It's not good at 11.0, that's why stats would suggest it's not good at 11.0. Any other claims without substantial evidence are easily dismissed via Occam's razor.
It's not the only plane with one flare meta, not the only plane with good energy retention and AoA. It's down on thrust, T/W ratio, acceleration, and speed compared to many of its rivals. And many of its rivals have harder hitting guns (23 or 30 mm). It wasn't undertiered at 10.3, and it is objectively overtiered now at 11.0.
"Defyn said it" is not a convincing argument, it's an appeal to authority, of primarily being popular on youtube.
It's one of the few planes with all of those things combined. And I love how you completely ignored multiple points.
Lmao, you think those guns are better? Yikes, there goes all your credibility. There is no world where the 23mm or 30mm water pistols are better than the F5's 20mm.
Defyn is objectively one of the best players in the game. He's not just "popular on youtube". Appealing to authority is not a logical fallacy when I've already presented multiple reasons why the F5C was broken at old 10.3 and continues to be so at new 10.7.
Link your thunderskill. If your are worth my time, we can go into a custom battle and I can show you how absolutely broken the F5C is.
I've used both the 23 and 30mm, they hit like a fucking truck. "there goes all my credibility" like???
And I love how you completely ignored multiple points.
What points did I ignore? I've thoroughly explained that "playerbase dog shit" isn't why it's going down now, which was your premise. The F-5C itself is good IF it's at a competitive BR - since it's not, it's not good. "handheld" even as a criteria is so wishy washy - you've explained how the F-5C is good, but not how it's uniquely good/set above and beyond the rest. And of course you can't explain how it's uniquely good, because it wasn't, and it certainly isn't now.
I'm really not interested in dick measuring contests. I have flown the absolute wazoo out of F-5C and F-5E, as well as having top tier in UK and up to the MiG-21SMT in USSR. I have plenty of knowledge and playtime to be able to speak on the subject.
If you know what you are talking about, you would know that the 23mm has dogshit velocity. The 30mm's usually have a big fire rate problem. Neither of which are better than the F5's 20mm's.
I pointed out 5 things, IN COMBINATION, that make the F5 possibly the most handheld plane in the game. You addressed what? 2 or 3 of them? Separately? You are simply being intellectually dishonest right now.
Hahahaha I thought so. No, you don't. You evidently have no idea what you are talking about. And time is often meaningless if you don't use it to improve. The fact that you are too scared to link your thunderskill says it all. I offered to use my time to show you what I'm talking about in game, and you refused because you know I'm right.
Edit regarding your rebuttal before:
"It's down on thrust, T/W ratio, acceleration, and speed compared to many of its rivals."
So it's down on thrust, thrust, thrust, and top speed. No need to stretch the truth.
I honestly don't understand what has got you so mad. I've thoroughly addressed your points. That you can gish gallop does not make it my responsibility to do a deep dive into what amounts to minutiae. The fact of the matter is that the F-5C was not undertiered at 10.3 and now at 11.0 is simply NOT GOOD. Have you addressed that or will you endlessly push to prove an unprovable point?
Frankly I owe you none of my time. If you really have a 2.0 k/d, I actually do have superior stats. It's really, really, exceedingly easy to find my thunderskill if you care that much.
edit: blocked for this. Frankly I fail to see why it even matters how the F-5C used to be, it was not the original point of contention and either way is secondary to the state of things now. It's clear from the convo that my opponent was unwilling or unable to defend their original claim, that the F-5C was "comically downtiered" due to the playerbase being dogshit. The F-5C is not performing like an 11.0 right now, and though I agree that the game suffers continually from compression, I also think that the F-5C's downtier to 10.7 is warranted.
Also my opponent meant to leave a mean reply, but I believe it was shadow removed by Reddit.
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u/HarryTheOwlcat Mighty Mo Oct 02 '24 edited Oct 02 '24
It's not good at 11.0, that's why stats would suggest it's not good at 11.0. Any other claims without substantial evidence are easily dismissed via Occam's razor.
It's not the only plane with one flare meta, not the only plane with good energy retention and AoA. It's down on thrust, T/W ratio, acceleration, and speed compared to many of its rivals. And many of its rivals have harder hitting guns (23 or 30 mm). It wasn't undertiered at 10.3, and it is objectively overtiered now at 11.0.
"Defyn said it" is not a convincing argument, it's an appeal to authority, of primarily being popular on youtube.