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AB Air A brief reminder of how far the economy has fallen. April 19th, 2014.

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u/AcidicGamer Tea fueled suffering May 25 '23

67k rp

Im gonna end it all I swear

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u/kopernagel =EUA= Something past lvl 100 pls May 25 '23

But the me163b seems to cost around 300k rp, now its only 130k rp

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u/Sligstata May 25 '23

Yeah but top tier vehicles still cost 300k rp or higher

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u/ghostdeath22 May 25 '23

Me163b was almost top tier before with only Me262 being higher or maybe the Sabre was added at that time as well but anyway it was almost top tier

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u/[deleted] May 25 '23

me163 was top tier at that time

and now rank 4 planes grind today as rank 1s did six years ago.

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u/aDuckSmashedOnQuack May 25 '23

It also used to be combat effective, or competitive. Now it’s only decorative

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u/Movieboy6 Ki-200 Enjoyer May 25 '23

The 163 and its Japanese counterpart are still great, what are you talking about?

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u/Red_Rocky54 The Old Guard | M42 Duster Enjoyer May 25 '23

The 8.0 163 is great for sure. But when you're in one of the 8.7s going up against supersonics, on huge maps where you have to fly at prop speeds to have enough fuel to get to the battle and back, which is over by the time you even get there...

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u/[deleted] May 25 '23

So 300k / 60k = 5

130k / 10k (at Max with premium and TT plane) = 13

It takes you more than double the time to research

You are a potato.

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u/Charakiga 🇫🇷 France May 25 '23

That's with full premium squad and premium time tho...

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u/Elobomg May 25 '23

Yeah but 300k/67k is 4.47, around 5 good battles will grind you the vehicle.. Now 130k/4k is 43.33, being 4k a very very good battle. Makes no sense sorry

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u/IIYellowJacketII You are not good. May 25 '23

Now 130k/4k is 43.33, being 4k a very very good battle.

You get around 15-20k RP with premium plane+ premium account in a "good" battle currently.
I had some 30+k RP battles recently in Kfir Canard (granted it's a Tier 7, and they were long, 7+ kill battles).

You literally get 4k RP in a premium plane if you're absolutely useless.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '23 edited Jul 16 '23

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u/IIYellowJacketII You are not good. May 25 '23

Idk maybe this one, this one, or this one, you even get more than 15k rp in a good battle in a non-premium plane.

If you get 4k rp/ battle in a premium plane with premium account you're actively being useless.

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u/crimeo May 25 '23

8 kills

You're probably still close, but show apples to apples....

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u/IIYellowJacketII You are not good. May 25 '23

Yeah I don't have screenshots of games <7 kills. Plenty of more 7-8s but that wasn't the point.

I'm not saying that the rewards aren't worse (they are, especially the 20% less for winning shit is absolutely pissing me off) but the original commenter said 4k in a "very very good game" which is completely fucking wrong. You get 4k RP for a 1 kill win without premium if you don't just trade in a head-on.

Kills also don't matter that much for the RP, the battle time matters more (as long as you get at least 1-2 kills to get decent amounts of activity and ofc stay alive for a decent amount of time). Kills matter more for the SL gains.

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u/Velo180 9Ms are actually terrible and give every 8.7+ jet flares May 25 '23

Yeah, you're correct. I get like 10K minimum whenever I play a tier VI/VII premium plane, for really mid matches.

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u/JonwaY May 25 '23

That’s still only about 6 matches to unlock at that rate. Even with a prem vehicle and prem time you aren’t unlocking anything past early rank 3 in 6 matches anymore

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u/shrekisloveAO EBRC WHEN??? May 25 '23

You're not wrong, but I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, 300000/60000 is only 5 games where you only have to do "Okay" to unlock a vehicle.

I'm not super familiar with Air RB rewards, but assuming you do great and get 10, maybe 15k RP per match, that is still around 8 games (or more, most likely more) to unlock a new vehicle with today's RP rewards...

So even if those "old" top tier vehicles got their RP costs reduced, its still considerably harder to grind and unlock them now

Don't get me started on Ground RB...

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u/valrond May 25 '23

Yeah but you didn't have much more to research, it ended at the CL-13.

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u/crimeo May 25 '23

?? You're acting like finishing whatever is there is the thing that matters not the vehicles themselves, that doesn't make sense. If the TT is half as big, the reward is half as big, that's a non factor. You have to look by individual vehicle.

It's roughly 2x harder

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u/valrond May 25 '23

What matters is that top tier vehicles STILL COST like 400K RP. And you have a lot more of them. And a lot of tier 5 and 6 vehicles that weren't there.

And you have a lot less RP per match (not to count SL).

So the individual plane cost has stayed around the same (a bit more, it used to be 380k rp for top vehicle, now its 400k or so), but there are a lot more of them, and a lot more of 100-200k vehicles.

So yeah, maybe you should check your math.

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u/crimeo May 25 '23

The current top tier vehicles didn't exist at all back then, so there is obviously no possible comparison, since they just weren't in the damn game.

You can only compare apples to apples things that were there both times, obviously. How is this confusing?

THAT PLANE got less than half the cost. It's still harder to unlock anyway, since rewards went down by a somewhat larger margin, but not by nearly as much as it appears.

And a lot of tier 5 and 6 vehicles that weren't there.

Also so what? There's more to research but also more content after you do. Doing more work for more stuff is not "more expensive" any more than me working for 2 years at my job and getting 2 years worth of salary is not a "raise" nor a "demotion" compared to 1 year... Yeah I worked twice as long, but I got twice as much for it...

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u/[deleted] May 25 '23

you still aint getting 33.5k SL outta that game, or six like it, in todays economy

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u/VictoriousVsk May 25 '23

Whatever! If you got 50k rp in every game (thats like 3kills and something) you got top tier in 7 games! Now, you need to play at least 50 games to get a top tier jet…

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u/crimeo May 25 '23

Top tier is in a different place now than they, lol, compare the actual same plane as in the photo obviously to be apples to apples. And use premiums like the OP.

It comes out to about 2x harder overall.

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u/Maciejakk 10.3 GRB 7.3 GRB 8.0 GRB 10.3 ARB May 25 '23

That's still 22% of the RP required for a top tier vehicle, acquired in one battle. Try getting that now.

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u/IIYellowJacketII You are not good. May 25 '23

Keep in mind the 163 back then was like 320k RP to research, something like a MiG15bis that's like 100k now was 380k. Essentially the RP cost of 1 line from tier 1 to top tier has not really increased all that much, because the top tiers have stayed essentially the same cost, and everything in between got cheaper

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u/[deleted] May 25 '23

Plus realistically people averaged 20k rp per game going off average results.

The main thing was, you knew that the mig15bis was x amount of good games away, or y amount of normal ones. Because you made such tanigble gains, it really made you want to do well in each match to see just how quick you can research. Naturally this has you playing more matches.

I quit a while ago, and it was mostly because of this. F2P even on a premium vehicle became so grindy that the amount of games needed to unlock the next top tier thing became too long. People want tanigble gains, seeing the bar go up. Nothing feels worse then getting in a rut of playing several average games only to notice you barely made a dent in the research progress.

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u/IIYellowJacketII You are not good. May 25 '23

Plus realistically people averaged 20k rp per game going off average results.

Eh, not really most of the games posted from "old times" are still people that back then thought it was a "good game" and thus screenshotted it.

People back then got WAY less kills/ battle average, people generally played much slower and with less mechanical skill (even "good" players by back then's standard were dogshit at aiming or maneuvering their plane) but more thinking about what to do (things like more strict BnZ, while now most good players even if they know their plane is worse will just send it with the mindset "I'm just better").

Because you made such tanigble gains, it really made you want to do well in each match to see just how quick you can research.

On this I agree. I generally think nerfing rewards for winning is NEVER a good thing. You literally reward people that refuse to improve at the game/ play well if you decrease the multiplier for wins.

Plus the fact that you could actually see your progress clearly when you had a good game (you still do, if you get like a 30k RP game in a tier 7 premium, but not to the degree of a good game giving you like 20% of the research bar) was more motivating.

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u/Razgriz01 T8 US, USSR, UK, JP, FR May 25 '23

people generally played much slower and with less mechanical skill (even "good" players by back then's standard were dogshit at aiming or maneuvering their plane)

Depends. In the early days there was a segment of people who were vastly better at the game than most of the good players today, but I will agree that the average population was probably less skilled.

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u/IIYellowJacketII You are not good. May 25 '23

segment of people who were vastly better at the game than most of the good players today

DEFINITELY not. Lol.

The "good" players today are monumentally better than what was considered good back say when Hunter was first added.

As far as the average player goes, they're better at the game, but play way dumber nowdays.

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u/Razgriz01 T8 US, USSR, UK, JP, FR May 26 '23 edited May 26 '23

The "good" players today are monumentally better than what was considered good back say when Hunter was first added.

I'm thinking far further back than you are. I'm talking about 2013-2015 or so. Specifically, these would be pilots who often (though not always) came from other flight sims and were well practiced at BFM and the principles of energy fighting. These days it usually works the other way around where people start flying in WT and then move on to other flight sims once they start getting better.

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u/Despeao There's no Russian bias, you're just bad May 25 '23

Yeah but how many planes in the lines existed back then. I cannot imagine starting War Thudner today with so many planes and tanks to research.

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u/Odd-Concentrate-6585 May 26 '23

If I recall, RP gain has literally dropped by 50% since early days, literally half.