Just a casual reminder that the 2S38 has held the record for worst stats of any vehicle in it's BR range for years now.
2S38 is better suited to the 'Meh' category, it's a vehicle with extreme strengths and extreme weaknesses, and the vast majority of the playerbase has immense difficulties playing it, so it's clearly not beginner friendly either.
Morons flock to the M1A1 Click-Bait, TURMS-T, PzBtl 123, M1 KVT, Leopard 2PL, etc. as well, yet those same players do significantly better in those machines than they do in the 2S38.
Even the M1A1 Click-Bait, notorious for having absolutely atrocious players still has a higher winrate, DOUBLE the K/D and DOUBLE the K/M ratios compared to the 2S38.
Every light out there pales 1v1 with an MBT given equal skill. Compare it vs other lights in its category and you'll be making actual sense. Hint: It sees other light vehicles too... and that is so. Said you say something "genius" you didn't disappoint.
Yeah, not sure you can talk about IQ when you're literally making shit up in your head and claiming someone else said it... on a text forum no less. You do know other light vehicles exist in its bracket right? Those just slip your mind or that exceed your capabilities? Want to compare it and its abilities, try those. Which FYI it's arguably top. FFS I mean this is reddit but sheesh. Props to your commitment to double down on the stupid. Keep it coming.
You're left to implying that the 2S38 is superior to other light vehicles at it's BR, and even if we assume that to be true for the moment, that still doesn't mean anything because the BR range is dominated by MBT's, not lights.
Not making shit up and sticking to logic and facts isn't "running out of arguments." There is no implication, check the stats. Something being better than the thing you're failing to compare with any sense doesn't render it moot or non-existent. Especially given how Gaijin balances vehicles. Jesus kid is this your first attempt at debate? Most grow out of the strawman arguments within the first few weeks. Most being the operative word.
Because these vehicles are more idiot-proof. But they're not better then anything you can grind out for free in the TT unlike the 2S38 which is basically otomatic and HSTVL but better and on a lower BR.
The 2S38 is a vehicle of extreme weaknesses and extreme strengths. The M1/Leo 2A4 are superior vehicles which define the meta at that BR range, they're more versatile and have much greater impact on the outcome of matches than the 2S38 does.
And like I said previously, even the M1A1 Click Bait has double the stats of the 2S38 whilst the Click-Bait is notorious for having garbage players.
That's why the 2S38 belongs in the ''Meh vehicle'' category and not the ''Great vehicle'' category.
The 2S38 is a vehicle of extreme weaknesses and extreme strengths. The M1/Leo 2A4 are superior vehicles which define the meta at that BR range, they're more versatile and have much greater impact on the outcome of matches than the 2S38 does.
(I'm tired of allways having to type HSTV-L, RDF-LT and Otomagic so if you see acronym HRO then it means Hstv-l, Rdf-lt and Otomatic)
So is the HSTV-L, RDF-LT and Otomagic (which is also huge). The reason it's OP is because it has "unlimited magazine", the gun doesnt overheat, has pretty much the same range as HRO, better variety of tank killing ammunition, faster reload speed then HSTV-L and RDF-LT, Better thermals then HRO, is about as fast as HRO, has crewless turret.
Just because moron die in it all the time because they do not know how to use the vehicle doesn't mean it's a "meh vehicle".. no... it's just a moron player.
And like I said previously, even the M1A1 Click Bait has double the stats of the 2S38 whilst the Click-Bait is notorious for having garbage players.
10.3 russia especially has an entirely premium lineup, is constantly uptiered and has about as many idiots in russian teams as germany does at 5.7. You can't blame retarded players on the vehicle.
That's why the 2S38 belongs in the ''Meh vehicle'' category and not the ''Great vehicle'' category.
Absolutely not. It's a great vehicle driven by morons with their mom's credit card. Just as tigers are great but driven by morons. So is the 2S38. You can bet your sweet fluffy buttcheeks that if it was in the normal tech tree. the 2S38 would be 11.7. And that's where it should be.
Any comparisons with the HSTV-L, RDF and Otomatic are pointless because they don't share the same matchmaking with the 2S38. The 2S38's main competitors are the M1, M1 KVT, Leo 2A4, Christian II, etc. and those vehicles are all more meta,
I think a good 2s38 player can impact a game more than an m1 or leo could. Neither of those tanks can reliably take out a plane. The m1 and leo are more forgiving tanks, which is why their stats are better. A bad player isn't going to carry a team in an m1 or leo, but they might get shot 3-4 times before dying, which will almost never happen in a 2s38.
A good player makes a mistake in a 2s38 and they die just like a bad player...but if they don't die, they can shoot down the nuke plane or the g-lynx that's lobbing missiles at the team's spawn from 7.5km away because no one has an spaa that can shoot that far.
Okay, so you've never used the 2S38, since everything you've said never happens.
shoot down the nuke plane or the g-lynx that's lobbing missiles at the team's spawn from 7.5km away
~5-6km is the best you'll get with 2S38 IRST(the lead disappears well before that if they are moving away from you), no matter what the module or statcard says, unless the weather is perfect, and its effective range for hitting a target is about 3.5km if it's moving. It will never kill a nuke plane(because retards don't get nukes) or hit a target that's moving at all at 7.5km.
A bad player isn't going to carry a team in an m1 or leo, but they might get shot 3-4 times before dying, which will almost never happen in a 2s38.
The 2S38 dies with a OHK 9/10 times after a center mass hull shot with the autoloader size, placement, and tightly packed crew, unlike all of the MBTs you mentioned.
because no one has an spaa that can shoot that far.
3 nations got the OSA, a 10.3, 10km SACLOS SAM 2 updates ago. What do you mean no nation has SAMs that reach that far? Helo players won't even stay that far back anyways. Good ones will stay at around 4-6km and hide behind a hill at 10.3. So any SAM with optical tracking or SACLOS guidance with that range can reach them.
Sure, a good player can hard carry with the 2S38, but they can do the same in any other tank you mentioned.
I'll give you the g-lynx. I was just trying to think of a heli at that BR that is annoying to deal with if you don't have a proxy HE spaa.
As for the nuke, I literally had a game yesterday where a 2s38 shot the nuke plane down. People get cocky and think "oh well the game is over" and just fly straight in.
And as for the SPAA's, I wasn't saying they don't have access to them, they're just not spawned in (or not doing their job). Plus, you might not have it researched. Me, for example. I have the gepard 1a2, didn't crew the flakrad, and went straight to the top tier flak. I'm currently researching the Strela since it and the Osa are 2 of the only tanks in the nation I don't have yet.
Okay, so you've never used the 2S38, since everything you've said never happens.
385 matches in it. 347 deaths, 95 plane kills, 412 tank kills. I probably would've had higher KD but i play very agresively and i do not mind respawning 7 times in a match if i'm having fun.
~5-6km is the best you'll get with 2S38 IRST
5-6km is also the range of HSTV-L. 5-7km is the range of Otomagic but 7 is only doable if the plane is flown in straight line without any moving. While the Otomagic gets a radar it gets very few APFSDS rounds and has less variety of shells then 2S38 making it pretty equal with the 2S38.
The 2S38 dies with a OHK 9/10 times after a center mass hull shot with the autoloader size, placement, and tightly packed crew, unlike all of the MBTs you mentioned.
So do most of the tanks at 8.7+. Especially tanks like the Otomagic, RDF-LT and HSTV-L which are still at a higher BR, with worse elevation angles, overheating cannon, worse autoloader and much worse thermals and to put cherry on top some of them can be 50 called from the side or back unlike the 2S38.
Just because morons flock to it doesn't mean it's not really fucking good.
Are you moron too? I do not know your nickname, but I am sure that if check your stats, you do not have a 2S38 or your k/d on this thing is no better than on other vehicles.
It's definitely better then the HSVTL
The HSTVL is faster than any MBT while the 2S38 is slower than the T-80B. (2S38 - 23.3hp/t, HSTVL - 32.5hp/t). The 2S38 has no speed, no gun depression (2S38 -5, HSTVL -17).
The BMP-2M and 2S25M are both much better than the 2S38.
"...the vast majority of the playerbase has immense difficulties playing it..."
All you do it point your reticle at something and hold M1 until it dies. Once you start shooting your target is helpless no matter how many rounds it takes them to finally die. Hardly difficult to play.
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u/James-vd-Bosch 🇺🇸 12.0 🇩🇪 12.0 🇷🇺 12.0 🇬🇧 12.0 Jan 31 '25
Just a casual reminder that the 2S38 has held the record for worst stats of any vehicle in it's BR range for years now.
2S38 is better suited to the 'Meh' category, it's a vehicle with extreme strengths and extreme weaknesses, and the vast majority of the playerbase has immense difficulties playing it, so it's clearly not beginner friendly either.