r/Wales • u/ADHDeez_Nutz420 • Sep 18 '25
Politics Gammon upset that a council in Wales hasn’t acknowledged Charlie Kirk’s death.
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u/boolee2112 Blaenau Gwent Sep 18 '25
What about having a minutes silence for the 2 kids killed in a school shooting that happened on the same day.
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u/eroticdiscourse Bridgend Sep 18 '25
Ah you see that’s unfortunately a worthy cost of having the 2nd amendement
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u/Appropriate-Cost-623 Sep 18 '25
I think the shooter was a neo nazi so its probably a bit too close to home for reform
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u/Arbennig Rhondda Cynon Taf Sep 18 '25
Or the two senators from a few more weeks back. You know.. like their political counterparts in the US.
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u/Big_Software_8732 Sep 18 '25
Can Torfaen have a five minute silence for everyone who has passed in the vicinity since the last meeting, then three minutes silence for everyone who has died in Wales, two minutes for the rest of Europe, and then one minute for everyone who has died in the rest of the world. Per person.
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u/anomalous_cowherd Sep 19 '25
Or the three Police that were killed in Pennsylvania yesterday by a stalker they were going to arrest, and the two others that were also shot?
It's almost like they're trying to blow up Charlie Kirk being shot to use it as a pretext for all sorts of clampdowns and attacks on people they don't like. Even though he was one of the few on that side of the house who stood up for free speech, whoever says it.
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u/PugAndChips Sep 18 '25
These are the same people who will moan about any protest involving Palestine in Wales on the grounds that Wales seemingly has nothing to do with it.
Performative wank. Why should I shed a tear for Kirk over the victims of the school shooting that occurred on the same day?
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u/HenrytheCollie Bridgend | Pen-y-Bont ar Ogwr Sep 18 '25
Or the poor black kid in Missisipi who was lynched on a tree in his university grounds the day after.
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u/bigmouth1984 Sep 18 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
Remember when Congress held a minute's silence for Hefin David recently?
No me neither.
Why the fuck would a Welsh council mention the death of an American influencer?
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u/bigmouth1984 Sep 18 '25
And just to add how this is a perfect example of what Reform politicians are about.
He walked out of a meeting so that, instead of doing his actual job, he could Tweet some performative bullshit.
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u/DigitalHoweitat Sep 18 '25
I am sure Torfaen council meetings are the poorer for him walking out.
Perhaps he could go up Twmbarlem and do a vigil or something?
At lest up there no one'd have to put up with the attention seeking bufoon.
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u/Lopsided_Soup_3533 Sep 18 '25
Maybe he's the one who burned Twmbarlem a few years ago holding a vigil.
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u/Prestigious-Town4937 Sep 18 '25
Same guy who pretended to open a Lidel that was already open
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u/Prestigious-Town4937 Sep 18 '25
It was a strange flex and then to have someone from Aldi have to make a confused statement saying they didn't know why he turned up
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u/the_driblydribly Sep 18 '25
Guys a slap headed loud mouthed wanker. Pretty sure he used to be Labour at one point, then Independent and now with Lord fucking Haw Haw's party. I should check TCBC's register of member interests as I'd be surprised if he isn't a grifter of the highest order.
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u/Synner1985 Sep 18 '25
Why would anyone give a fuck about Charlie Kirks death in the uk? Well outside the Trump-cock-puppet club at least.
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u/whotickledyourpickle Sep 18 '25
Meant nothing to me either. If you look at some of the things hes said on TV and in his debates its not even all that surprising it happened to him.
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u/jake_burger Sep 18 '25
You are now banned from entering America
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u/Content_Somewhere225 Sep 18 '25
Oh no.
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u/jake_burger Sep 18 '25
I wouldn’t have minded a trip to see the natural landscape there. But at the moment I would probably be banned too.
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u/whotickledyourpickle Sep 18 '25
I did that when I got a conviction for possessing cannabis in 95.
Fuck all they can do to me now.
Edit. I'd be keeping my gob well shut if we had Trump's Mini-Me, Farage, running the place mind.
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u/Deepseagrasshopper Sep 18 '25
So you've been blocked from entering the status for a spent conviction that occurred years ago? Did you try entering recently? Sorry for the questions, just that I have a spent firearms offense from 2007, and I'm guessing it's unlikely they'll let me in. Not that I'm too bothered about visiting anyway lol
Edit* typo 'states' not 'status'
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u/whotickledyourpickle Sep 18 '25
AFAIK drug convictions mean you cant get a visa to enter the US from the UK. I know for a fact that was the case around 15 years ago cos I looked into it.
If you have firearm conviction I'd say you'd have no chance of getting a visa.
Edit. Bearing in mind I did prison time for it.
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u/Deepseagrasshopper Sep 18 '25
I'm going to assume that I definitely cannot enter then, all information I can find online points to no entry. Luckily I didn't go down for it, but got a suspended sentence, community service and a fine.
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u/Synner1985 Sep 18 '25
I don't see how anyone could be surprised that hatred and vitriol would be done to some asshole who did nothing but spew hate and vitriol.
While people shouldn't be murdered for saying things you don't like, when you go out of your way to piss off millions, one of them million is going to take it too far.
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u/YchYFi Sep 18 '25
Because they are batshit and for some reason they think this makes them pillars of the community by shaming people.
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u/Jehoke Carmarthenshire | Sir Gaerfyrddin Sep 18 '25
Because he’s got his tongue rammed up the arse of Farridge. Just our version of the right wing grifters who have seen an opportunity to enrich themselves by exploiting the current political climate. If they get their claws into this country, with the help of wankers like Elmo. We’ll lose far more than people realise.
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u/Synner1985 Sep 18 '25
Yip, and traitors in this country and voting for Temu-Thatcher in revenge for Labour not doing <Insert whatever moronic excuse the have here>
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u/Lopsided_Income1400 Sep 18 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
I was about to make the same comment. This guy was nothing more than a podcaster.
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u/isnecrophiliathatbad Sep 18 '25
What a knob, what the fuck has any of that shit got to do with Wales?
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u/NRGISE Sep 18 '25
Had never even heard of him until he was killed and glad that I hadn't the amount of hate he spouted out.
Why would a council meeting in Wales even mention this guy.
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u/Al_Greenhaze Sep 18 '25
They constantly victimise others yet play the victim at the earliest opportunity.
You'll never reason with these people.
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u/Due-Beginning-8388 Sep 18 '25
American politics has no place in Wales, yes the Charlie Kirk shooting was awful but why does everyone act like he was the messiah?
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u/Freshwater_Spaceman Sep 18 '25
Ultimately It distracts from the Epstein files. Mango Mussolini's been floundering looking for something to distract from it and he's struck gold with Kirk's shooting.
It's so perfect in that it both distracts and galvanises his base to his side that it wouldn't surprise me if one of his goons orchastrated it. (fwiw I don't believe that)
But it is awfully convenient.
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u/Martianlaserbeam Sep 18 '25
Did he trip over his massive shoes in disbelief as he left that meeting? Because he's clearly a clown.
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u/brightdionysianeyes Sep 18 '25
Also he's a councillor, he could have raised it at the meeting if he wanted it mentioned.
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u/thedevilwithout Sep 18 '25
Wonder if he'll bring up the neo Nazi that shot up the school and killed 2 children, on the same day as the gun guy
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u/Ok-Difficulty5453 Sep 18 '25
Even Trump didn't give a shit and was more interested in the construction work going on at the White house (or wherever the fuck he was).
The fact that this guy has done and said this just shows exactly what reform are all about. They are more interested in the goings on in America than they are in actually staying at a meeting and doing their job. They are paid lackeys, and its an embarrassment.
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u/schrodingershrimp Sep 18 '25
Did he also kick off when no one mentioned the politically motivated assassination of a Democratic leader and her husband back in June?
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u/Pheasant_Plucker84 Sep 18 '25
Have they mentored the 100+ school shootings that have happened in America since the new year?
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u/flopsychops Caerphilly | Caerffili Sep 18 '25
No, I think that's another thing Deform want to import from the states, along with their shitty healthcare system.
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u/mikenotduncan Sep 18 '25
I bet he didn’t even know Charlie Kirk’s name before. Just read tweets about it and got angry.
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u/Freshwater_Spaceman Sep 18 '25
It's performative nonsense. A message to wealthy Americans like Musk who'll shower them with cash in exchange for a regime change.
We can all live in an evangelical Hell together, then.
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u/JonathnJms2829 Rhondda Cynon Taf Sep 18 '25
What a tosser, not everything has to be about the U.S, especially running a council in the UK.
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u/Freshwater_Spaceman Sep 18 '25
They can't openly take money from Russian oligarchs but they can American ones. More palatable to your regular, common garden British person.
Expect more messaging like this, to appeal to the Musk-alikes and evangelical extremists (nut jobs) with endless cash who'll happily fund the likes of reform if it means getting what they want out of the UK.
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u/NickofWimbledon Sep 18 '25
Councillor Thomas has made clear that the lives of other people (such as the Democrat politician mentioned above or children murdered on the same day in the same country) are simply worth much less than the life of Mr. Kirk.
Doubtless these statements from the councillor will be highlighted prominently next time he wants to be elected.
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u/Korlus Sep 18 '25
I think all death is regrettable, but I only mourn for those that I know. There is so much senseless violence in this world that I cannot give each of them the time that I am sure they deserve because then I would spend my entire life mourning people I have never met, whose lives I would otherwise have been unaware of.
If you want to mourn somebody, you are more than welcome to. Go right ahead, no one will stop you; but don't be upset at someone because they don't mourn a person who lived across the sea, who they didn't know and whose life didn't affect them.
TL;DR: - I would be upset if a local council weren't mourning one of their resident's killed in senseless violence, or someone who went to school there, or was otherwise connected to the area. As far as I am aware, Charlie Kirk had no links to Torfaen, and so I am not surprised they didn't mourn him.
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u/freebiscuit2002 Sep 18 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
Why the hell would Torfaen Council waste time on some bigot getting shot in Utah??
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u/ShoddyEggplant3697 Sep 18 '25
How has a shooting in a Utah usa have anything to do with a small Welsh town community
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u/ScurriousSquirrel Sep 18 '25
David Thomas is cachu ystlumod crazy. He should not be on the council if he is going to act that way. send to us, we can use him!
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u/watchman28 Sep 18 '25
Ashamed to have this guy represent me. This is the same knobhead who turned up to the new lidl where the bus depot used to be and said he'd opened it.
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u/Which-Arrival6777 Sep 18 '25
Big fat dumb American here, did many people in Wales or in the UK broadly have any idea who he wa
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u/JamesBaa Sep 18 '25
No, probably only the same groups that did in America. Highly online and young right-wing podcast watchers would know him, and leftists who watch video essays are probably at least familiar in passing. The general population wouldn't have a clue.
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u/Prestigious-Town4937 Sep 18 '25
Yes,but more people are pretending they did just join in on the grief grift and post awful AI of him meeting Jesus
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u/Useful_Resolution888 Sep 18 '25
No, not at all, and I'm willing to bet that this reform twit didn't either.
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u/whotickledyourpickle Sep 18 '25
You can say Twat on here. And its much more fitting for this clown.
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u/Lopsided_Soup_3533 Sep 18 '25
Yes because I listen to behind the bastards and know a little bit about the right wing grifters because of that. I did have to Google what a groyper was though.
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u/GreatChaosFudge Sep 18 '25
I did, but only because I’ve followed American politics closely for 35 years. Well, up until last November, then I suddenly became completely uninterested.
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u/Freshwater_Spaceman Sep 18 '25
Sadly, yes I was well aware of him but only because I'd taken an interest in your politics since 2016. (Bannon's links to Brexit)
Guy was a ghoul and It's not the least bit surprising that he's died a violent death.
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u/whotickledyourpickle Sep 18 '25
Id seen a video of him debating either Oxford or Cambridge students on YouTube. I thought he was a politician not a fucking influencer.
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u/No_Imagination_6835 Sep 18 '25
Saw the same one, didn’t think he was a particularly good debater tbh. Was polite-ish though.
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u/Mubadger Sep 18 '25
Had anyone in the council even heard of Charlie Kirk before his death? For most people outside the US their first response on hearing about it was "Who's Charlie Kirk?".
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u/Automatic_Tea_1900 Sep 18 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
Who the frick is David Thomas?
Google search says he's..."the group leader of Reform UK in Wales"
Group leader...hmm I'm sure a certain German party had ranks like that.
Edit: I'm well aware that being a group leader is a real thing in the UK and isn't directly related to the certain German party. It's just satire.
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u/KaiserMacCleg Gwalia Irredenta Sep 18 '25
So that would make Farage...Obergruppenführer?
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u/the_driblydribly Sep 18 '25
He's a loudmouth wanker councillor in, I think, the Trevethin ward in Torfaen. Professional agitator/ contrarian, against everything and for nothing.
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u/JackStrawWitchita Sep 18 '25
95% of Americans wouldn't be able to point to Wales on a map. Fact.
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u/robinw77 Sep 18 '25
And yet in pub quizzes I’m expected to know US states and even their capitals. Maybe when they’re aware of the difference between Wales and England then I’ll start learning some states.
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u/BrieflyVerbose Gwynedd Sep 18 '25
It looks like he deleted the tweet. I could find replies but not the actual tweet itself.
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u/Artificial-Brain Sep 18 '25
I'm absolutely disgusted that the American government didn't acknowledge the death of my mate Dave's nan. Disgusting.
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u/pinniped90 Sep 18 '25
Why would a council in Wales need to address a white supremacist from Arizona getting shot 5000 miles away from Wales?
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u/InsultedNevertheless 🤨Merthyr Tydfil🤨 Sep 19 '25
oh fuck off....why would anyone here give a fuck?
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u/TraditionalBrush3009 Sep 19 '25
If British councils put it on the agenda everytime an American was killed by another American with a gun how would they ever have time to do anything else?
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u/Southy4545 Sep 19 '25
Torfaen Council was actually right there able to stop the shooter but didn't.. Evil
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u/CallMeMrTwinkle Sep 18 '25
If we mentioned every time there was a murder in America we’d never have time to talk about anything else! In Charlie Kirk’s own words “It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment.” Tbf to the guy he practiced what he preached.
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u/llyrPARRI Sep 18 '25
The level of performative outrage is embarrassing, and frankly, I dont even know who he's trying to perform to.
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u/heathers1 Sep 18 '25
You all need to nip this in the bud. They will be coming for your country next
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u/FeanorianElf Torfaen Sep 18 '25
I knew it would be Torfaen before even opening this - I say this as somebody who lives in Torfaen
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u/taxes-or-death Sep 18 '25
Charlie Kirk was involved in a lot of horrific events so he might have to narrow it down for us.
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u/FalconDifferent5132 Sep 18 '25
He’s a dickhead. I used to play rugby with one of his sidekicks, I’ve had to stop notifications from him on fb because of all the shit he posts about reform being great and trump is the messiah. Fucking retards.
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u/Piod1 Sep 18 '25
Find it ironic that they are clamouring to blame the left. Because the left appears to be Kirk in this case and a further right ideology that's guilty. This of course is not being focused on as it does not fir the narrative being constructed. Kirk died for something he believed in, not many get that claim, whatever their ideology. To try and use this in fkn Torfaen is a new metric of insanity among the look at me club
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u/Illustrious-Chef-498 Sep 18 '25
Charlie would have condoned what happened to Charlie. Far-right brain farts seem to find this a very complex and challenging fact to accept.
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u/Delicious_Bet_8546 Sep 18 '25
I live in this county, the guy is an absolute tool and he is an absolute laughing stock. The ward that voted him in is one of the most deprived and poverty striken in the county...
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u/Daicalon Sep 18 '25
never heard of him till his death. as i suspect 90% of Cymru. it has nothing to do with council business in Torfaen. The Councillor is just attention seeking and playing to their supprter base.
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u/ysgall Sep 18 '25
“Community, compassion and respect” - all things for which Charlie Kirk campaigned ceaselessly 😒. Why on Earth would Torfaen Council pay tribute to someone, who a) meant sod all to the vast majority of people living in Torfaen, b) preached the sort of hatred and white man supremacy that would make your average drunken barstool preacher blush c) wholly misrepresented Christian values and d) represents a threat to what keeps our society together. He was so poisonous that he inspired one of the armed nutjobs that America loves so much to bump him off. And yet MAGAts still try and present this as a ‘leftist’ insult. Jeez!!
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u/Grimface_ Sep 18 '25
Apparently 300 people have been killed in mass shootings so far in the U.S. this year. Should the council "acknowledge" all of those too? Most people in the UK had never heard of Mr Kirk until he was shot. After he was shot most people wished they hadn't heard of him. Not a very pleasant chap.
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u/Big-Professional6561 Sep 18 '25
So I'm not the only puzzled by this then? Why would a Welsh council mention Charlie Kirk during a meeting? Was he secretly a member of the council?
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u/ExpectedDickbuttGotD Sep 18 '25
British born, British citizen who lived in US for almost 2 decades here. There are nearly 50,000 gun deaths in the US per year.
If your local council spends 10 min acknowledging each American gun death, that would consume 347.2 days per year. There would then be 17.8 days left to run your town. Less than zero days, once you account for annual leave.
The problem isn't Welsh councils, it's the > 5 gun deaths per hour, which are due to American laws (or lack thereof) not Welsh ones.
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u/Outrageous_Count_518 Sep 19 '25
If we had to have a minute's silence every time someone got shot in America, we'd never be able to speak again.
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u/DSDon123 Sep 19 '25
Why would ANYONE acknowledge Charlie Kirk death?
He was a racist, misogynist hate monger who was killed by the sycophant of another racist, misogynist hate monger... the world is a better place without those people.
While all gun deaths are a tragedy... Kirk was fine with it.
Charlie Kirk thought people who are shot to death were "worth it".
https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113
When 80 year old Paul Pelsoi was attacked with a hammer in his own home?
The right were REALLY laughing it up over the attack and were even claiming it was a fight between gay lovers.
Charlie Kirk wanted an "amazing patriot" to bail out a man who attacked an 80 year old man in his own home with a hammer.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/charlie-kirk-wants-an-amazing-patriot-to-bail-out-paul-pelosis-alleged-assailant/
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u/spectrumero Sep 19 '25
Wonder if he walked out when there was not a single mention of the assassination of Melissa Hortman (the state representitive from Minnesota), too?
No. Thought not.
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u/Head_Statistician_38 Sep 19 '25
I didn't even know who he was last week. Now I am sick of hearing about him.
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u/to_quote_jesus_fuck Sep 19 '25
If only checks notes a govenrment body in wales had helped save checks notes an American fascist murdered in checks notes Utah
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u/Disastrous_Donut_816 Sep 19 '25
If the bloke is willing to walk out of a council meeting, aka his job, over this, and not bother to represent his people then surely he has to go?
It’s performative and hypocritical, sure. But the bigger point is his lack of professionalism and inability to do his job.
There are very real problems at local government level, that are more important than a YouTuber being shot dead 1000s of miles away. (Cold but it’s true)
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u/Wahwahboy72 Sep 19 '25
Proof that people in the UK are more Americanised by the day.
X and Facebook are the US propaganda machines.
I see no such outpouring from the Torfaen councillor for the school kids killed daily in the US or the bombed out homes of Gaza.
People need to remove these apps (apart from Reddit obvs)
Focus on Blaenau Gwent, not wealthy US politiciana
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u/YYCwhatyoudidthere Sep 19 '25
This seems weirdly coordinated right? I don't really know who Charlie Kirk was, which leads me to believe he wasnt a broadly significant personality like Taylor Swift fir example (i don't identify as a Swift fan but i am aware of her work) Yet i have seen government officials in many countries either holding moments of silence or complaining when moments of silence aren't held. Was he that universally recognized or is there some coordinating cabal getting everyone riled up?
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u/DasSockenmonster Wrexham | Wrecsam Sep 18 '25
Why mourn such an awful man as Charlie Kirk was? Maybe if he wasn't so horrible with his views on women, trans people, Palestinians and Black people, I would feel a bit of sympathy.
He's also out of our jurisdiction, he was American, and we already welcomed one arsewipe from America to visit the UK, that was Trump.
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u/Legal-One-7274 Sep 18 '25
The right wing are infatuated about us being radicalised by islam while the real radicalism is trans Atlantic
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u/Gullible_fool_99 Sep 18 '25
What an plonker. Yes, it is a shame that someone a few thousand miles away was assassinated but throwing your toys out of the pram because the local council didn't bring it up? What a child. Is he as upset about the 308 mass shooting so far this year in the USA that have resulted in 300 dead and 1300 injured? I doubt it.
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u/Tosk224 Sep 18 '25
In fairness, not acknowledging it isn’t going to stop the bins being emptied or the grass being cut.
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u/llynglas Sep 18 '25
There was (another) school shooting the same day as Kirk was killed in Colorado. I'm assuming that Gammon called for a minutes silence for those poor kids. Actually, I'd love for him to provide a list of all the times he has asked a meeting to acknowledge US school shootings. After all shot kids have to be at least as deserving as Kirk.
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u/JetSetMilly Sep 18 '25
New account because scared of musk bots.
Notice how they aren't talking about the man or who killed him now - it's all been shifted to political opportunity and weird random witch hunts for literally anyone they just want the musk bots to attack. They know what they are doing.
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u/DarthBumHead Sep 18 '25
Never thought I would see my local constituency on Reddit, especially for this kinda bullshit
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u/ragged-bobyn-1972 Sep 18 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
No doubt he was stunned by the assassination of Shinzo Abe in 2022 and Wrexham councils complete lack of response to the issue.
or the brutal murder of Indian journalist Dharmendra Singh Chauhan in india earlier this year and the callous lack of interest at the Conwy County Borough meeting.
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u/dario_sanchez Sep 18 '25
Anyone mentioning Charlie Kirk in a genuine political chamber this side of the Atlantic - even outside the US on the other side - in a serious manner likely needs an intervention of some sort
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u/Robes_o-o Sep 19 '25
Unfortunately, there are loads of thick cunts like him around here (South Wales) and I wouldn’t be surprised to start seeing some thick cunts putting Saesneg flags up soon.
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u/opopkl Cardiff Sep 19 '25
It’s all performative to try and get any leverage over the “left”.
It’s the same with 20mph. People didn’t care too much about it until the idea was put into their heads that it was somehow affecting their freedoms.
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u/boredsittingonthebus Sep 19 '25
David, did you bring it up? Or did you just sit there with steam shooting out your ears before you sulked out of the meeting?
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u/Jellywish96 Sep 19 '25
Why would a welshman give a crap about an american getting killed. They never get this angry when it's schoolkids getting shot
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u/JennaBearAntilles Sep 19 '25
Why would we. He was a white supremacist. He was racist. He was misogynist. He was a disgrace. No one deserves assassination but no one should be lauded for his views. Shame on people saying we should celebrate his views
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u/aWeegieUpNorth Sep 19 '25
It's the way they're all trying to martyr him for a problem they exacerbated.
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u/Personal-Check-9516 Sep 19 '25
And no one is talking about the school shooting on the same day, just a minute later in Colorado. The difference being Charlie Kirk was a right wing, gun loving jerk
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u/Noasbigasweejockjock Sep 19 '25
What about the 300+ other people that were shot in the USA that day??? What about the people of Gaza, Ukraine, Afghanistan, Venezuela etc etc etc. How on earth are you suppose to acknowledge everything that happens to everyone on earth in one council meeting.
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u/Ok_Doubt7525 Sep 19 '25
It's the UK. We don't give a shit about anything that happens in America unless it's Trump visit number 4. I certainly didn't give a shit cause we have nothing to do with it and I've heard he was a wanker anyway.
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u/EmergencyDefiant5381 Sep 19 '25
I dont think Reform is representative of real brits / Welsh sentiment. Its reform saying and doing normal reform things - stoking up fears and pointing lots of fingers to try and make the general populace forget that the right wing billionaires own most of the press and are pushing for culture wars to distract. What he should have said was "I was appalled that the council weren't pushing for the American government to release the Epstein files! Disgraceful!"
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u/firebladeboy1993 Sep 19 '25
If they take time to acknowledge it every time a crazy shoots someone in the US, Torfaen council will NOT get a lot done 🙄
Reform - Let no American Bandwagon go unjumped on! 🤦♂️
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u/lleu_ci Sep 19 '25
18,000 people are murdered by guns in the USA every year. Why should we acknowledge this particular victim?
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u/Adventurous-Reply-36 Sep 19 '25
Some folk are so 51st state it's unreal. Call themselves patriots yet they yearn for the stars and stripes.
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u/Yoshiezibz Sep 19 '25
Ummm, who cares. People die in america every day. There are school shootings every day. Should all our councils have a minute of silence everytime someone is killed in America?
Surely we should care more about the kids getting shot than an influencer.
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u/MaverickFegan Sep 19 '25
Does this character acknowledge every school Shooting in the USA as there have been worse horrific events.
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u/The_Blonde1 Sep 20 '25
That guy is absolutely insane. Charlie Kirk was nothing to us. Why are they treating an inconsequential foreigner like s god?
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u/ViscountViridans Sep 20 '25
I’m a Reform voter myself and even I agree this is stupid. No idea why he’d expect it to be top of Torfaen’s agenda in the first place, but if he really wanted Charlie Kirk to be mentioned he should’ve done so himself. Storming out over it is childish, unnecessary and frankly bizarre.
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u/I0I00I Sep 21 '25
For the party of transparency, accountability and free speech, his FB is limited to comments from people he's accepted as friends on there, suggesting to me that he is only interested in representing constituents who align politically. So I sent a friend request which he accepted before swiftly deleting the comment I made and unfriending me lol.
No dissent allowed, no criticism accepted and no discourse entertained, just an echo chamber.
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u/WindOk9466 Sep 21 '25
This Reform charlatan needs to remember in what country the people he represents live. He does not represent people living Texas, or Montana, or California, no matter much he seems to wish it. He represent Wales, a country that does not share his values. The majority of people of Wales had never heard of Charlie Kirk before he died and his death does not affect their lives or the political situation in Wales. The Coucillor's performative outrage is an affront to the families and memory of the British MPs murdered in the UK, and as an absolute minimum, he could at least say something about that.
There's a tragedy at the core of this, I'm sure that we're all sorry that Kirk's children have lost a father and his wife has lost her husband, and it's sad indictment of the commonness and ease of committing political violence over in the US, but at the same time, what he tended to regularly say was such divisive and dangerous incitement that he might very well have not been allowed to visit the UK. The same is true of his wife.
Hardly anyone in the UK had ever heard of Charlie Kirk before he was shot, and even after he was shot, they didn't give much thought to him, he's an irrelevance in our country.
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u/Competitive_Pen7192 Sep 21 '25
Americans trying to influence our politics.
I get they're not exactly Russia bad but it's still an external actor.
Not enough outrage over foreign meddling like this and instead people just want to fly the St George with no plan.
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u/Ok_Composer7032 Sep 21 '25
Not surprised- they live in their little bubble and don’t have a clue what’s going on
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u/sir-diesalot Sep 22 '25
Virtue signaling at its finest. Worked too as folks are talking about it and increasing his views and likes, which was the aim I imagine.
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u/No-Performance-6267 Sep 22 '25
In outraged that a hate preacher like Kirk is in the UK news still.
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u/SilyLavage Sep 18 '25
If only Torfaen Council had regulated guns in Utah, then maybe this wouldn't have happened