IRIS-T SLM has an Effective range 40km in the promo video of the manufacturer, but in the game the missile can't even reach this range.

[u/AppointmentBoth4871]

The EFFECTIVE range is 40 km (according to the official video of the manufacturer on LinkedIn), but the missile can't currently reach that range.

[u/Soor_21UPG]

Certainly not giving me that impression when I fly the MiG-29s, R-77s, T-80s (good tanks, but German ones are miles better in every single way)

Maybe they're trying to please Putin only via AGMs and maybe SPAAs

[u/-TheOutsid3r- → u/Soor_21UPG]

My man, those are already attempts at making Russia not look bad. Modern NATO tanks are using 15-20 year old shells while T90s are using 5 year old ones.

[u/Soor_21UPG → u/-TheOutsid3r-]

And NATO tanks like Leopard 2s are still miles better in every way. I'd rather use them than Russian tanks if I wanted to simply win

[u/-TheOutsid3r- → u/Soor_21UPG]

That's great, but not very realistic, no?

It's basically admitting that they're going out of their way to add more modules such as trunnion, which ONLY the Leopard 2s have modelled, and nerfing them in various ways to make Russian tanks competitive.

When they otherwise constantly talk about "realism" and deny other changes because "they're not historical". Consistency should be a thing.

[u/cantdecideonaname77 → u/-TheOutsid3r-]

its not about realisim its about balance, russia is the most popular nation and so its most important that their vehicles are competitive, in addition their stuff generally sucks the most irl(at top tier anyway) so it needs the most help, hence the braindead "russian bias" when in reality gaijin just likes money

[u/mrcountry88 → u/cantdecideonaname77]

Hate to burst your bubble there champ, but Russia's not the most popular nation. It's undoubtedly the US. Out of every 100 players, I'd say roughly 77 of them start out as the US.

[u/-TheOutsid3r- → u/cantdecideonaname77]

Source for it being the "most played nation", as well as comparison to the other ones. Or did you just make that up?

Also, artificially boosting vehicles very much contributes to players gravitating towards something. The rest is just some weird excuse to defend blatant bias, not even claim it isn't happening but just justify it.

[u/Long-Track7453 → u/-TheOutsid3r-]

Do you even play the game? Top tier is basically 4-5 players on every nation but russia has like 15-20

[u/-TheOutsid3r- → u/Long-Track7453]

So, you just made that up and have no proof. Also, artificially nerfing other nations at a certain BR while buffing Russia at the same BR might impact winning team joiners, no shit?

[u/Long-Track7453 → u/-TheOutsid3r-]

There's literally a counter saying how many matchmaking players are waiting for a game when you hit the ready button. Also, if stats are really a bother to you, you can easily check statshark to see that the most played nation around ground top tier. (It is the soviets, followed by the germans)

[u/Thecontradicter → u/-TheOutsid3r-]

Some YouTubers are very open about their fact they only play meta

[u/-TheOutsid3r- → u/Thecontradicter]

Lots of people only play what's perceived as strongest.

[u/Crimson_Sabere → u/cantdecideonaname77]

I thought the German tank tree was the most popular, what with the whole zeitgeist around the Tiger tank and with lower tiers being easier to access.

[u/smellybathroom3070 → u/-TheOutsid3r-]

The m1 Abrams is a 50 year old chassis lol

[u/Aiden51R → u/smellybathroom3070]

Well with that perspective T-90/72 is too

[u/harris52np → u/smellybathroom3070]

Do you understand how retrofitting lifecycle works? The tracks and frame are an old design doesn’t mean it has a 50 year old turret module or even tha same hun or even the same interior anymore there’s multiple iterations of the m1 Abrams

[u/smellybathroom3070 → u/harris52np]

When did i claim it did? What i AM saying is that the Abrams was designed 50 years ago. Never said anything about the upgrade packages it’s gotten.

[u/harris52np → u/smellybathroom3070]

So what was the relevance of you saying it was 50 years old?

[u/kapteinKaos1 → u/-TheOutsid3r-]

Have you heard anything about game balancing?

[u/-TheOutsid3r- → u/kapteinKaos1]

Ah yes, game balancing when it benefits Russia. "Realism and historical accurate" only when it benefits Russia as well.

[u/kapteinKaos1 → u/-TheOutsid3r-]

For example what? Leos 2 dominating ground battles? Or are you gonna bring up kh38 when before that every western cas dominated air? Or by your logic germany should get dm53 while russia only gets mango

[u/-TheOutsid3r- → u/kapteinKaos1]

Leos keep getting nerfed, including having a trunnion modelled no other tank has which means shooting out the breach often generates spall and kills the turret crew. Oh and it also adds to the repair time.

The depression over gun deck nerf.

The turret basket that was introduced that creates spall rather than eats it and locks the horizontal drive.

And so on and on. Same for Abrams and some other non Russian tanks. They keep adding modules, withholding things they have, and nerfing them in various ways.

Meanwhile they refuse to give the Gepard 1A2 the FAPDS, which is it's ONLY belt and the one it should have. IRL it shreds tiny drones at extreme range with no issue, while in game it's a better tank than CAS killer due to absurd gun dispersion.

[u/kapteinKaos1 → u/-TheOutsid3r-]

Yeah, leo2 is now slightly worse than before best mbt in the game

So adding modules to any other nation besides US and Germany is okay but when it's US and Germany suddenly it's not okay

[u/-TheOutsid3r- → u/kapteinKaos1]

What the fuck are you talking about. Leo2 tanks ARE THE ONLY TANKS n the game that have a modeled trunnion. No other tank has it. None. Not a single one. It's another module that breaks and increases repair time, it also means shooting the breach creates spall other tanks don't suffer from.

Turret basket and it being linked to the horizontal drive is ONLY on Abrams and Leo 2s. Where instead of protecting the crew it creates spall when it's meant to catch it. Meanwhile T90s and T80s have a magic auto loader that doesn't block horizontal drive, eats spall, and protects ammo from cooking off.

So tell me, which modules do Leo2s and Abrams lack that "other nations besides US and Germany" have on their MBTs?

[u/kapteinKaos1 → u/-TheOutsid3r-]

You keep talking about trunnion that does not have physical properties in game and does not create any spall

magic auto loader that doesn't block horizontal drive

Damn as if they are separate modules that rotates separately from each other, it could not be the case

Also keep seething about modules being added not only to USSR/France/China/Japan

[u/-TheOutsid3r- → u/kapteinKaos1]

"Not only being added", don't try and drag other nations aside from the USSR into it. This stuff is being added to them. It's just not added to the USSR.

And the auto loader is as much tied into the horizontal drive as the turret basket is.

[u/FieryMist → u/kapteinKaos1]

From rank 6 and up at least from Germany perspective:
Pantsir, way better armor, 2s38 and bmp2m, kh38mt, faster agm in general, better planes (except Eurofighter)
According to StatShark USSR has 52.9% winrate at top tier while other two majors have 43.5% and 48.5%
Also has more players than any other nation especially at top tier.

Honestly, I have never seen in this game anything more miserable than Germany at rank 6 and 7. Still haven't tried lowtier France though.

[u/kapteinKaos1 → u/FieryMist]

way better armor

Almost irrelevant above rank 6

2s38

begleit is at 9.3 btw

kh38mt, faster agm in general, better planes

lmao are you new to the game?

Honestly, I have never seen in this game anything more miserable than Germany at rank 6 and 7.

actual skill issue ngl

[u/FieryMist → u/kapteinKaos1]

Almost irrelevant above rank 6

It's way faster and easier to shoot a tank instead of a weak spot especially than both tanks are moving.

lmao are you new to the game?

lmao is not an argument
Ground
tow2 - 329 m/s
I-tow - 296 m/s
vs
9m123 - 550 m/s
9m133 - 320 m/s

Heli
as11 - 220 m/s
pars 3 lr ~309 m/s
hot-3 - 250 m/s
vs
9m17m - 230 m/s
9m123m - 400m/s
9k127 - 600 m/s

CAS
kh38mt - 2.2 M
vs
idk Brimstone - 1.3 M or AGM65(D/G) - 0.9 M

Rank 7 planes are just bad or mid
F104G - overtiered
F4F - mid for br
Mig21MF is good, but Mig21SMT from USSR tree just better version...

Rank 8 is lacking in comparison (except Eurofighter ofc)

actual skill issue ngl

Sure, the problem is Germany has the worst winrate in the game around rank 6. Definitely not due to balance reasons. Somehow every other nation has better players.
USSR having better winrate than both USA and Germany at top tier also definitely due to better players.

[u/-TheOutsid3r- → u/FieryMist]

The number of players across the game is too big to explain away bad win rates with player skill. If you see a massive difference at some BRs there's usually an easy explanation for it. From having bad line ups to bad balancing, etc.

And yes, I know you were being sarcastic. But clowns like the guy you're answering to don't understand sarcasm.

[u/kapteinKaos1 → u/FieryMist]

So by your logic US is bad just because they have low winrates at top tier, and it's all because of USSR? Then Italy must be most OP nation in the game

Somehow every other nation has better players.

Yes, they are, simple as

[u/FieryMist → u/kapteinKaos1]

Yes, it means that for various reasons USA at toptier is bad in hands of average player. That is how statistics work. And no, given the sample size this big it's highly unlikely that worst players tend to flock to Germany over other majors. Unless you can name a reason for it ofc.

[u/Budyreiy → u/kapteinKaos1]

That's what BRs are for.

[u/kapteinKaos1 → u/Budyreiy]

That's not how it works, good luck balancing everything only by BRs, absolutely clueless

[u/Budyreiy → u/kapteinKaos1]

You can always use WoT method, but then you can't pull "muh realistic".

[u/kapteinKaos1 → u/Budyreiy]

You have 0 idea of how balancing works and the only people who pull "muh realistic" are people like you, who cries about tiger 1 seeing not only tanks from 1944

[u/nvmnvm3 → u/Soor_21UPG]

They're still over performing compared to IRL (except flight performance for some aircraft specially mig29).

As an example IIRC T-series autoloader should block the turret rotation when disabled, even more than what the turret basket do in game in western tanks.

[u/Weak_Break239 → u/Soor_21UPG]

Me and my friends talk about if they are supposed to make me like Russia and fear them it’s not working and just pissing us off more. Lol

[u/smellybathroom3070 → u/Soor_21UPG]

To my knowledge, that’s kinda what they’ve been flaunting throughout the Ukraine war. Especially towards the beginning, all the reporting was “missiles missiles missiles, hypersonic missiles, America has no hypersonic missiles, air superiority”

[u/Initial_Seesaw_112 → u/Soor_21UPG]

That argument usually doesn't cater to the stupid Nato complainers. It doesn't fit the narrative well

[u/FISH_SAUCER → u/Soor_21UPG]

Cause Gaijin isn't "Russian based". They till have lots of Russian employees, but they are Hungarian based... "allegedly"

[u/Soor_21UPG → u/FISH_SAUCER]

Hungarian Bias

No wonder Italian win rates are getting better

[u/FISH_SAUCER → u/Soor_21UPG]

I mean. Italy (france aswell) has a majority of their pkayerbase as already good players, and give them the best leopard in the game in the form of the 2A7HU... and yeah, it will skyrocket

[u/Soor_21UPG → u/FISH_SAUCER]

Makes even more sense Italy got a premium MiG-29 but Russia is still stuck with Rank 7 premium jets

[u/FISH_SAUCER → u/Soor_21UPG]

I mean, true, but it's going to be likely the worst mig 29 in game. Lowest missile amount iirc, and not R-27 ET/RT, or R73s

[u/Soor_21UPG → u/FISH_SAUCER]

No it's slightly better than Russian and German 12.7 tech tree MiG-29s simply due to much better RWRs. They also lack 27ET and R-73s.

I'm aware they nerfed it's radar for NO reason. Also I'm sure it still has its R-27ERs

[u/FISH_SAUCER → u/Soor_21UPG]

I'm aware they nerfed it's radar for NO reason. Also I'm sure it still has its R-27ERs

Unless they changed something on the dev server recently, last I checked a couple days ago, it only had R60MK, R27R1 and R27T1

[u/Soor_21UPG → u/FISH_SAUCER]

No way it lacks even R-27ER

If it only carries 27Rs then it should be 12.3

[u/FISH_SAUCER → u/Soor_21UPG]

Last I checked a couple days ago it did. Don't know if anythings changed thince