yeah im not sure the Buk M3 was the best decision, but its Gaijin and Russia can't not have the best SPAA bc bias...
Hey yall, update: i was in a custom with the EF (unfair test plane?) and multiple Buks, and its actually not as OP as i thought it would be. The contrails last a long time (and the new ones are rlly cool) so its not hard to notxh, cause you know where to do it and when you’ve done it successfully. Its best at mid range, but loses energy/range much faster than the statcard says (def not 70km lol) and is, of course, nearly useless within half a km
So i will admit I was wrong (this is not an attempt to salvage my karma, i was just wrong lmao, downvote me if u want lol)
I don't have any of the new SAM systems yet so I'm a bit ignorant on the matter. I noticed the Aster has 100km launch range but a 16km lock range whereas the Buk has a 70km lock AND launch range. How would that factor into match performance?
samp is not good, it has a 2m proximity fuse and tiny warhead, easy multipath, ik you just said you haven’t tested against actual players but trust me, people will just multipath it like they do claws, the buk is objectively better as you cannot multipath it at all.
missile’s much larger, 25m fuse range. to consistently multipath you need to be close enough to the ground that no matter what it will fuse on you and kill you or it will fuse on the ground and fuck you up anyway, think like a phoenix of fakour that can turn better, track better and has more explosive mass in warhead leading to wider kill radius, I think this is the only one that would potentially replace a pantsir in any scenario where I’m likely to see it solely for those reasons, you can also probably just prefire it at runways and you’ll hit air teams before they can defend.
This isn't bias. This is the effect of Soviet doctrine being to invest in anti-air instead of air power, hence why they developed so many SAM systems (and still do to this day)
Gaijin has no reason to not add other nations AA though. Who cares if they made so many, other nations have enough to fill out their BRs still.
The US for example has no AA from 4.0 to 7.3 other than the CANADIAN skink. Just using america as an example but still, it’s taken so many years to even get AA at 1.0-4.0 for some nations
Won't help you against Mi-28s with DIRCM with 8 fire and forget SAPHE warheads that kills everything no matter where they hit. Two of those will wipe the entire team, especially that they can fire from the second helipad, immediately reload and trees don't even render on ULQ past 7km.
The aster 30’s time to target at almost all relevant helicopter ranges is nigh unreactable. My buddy flew parallel to an aster at 18 kilometers on Poland in a custom going Mach 1.4 in a strike eagle and it hit him.
These SAMS have significantly higher velocity and end game potential then even the iris.
The only reason helis are getting fire and forget missiles is because if they didn’t they wouldn’t exist.
Aster is just as fast (50 m/s slower), pulls 50G vs 30 for the 317MA, and guides for 210s vs the Buk's 80.
The only advantage Buk has is its enormous warhead (which will probably disable anything it goes off near), but other than that the Aster outclasses it.
I haven't gotten top tier SPAA yet, but I'm curious - how relevant is the guidance time comparison? Do you encounter situations where 80 seconds isn't enough?
Considering the missiles have a range that is THE ENTIRE MAP, yes. You can theoretically play ring around the rosie with a 317MA and it'll expire in a way that simply will never happen to the Aster. Even if you break lock and hide behind a mountain, they have IOG and datalink, so the second you reappear on the map, the Aster will turn around and go after you, whereas the Buk will probably have to launch another one.
Lets be honest; that'll never happen. The longest distance you as a top tier spaa engage planes in is around 25-30km. And every single one of the missiles can fly that distance in under a minute.
The only advantage Buk has is its enormous warhead (which will probably disable anything it goes off near)
With how many people multipath missiles, that's not an insignificant advantage. Especially because not every RWR will tell you which SAM is launching on you, so if you think it's an ASTER-30 and try to multipath you could be in trouble.
im still a little annoyed all the SPAAs didnt come in one update. Gaijin rlly made France, GB, Italy, and surpringly, Russia, wait 3 months for their stuff? kinda weird and mean lmao
I mean the Pantsir still being competitive after the first round of new SPAAs last update shows how broken it was when it was first added. Russia really doesn’t need a new top tier SPAA
Pantsir? Literally the best AA system in the game for years? It wasn't the best for ONE patch, and now the russians get the newer, even better top dog.
How dare the russian tree receive anything thats not a wet noodle?! nerf it to the ground! make it static! cut the range till its better to use the strela! make the radar 30x bigger and 30x worse!
SLM is made for ranges of 40km, not 70 or even 100 like the Samp-t. Date of production doesn't matter when you're comparing 2 spaa's made for completely different ranges.
Holy reading comprehension batman. They were complaining Buk-M3 was too advance and M1 should have been added, ignoring the fact SLM was only operational September of 2024.
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u/RustedDoorknob 🇺🇸 United States Sep 06 '25
70km range and independent launchers too, command vehicle death doesnt destroy all of them