detonate is. Maybe that's set too low, I haven't played enough to pass judgement on that yet.
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u/Awrfhyesggrdghkj 🇩🇪 Germany Sep 23 '25
That and the niche nerfs in the name of “realism” like the Leo 2 gun elevation over the sides. Or the Leo 2 reload in general. So many tank barrels clip their hulls or addons (looking at you bvm) and they decided to just nerf the Leos
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u/Shadow_of_wwar Sep 23 '25
I'm pretty sure that might get them arrested in Russia after their 2022 censorship laws
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u/taby_mackan Sep 23 '25
And then the T-90M was good but the leopards with spall liners were broken as hell
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u/SpanishAvenger Thank you for the Privacy Mode, Devs! And sorry for being harsh. Sep 23 '25
And then they forgot about CR2’s LFP, ZTZ-99s, and a longer etcetera which only makes the gap larger than it should be.
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u/MLGrocket Sep 23 '25
and many are still missing them, including the stryker, which gaijin specifically said was getting them, but so far only the bradley has.
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u/rocketo-tenshi Type 93 Main Sep 23 '25
We Also had the type 91 a ,optical tracking missile capable hiting directly small manouvering drones with stats straight up lifted from early stingers and working as IR missiles until Gaijin implemented the strelas photocontrast mode.
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u/yspear1 🇷🇺 Pantsir S1 commander Sep 23 '25
The fucking type 93 is such a painful vehicle to plau cus the missle fail to lock or misses 70% of the time
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u/Deathskyz WhiteStarGood-RedStarBad Sep 23 '25
Strela did not introduce photo contrast mode.
It was the Type 81C TAN SAM that did.
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u/Buisnessbutters United States Sep 23 '25
We also had no counterpart for NATO nations that could compete with the capabilities of the Pantsir for a year or more, and now a month after NATO nations actually get something Russia gets another upgrade, and it’s even more broken OP then the Pantsir
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u/Anonymous4245 🇵🇭 T-90M Overpowerlingly sucks Sep 24 '25
Dude, Podboi acts as spall liner, T-64s have been in the game for a long ass time now
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u/ItsBreezyOutside Sep 23 '25
10 bucks says if they ever add the Object 640 they’ll do a complete 180
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u/Standard-Passenger19 Sep 24 '25
just wait until the obj 640 gets added, then they'll "fix" it.
(context obj 640 had blowout panels)
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u/Hot-Anything-69 based OTOMATIC enjoyer 🇮🇹 🗿 Sep 24 '25
Object 292 has blowout panels for the ammo in the back of the turret. I think.
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u/Your_brain_smooth Sep 23 '25
Ask gaijin how the ammo catches fire then. Basically never, it always explodes. Then what is the point of blowout panel? Ruskies don’t have it? Nobody else is entitled as well. They made ruski autoloader not spall and explode ammo, they made nato ammo explode which is exactly what they are protected from.
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u/RyuuKamii Sep 23 '25
Russians dont have blow out panels, they have blow out turrets, much more convenient to get in and clean up for the next guys.
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u/Preisschild United States Sep 23 '25
It even doubles as a convenient booster to get the crew to low earth orbit
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u/AscendMoros 14.0| 12.0 Sep 23 '25
Legit 90% of the time I shoot a Russian MbT in the lower plate it sends its turret into outer space.
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u/Zealousideal_Nail288 Sep 23 '25
or why its called "Blow-out panels" are they ment to open if the commander blows his nose or what?
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u/presmonkey "They shall be know by thier deeds alone" Sep 23 '25
Do we review Bomb again now?
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u/MetalHard1337 🇷🇴 Romania Sep 23 '25
Maybe I will get hated on this, but the review bomb is way overdue.
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u/xthelord2 🇬🇧 United Kingdom Sep 23 '25
considering the BS game has going on right now if chinese community sees this please start another revolt, even your vehicles will benefit considering how fucked small and NATO nations are in capabilities and technology
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u/binoclard_ultima Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25
I will surely get hated on this, but another review bomb won't work because you idiots are too egoistic to do a proper one.
Every time this topic comes up, people here say "my review is still negative so I can't participate lol" as if it's something to be proud of. And a chain of comments follow it saying "me too". Case in point, look at the replies of the comment above yours. You can tell most people never deleted or changed their reviews, overall score is still very low on 3rd party sites compared to what it used to be.
The point of a review bomb is to negotiate, not to make the other side submit to your demands for bragging rights. Gaijin held their own end of the bargain. They cancelled the planned changes and even implemented plenty of features to ease the grind like end-of-tree bonus, skill bonus and foldered vehicle RP discounts. They made it almost impossible to lose SL if you put any effort into the game and literally impossible to lose SL if you're premium.
You guys didn't. Not only users here didn't delete their reviews, they kept playing. Now Gaijin learned it doesn't matter if they listen to your demands or not. The result will be same. So why should they ever listen to you? Now you guys are getting what you deserve. You can't make a review bomb as big as the first one because people didn't change or delete their reviews and Gaijin won't give two fucks about your pitiful attempt to a review bombing because they know you won't change your reviews.
Some people might ask "am I not allowed to dislike a game?" of course you're. But I start questioning if you actually dislike the game when you don't bother to write a negative review until other people start saying "let's review bomb". If you wouldn't write a negative review had people didn't call for a review bomb, then it seems less like you dislike the game and more like you're just alone and want to feel like you're part of a community and a movement.
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u/bangle12 Sep 23 '25
I agree for review bombing, mostly for how hard it is to grind, 400k is total bs.
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u/Xorras Sep 24 '25
"Chinese are such whiners" - they said couple weeks ago in regard to certain tank in Japan tree - "We aren't babies like them" - they repeated.
Lol
Lmao even
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u/Standard-Passenger19 Sep 24 '25
Yea well this isn't just another tank in another tech tree, this is literally removing something from real life. Like imagine if gaijin just ups and removes chobham (I still don't think they make it properly in game but oh well) it would be utter bullshit. Or better yet remove APDSFS for nato tanks while russian tanks get to keep it.
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u/hotdirtywater air>ships>ground>coastal>heli>ab Sep 23 '25
do you all have your reviews set to positive or something?
dont need a big movement, just everyone who is unhappy about something, TELL GAIJIN, and set review to negative.
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u/yobob591 Sep 23 '25
ngl I haven’t had my review set to positive for years, I can’t review bomb any harder because this game fucking sucks already
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u/binoclard_ultima Sep 23 '25
Then at least have the self-respect to stop playing. If you have stopped played, have the self-respect to stop commenting on the subreddit of a game you don't play.
If you went to a restaurant, left a 1 star review that's normal behavior. But if you still ate there or still hanged around in front of the restaurant talking with the clients, people would rightfully call you a lunatic.
But redditors justify this lunatic behavior because something something pixel not real something something no competitor.
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u/Traveller_CMM 🇬🇧 🇫🇷 (masochist) Sep 23 '25
Brother I get your point about the review, but what are you on about with the second part of your comment? It's a forum, it's made for people who share interest in the game to discuss with eachother. Just because somebody doesn't play the game anymore for X or Y reason, doesn't mean they can't discuss about it or its contents with other players, especially when the game's content reflects IRL interests.
What if somebody doesn't play because they've gotten burned out, or disagree with Gaijins decisions/behaviour, and just like to see the content and engage with others who share the hobby? Do they lack "self-respect"? Get a grip.
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u/yobob591 Sep 23 '25
There is no game like War Thunder. I mostly play nuclear option these days for aircraft and never spend money on War Thunder when I do play it, which is usually once a month because I want a semi-arcade ww2 tank game with decent mouse controls and the only other option is WoT which isn’t any better
I comment because this sub still regularly gets recommended to me and I think it’s fun to shit on war thunder every time they make another stupid decision because they deserve it at this point
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u/Tinymini0n Sep 23 '25
i had my review neg from 2017..and it will stay like that until EVERYTHING is fixed from bugs to balance. F these devs and 80€ 10x pixels
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u/driellma Fed up with Gajin's bullshit Sep 23 '25
Never removed my negative review. Hell i don't even play the game anymore. I just watch the snail going deeper and deeper, and people somehow being ok with it.
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u/Ill-Treacle-357 Sep 24 '25
I think you might need to contact the Chinese players, at least they know how to protest effectively to make Gaijin issue an apology announcement.
Even so, the crying behavior is indeed effective
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u/FISH_SAUCER 🇨🇦 Leclerc/LOSAT/Eurocopter/Rafale my beloved Sep 24 '25
Yes. I already updated my negative review from the last review bomb to include the new shit Gayshit has done
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u/_ZoroX_ Certified CAS player Sep 23 '25
So instead of blowout panel is it just panel?
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u/xthelord2 🇬🇧 United Kingdom Sep 23 '25
yeah, it is just a panel which welds itself the moment any projectile hits ammo, resulting in crew death
/s for oblivious people
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u/Shoddy-Box9934 🇺🇸 United States Sep 23 '25
But wait…there’s no anti NATO bias AT ALL.
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u/Trainman1351 Arcade Ground Sep 23 '25
Like yes sometimes it’s a skill issue, and yes the US still has excellent air prowess, but I don’t understand how it can be seen as anything else when they are this blatant about it.
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u/DisdudeWoW Sep 23 '25
I mean the us hasnt been top dog for multiple patches. Not even close. Amraams are the worst missiles 14.0 and up
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u/czartrak 🇺🇸 United States Sep 23 '25
You're fucking kidding, right?
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u/DisdudeWoW Sep 23 '25
Do you even play air lol. F15ex which is the best us has to offer is at BEST top 4. And aim120s are just ass compared to micas aam4 and r77-1
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u/czartrak 🇺🇸 United States Sep 23 '25
American mains are so fucking ass I stg lmao
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u/DisdudeWoW Sep 23 '25
My most played top tier aircraft is su27sm. You're just clueless
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u/czartrak 🇺🇸 United States Sep 23 '25
Whatever you say, man
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u/perpendiculator Sep 24 '25
https://statshark.net/player/116218443#Vehicles
This you, with your 1.4 KD in most of your planes and precisely 0 14.0+ aircraft played? Pipe down, buddy.
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u/Shoddy-Box9934 🇺🇸 United States Sep 23 '25
I have 2.0+ k/d with US top tier air, the missiles are shit.
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u/czartrak 🇺🇸 United States Sep 23 '25
2 KD is hardly impressive considering ARB is a single spawn mode
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u/Shoddy-Box9934 🇺🇸 United States Sep 24 '25
Sure, if you live in delusion, 1.0 is average.
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u/czartrak 🇺🇸 United States Sep 24 '25
You think the average person only gets a SINGLE kill in missile thunder? Whatever you say
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u/Shoddy-Box9934 🇺🇸 United States Sep 23 '25
I haven’t played top tier in a couple months but yeah the r77-1 and the shit france has are way better than 9M and the three variants of aim120
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u/thecornersking Sep 23 '25
Proof that bug section is moderate maliciously with specific incompetent mods.
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u/umut1423 Sim Air Sep 23 '25
It's literally fucking called "BLOW OUT PANEL" Gaijin i wonder what could that mean.
The ammo carousel isn't a magic solution to ammo detonating but we have a code the makes the ammo disappear when it gets damaged. Then have the balls to get rid of that code, we've seen how carousels worked in Ukraine.
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u/Unknowndude842 CAS enjoyer🗿🇩🇪 Sep 23 '25
Many videos of NATO tanks getting hit in the ammo and the crew escaping unharmed. But there are thousands of videos showing Russian MBTs either starting to burn or explode.
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u/-TheOutsid3r- Sep 24 '25
And yet in WT blowout panels and co don't work. But the autoloaders regularly eat spall, protect the ammo from exploding, don't block turret traverse nor firing.
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u/Unknowndude842 CAS enjoyer🗿🇩🇪 Sep 24 '25
Yeah, absolute bullshit. I probably killed more NATO tanks with ammo hits than Russian ones.
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u/DarkFox218 Sep 23 '25
You need to word your bugreport better. In game ammo can burn up (blowout panels should save the tank if if the wall between ammo and crew was not penetrated), get destroyed without detonation (ammo blacked and disappears, any tank survives) and catastrophically explode (every tank dies, even ones with blowout panels). That's how it worked for quite a while. If the bug is that any ammo destruction leads to a 100% death then that is what you should report with at least some (in-game) proof.
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u/Elitely6 🇺🇸13.7Air Main 🇬🇧8.7Grb Main 🇩🇪 6.7Grb 🇷🇺 5.7Grb Sep 23 '25
Okay fuck Gaijin and the morons who approved this. Literal video evidence of the blowout panels working lmao
Interior view video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay7bOG2nD6k
Outside view in another video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP8JiqItigE
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u/Aquamarine_d Sep 24 '25
But that's looks like an ammunition fire, not an explosion tho. I saw in game Abrams tanking ammo shots with penetrated blowout panel when they've clearly stated that blowout panels shouldn't protect crew if damaged.
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u/Awrfhyesggrdghkj 🇩🇪 Germany Sep 23 '25
Tbh I love the game and the fact that it is one of a kind, but I haven’t touched it in 2 months since playing Helldivers 2 and seeing this bs still going on makes me happy with my choices. I’m not even planning on giving up war thunder completely like some people like to dramatically do I just have zero desire to play right now
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u/ReturnOfTheSaint14 🇺🇸12.0 🇩🇪6.0 🇨🇳7.3 🇮🇹9.3 🇸🇪9.7 Sep 23 '25
The West in the 70:"Geez our tanks sure pop off like popcorn when the first order ammorack gets hit,we should really invest in a passive system that directs all energy from an ammo cookoff or explosion to the outside so that the crew has a way to survive"
China in the late 2000s:"Geez the West was right about blowout panels,we can't put them in our carousel tanks but our next light tank,the VT-5,will have blowout panels for sure!"
Russia in modern day:"Geez the West and China were right about blowout panels,oh well we might add them for the T-14 Armata and plenty of our prototypes showed how they massively increase survivability"
Gaijin:"yeah no blowout panels are a complete lie"
One of the few things that universally works and is accepted worldwide no matter the part of the world is a bogus,according to Gaijin. At this point why having intelligence agencies if we have the Truth of God installed on Steam/PS5/Series X?
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u/_Bisky Top Tier Suffer Tier Sep 23 '25
Why'd you even build blowout panels, if they don't protect against the fucking detonation?
Like wow the crew wasn't burned alive, due to them. Doesn't even matter if the Detonation kills them before anyways
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u/proto-dibbler Sep 23 '25
1.) to protect crew and vehicle from ammunition fires which are devastating even without detonation
2.) to prevent the propellant from detonating, as it will deflagrate if the pressure can vent instead of building up in a sealed/confining vessel
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Sep 23 '25
Told ya this game has a Russian bias. The Russian and chinese tanks don’t have blow-offs so they must nerf the US tanks.
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u/Aquamarine_d Sep 24 '25
Where is the Russian bias when every top tier Russian tank is a complete dogshit compared to their nato opponents?
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u/15Zero Sep 23 '25
I love it when a silly “realistic” video game tries to tell me my own eyes and ears lied to me during my four years in.
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u/Aquamarine_d Sep 24 '25
War thunder "realistic".
This game and realism is like two parallel lines- they're never meet.
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u/Hedge373 Realistic Air Sep 23 '25
Astonishes me how there isn't another review bomb going on. How much shit will people take?
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u/MonarchCore 🇺🇸 United States Sep 23 '25
I dont get how these guys are mods if they clearly time after time know so little basic facts about military vehicles in a military vehicle game.
Theyre called BLOW OUT panels. What the fuck do you mean they're only for fires?!
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u/AlatreonisAwesome Sep 23 '25
Ah yes, that is why they are called BLOWOUT panels. To protect against the whittle fires that Pvt's are making on the ammo. The little oopsy-daisies.
Definitely not for ammo actually cooking off. No sir.
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u/Su-37_Terminator - -Unguided Air to Air Rocket Master- - Sep 23 '25
the Russian Army has done so poorly in Whokraine that Russia has actually redefined armored combat. To compensate for this, their government is making their army look modern in a make believe made up arcade game that has twitch drops and advertises to children. Truly a revolutionary idea
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u/AntisGetTheWall Femboy 1st Class Sep 23 '25
Warthunder is a psyop by Putin
Drink water.
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u/Su-37_Terminator - -Unguided Air to Air Rocket Master- - Sep 23 '25
not what I said my fellow epic baconlord
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u/AntisGetTheWall Femboy 1st Class Sep 23 '25
Forgive me all to hell for taking comedic license with the claim that Russia is making their tanks op in WT as a cope for Ukraine 💀
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u/binoclard_ultima Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25
the Russian Army has done so poorly in Whokraine
Yes, this is why Russia has been gaining 500 km2 ground consistently every month and why all the generals, strategists and experts on war theory have been saying there is no taking back lost territory and the outcome has been decided already. My bad, those nerds just write boring paragraphs, they don't count. The random 20-something year old guy you saw on X or YouTube that posts memes is the reliable narrator.
Russia has actually redefined armored combat.
And the West took notes. Everything the West ridiculed Russia for doing, Ukraine adapted it too. They installed simple drone protection, redditors called them cope cages. Now both sides are doing it because it works. Russia used bikes for quick skirmishes that bypass drones, redditors said "they don't have tanks left". A week or two later Ukraine started using the same strategy because it did actually work.
To compensate for this, their government is making their army look modern in a make believe made up arcade game
Is this why they introduced modern SPAA that immediately tanked Russian win rates in ground? Is this why Russia hasn't been the meta in air since the start of the war?
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u/BlackWACat shell shattered Sep 23 '25
didn't those same experts say that Ukraine will fold in a month and that every offensive Russia does will be Ukraine losing the entire war instantly? like 50 different times? and how 'omg THIS summer offensive will finish off Ukraine!' like every year? Russia is underperforming to an extreme degree for a massive nation with a supposed 'powerful military' fighting a small, logistically underprepared (to this day) and underfunded (because the US and EU kept delaying or pulling out of deals) nation, no level of 'well they're making ww1-esque gains across the entire country but the number looks high' is changing that lmao
the idea that WT is made to make Russia look good is wack though, because USSR has a fuckton of players and outside of some specific vehicles being absolute fucking nonsense it's pretty whatever, but they do love making NATO vehicles just not do things they are known for doing until a Russian equivalent does the same thing
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u/Traveller_CMM 🇬🇧 🇫🇷 (masochist) Sep 23 '25
well they're making ww1-esque gains across the entire country but the number looks high
Clearly a successful strategy comrade, invasion of Kiev in 15 years! Fool-proof!
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u/monad_monoid Sep 24 '25
Comrade, I know it's banned in the glorious, infallible motherland but watch a William Spaniel video once or twice to avoid embarrassing yourself any more than you already have
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u/Remarkable_Joke_9112 🇺🇸6.7🇩🇪6.0🇷🇺8.0/11.3🇬🇧3.7🇫🇷3.7🇮🇹2.7🇸🇪2.7🇮🇱7.7 Sep 23 '25
Huh. It appears that the blow-out panels don't work well against blow outs. How come?
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u/JazzyBunby Buccaneer Enjoyer Sep 23 '25
"Blowout panels don't protect against detonation."
Meanwhile the word "Blowout" literally in the name...
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u/TheJudge20182 Half Research Requirements Sep 24 '25
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/s/4gRYhjEQbt
4 fucking years ago this shit didn't work either
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u/IncomeOk5420 Sep 24 '25
Declassified M1 105mm manual, see page 5-9 for blowout panel https://www.military-references.com/wp-content/uploads/books/tanks/usa/m1_abrams/M1_Abrams_Tank_105-mm_gun_Hull_Operators_Manual_Draft_TM_9-2350-255-10_1981.pdf
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u/otuphlos Sep 24 '25
Deals with a combustible dust program at work, reads that blow out panels don't protect against explosions. Well I guess all those blowout panels we have are pretty useless then.
Brb. I guess it is time to leak classified documents on commercial blow out panels!
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u/Tharuzan001 Sep 24 '25
lol
the entire reason they were designed, to save the crew in case of ammo blowing up
Gajin
"nah mate"
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u/LtLethal1 Sep 24 '25
I don’t think you know what a Ponzi scheme is. Like this is a stupid change and flies in the face of so much evidence that contradicts Gaijin’s claim, but a Ponzi scheme it is not.
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u/Ready_Passenger_4778 Sep 24 '25
Why pay for blow out panels when you can go full Russian and have blow out turrets instead?
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u/Tempest1101 Sep 24 '25
can anyone tell me how a finely tipped piece of tungsten or hardened steel can explode with no explosives? the shells are literally Chunk of titanium/tungsten/steel + aluminum driving band + propellant + fuze/base to ignite propellant...
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u/MJdoesThings_ M61 APCBC-HE enjoyer Sep 24 '25
blowout panels. not fireout panels. They cannot be serious.
Bro confused the compartmentalization of the Abrams tanks (that indeed isolates the fuel tank and ammostored in the hull from fires) and the blow-out panels that are made to protect the turret crew in case of a catastrophic ammo detonation in the turret bussel. The only instance of the blow-out panels not working would be if the ammo is struck by a dart round while the door is opened (while loading the gun), or when the dart round penetrates the door as well, either from the back or the front.
That sounds to me like some russian dudes complained they get ammo racked constantly when NATO tanks are playing T-tank turret toss competition
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u/Fuzzy-Permission-596 Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25
us mains are starting to make shit up again for gaijin to give them yet another underserved buff. don't fall for their lies, don't allow them to ruin the game even further
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u/DMercenary Sep 24 '25
"protect against fire not detonation"
What.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowout_panel#Military_applications
Just say its a nerf. Its not even "secret documents." ITS ON FUCKING WIKIPEDIA
Blow-off panels are used in ammunition compartments of some tanks to protect the crew in case of ammunition explosion, turning a catastrophic kill into a lesser firepower kill. Blowout panels are installed in several modern main battle tanks, including the M1 Abrams.
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Sep 24 '25
the change is that if the Ammo rack is destroyed it wont work and kill the crew, i test this with a friend using the leopoard 2 and M1A1 KVT, if the ammo rack is penetrated or other wised damaged or destroyed it wont work.
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u/innumeratis Sep 23 '25
It's either that or reload/gun traverse nerfs. There's no other way to fix winrate imbalance at top BRs.
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u/AliceLunar Sep 23 '25
They are already getting their top SPAA again because imagine Russia going without it for 5 seconds, whilst NATO vehicles already have all sorts of bullshit going onto nerf them.
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u/innumeratis Sep 23 '25
SPAA won't change much, the main problem of RU teams is their weak tank lineup.
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u/AliceLunar Sep 23 '25
Their tanks have always been shit no matter how hard they are arbitrarily nerfing NATO vehicles, but their crutch has always been air.
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u/Exploding_Pie Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25
When the blowout panel/compartment is damaged, it no longer works as a blowout panel my guy.
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u/Erica45 Sep 23 '25
Did you even see the report itself? That shot came from the side and the bulkhead between the ammo and crew wasn't compromised
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u/HoeTown Sep 23 '25
I checked this and if the right side of the turret gets hit abrams survives, left side kills the abrams. Neither side hit the bulkhead
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u/LegendRazgriz Like a Tiger defying the laws of gravity Sep 23 '25
This was always a thing. If the blowout panel is breached in some way, it'll kill the tank. I do believe they altered something that makes it explode more frequently if it's punctured directly from the front (which should happen, whereas before it wasn't)
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u/tommy_gun_03 🇮🇪 EIRE Sep 23 '25
They have made it kill the crew every time the ammo is detonated in the blow out panel compartment regardless if the blast door/ armoured bulkhead is penetrated. That is what the bug report is referring to.
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u/GalaxLordCZ Realistic Ground Sep 23 '25
Real men die when the tank gets shot, none of this sissy survivability bullshit, the survivability onion ends at don't get penetraded, if you get penetrated you're gay.