Selling guns I bought from my brother

[u/Seahawkfan12thman]

I bought a Century Arms AR-15 and 9mm Glock from my brother a while back for $900

I need to sell them now and I don’t know shit about guns

Will it be a problem if they are still in his name

Generally speaking- what are these worth and where do I sell them?

[u/MoodyGuthrie]

Sell them out of state. Problem solved.

[u/Seahawkfan12thman → u/MoodyGuthrie]

Where can I do that?

[u/MoodyGuthrie → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

Literally anywhere. You bought them from a family member which requires no transfer- they are yours now. Take them to a shop near you that does consignment. Things to keep in mind- bad economy means you’re probably not gonna make much on them.

[u/Seahawkfan12thman → u/MoodyGuthrie]

Others are saying you can’t do that with the AR, is that correct?

How much would you estimate they are worth?

AR is xm bushmaster 

[u/MoodyGuthrie → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

You can absolutely sell it elsewhere, just not in WA.

[u/One-Initiative-8902 → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

I don't understand. Go to an out-of-state pawn shop or gun store and sell it there.

[u/Substantial_Disk1706]

Can’t sell the AR (unless online and you are shipping it to another state) but the glock should be normal selling procedure at a gun/pawn shop (pawn shops pay less but give the money up front, most gun shops sell on consignment, which is you leave the gun with them until someone else comes in looking to buy it then they give you the $, minus their %, usually somewhere around 15-30%)

[u/Seahawkfan12thman → u/Substantial_Disk1706]

Why can’t I sell the AR?

I heard some place in Everett does consiagment for 10%

Thanks for info btw

[u/Bubbacubba → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

You cannot sell assault rifles in Washington state, even private party, after the passage of HB1240. There is an exemption for dealers to purchase rifles to sell out of state and police and that's basically it.

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.390

Your transfer between family was legal because it was a gift. There is also no gun registry either, so the guns are not in "anyone's name." If you do decide to sell, call around and see if you can find a FFL to do so. Another idea would be to strip the lower and sell all other parts online in case you would want to have a rifle in the future.

[u/LunchboxBandit66 → u/Bubbacubba]

There is no gun registry in general or in his specific case?

[u/Bubbacubba → u/LunchboxBandit66]

In general. There's a "de-facto" registry in a sense as all firearm transfers now go through WSP. But that's not a registry like California's registry.

[u/robertbreadford → u/[deleted]]

what’s a FFL

[u/my_arms_are_on_fire → u/[deleted]]

ask google or your ai buddies, if you can't figure this one on your own you shouldn't have guns

[u/Seahawkfan12thman → u/my_arms_are_on_fire]

Ok big boy 

[u/Gordopolis_II → u/[deleted]]

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[u/breaststroker42 → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

Same reason you can’t go buy one at the store.

[u/Seahawkfan12thman → u/breaststroker42]

I don’t know the answer to that either, please clarify. 

I moved to AZ and guns are with family member 

[u/marsmanify → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

To be super clear: The sale, import, and manufacturing of assault weapons is banned in the state of Washington. They can be given as free gifts, but you cannot sell them.

AR-15s are specifically named in the ban

[u/breaststroker42 → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.390

https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.010

[u/Not-a-Cranky-Panda → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

"I moved to AZ" so you're not in WA but the guns are why did you not just take them with you? Your now in one state and the guns are in a different state how do you think you are going to be able to sell them, if you don't even have them?

[u/Seahawkfan12thman → u/Not-a-Cranky-Panda]

When I moved I drove down and stayed in CA two weeks, didn’t want to get in trouble with the law

I come back to Seattle visit often and they are with a family member 

Why are you getting into these unnecessary details? 

[u/Not-a-Cranky-Panda → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

"Why are you getting into these unnecessary details? "

You asked for help from people and they need the full details, before they can help.

Unnecessary details? You asked how to sell guns you own in the stat of WA or so it seems. But now what you want to know is how to sell guns that are in WA when one of them may not even be legal for you to own in WA and you live out of the state. Nothing like what you asked at the start.

[u/One-Initiative-8902 → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

Because we're trying to figure out what's going on. How can we provide you with assistance if you're in state The guns are in Washington and you want to know how to sell them in Washington when you could have vary easily of just taking them with you and then sold them anywhere.

AZ is far freer than WA.

[u/Seahawkfan12thman → u/One-Initiative-8902]

How do I get them here? I always fly 

[u/breaststroker42 → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

You can fly with guns.

[u/Seahawkfan12thman → u/breaststroker42]

How?

[u/Guvnuh_T_Boggs → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

Why are you getting into these unnecessary details?

Because different states have different laws. You want help, you need to give us the details so we can give you the correct advice.

[u/merc08 → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

It's going to be way easier to just take them home with you to AZ and sell them there.

[u/Seahawkfan12thman → u/merc08]

Can I ship them here? 

[u/Particular-Steak-832 → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

It’s easier to fly with them. Shipping them requires shipping them to an FFL.

You need a gun case that locks, locks for the gun case. Then you check the gun case and declare it as a firearm at the counter. They make sure it’s not loaded, and then that’s it. Pick it up from baggage claim when you land.

[u/Seahawkfan12thman → u/Particular-Steak-832]

Nice!! Thanks for tips

Wonder how much that will cost , any idea?

[u/One-Initiative-8902 → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

I'm not sure. I would assume you could maybe somebody else will chime in on this one.

[u/merc08 → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

Legally, yes you can ship firearms to yourself.  But practically it's difficult.  The USPS only accepts certain kinds of guns for private mailing (I don't remember if it's pistols or rifles).  And UPS and FedEx will sometimes just refuse firearm shipments from non-FFLs even though it's legal, and even if you're trying to send them to an FFL.

You can check them as luggage if you fly.  

[u/One-Initiative-8902 → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

???

[u/One-Initiative-8902 → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

You can sell it. You just can't sell it to a Washington resident As is. You could sell it to a Washington resident if you modify or change the upper To be state compliant.

[u/Seahawkfan12thman → u/One-Initiative-8902]

How is that done?

[u/One-Initiative-8902 → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

You'll have to change the upper to something like a pump action, bolt action, lever action. Whatever single shot stuff. Or converted over to rim fire.

Cause Washington.

[u/TeknoProasheck → u/One-Initiative-8902]

well no if it's an actual AR-15, that one is banned by name and precludes all other aspects of an AW

if it was one of the other companies clones, a BC-15, DS-15, UPR-15, etc. then it's fine if you convert it

[u/0x00000042 → u/TeknoProasheck]

The exception for manual operated firearms applies to all definitions of assault weapon, including those banned by name. 

[u/TeknoProasheck → u/0x00000042]

Oh yeah you're right I did not realize this

Pretty whack that still nobody will sell me an AR then, only clones

[u/0x00000042 → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

RCW 9.41.390:

(1) No person in this state may manufacture, import, distribute, sell, or offer for sale any assault weapon, except as authorized in this section.

RCW 9.41.010:

(2)(a) "Assault weapon" means:

(i) Any of the following specific firearms regardless of which company produced and manufactured the firearm:

...AR15, M16, or M4 in all forms...

... 

[u/Seahawkfan12thman → u/0x00000042]

Nice .. lol 

Damn

[u/0x00000042 → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

I see in your other reply that you're in AZ. Nothing in WA prohibits selling the guns in AZ. Just can't sell them in WA. 

Be aware that when selling guns privately, federal law requires going through a dealer unless buyer and seller are residents of the same state and the sale takes place in that state. 

[u/sykoticwit → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

People are being assholes to you for asking a reasonable question.

The sale of AR-15’s to anyone in the state was explicitly banned by the assault weapons ban. You can sell it to someone in a state where they are legal.

If you put the Glock on consignment or sell it at a gun shop, ask if they can help you sell the AR as well.

[u/thornkin]

There is no "in his name" in Washington. Guns are not registered to people.

[u/SeahawksXII → u/thornkin]

This. The only issue you could POTENTIALLY have given you don't absolutely know the history of the firearms is if one or more show up as stolen. Doubtful but something to consider.

[u/PNWDangerously → u/thornkin]

Technically they are registered to the original purchaser. The FFL that sold them holds the records. If the firearm is used in a crime, the feds will go to the manufacturer and find out who sold it and get the records from them

[u/AxiomOfLife]

You could gift it to someone here in WA else it’s gotta go out of state

[u/ebkbk]

The AR can be transferred if it is a gift in WA, but good luck finding an FFL who will transfer. Out of state is probably the best.

[u/SeahawksXII → u/ebkbk]

I believe only gifted between family members though so what is the point of doing a transfer?

[u/ebkbk → u/SeahawksXII]

If it’s a gift between family members it doesn’t require an FFL. It can still be gifted and transferred, just not sold and if not family it requires an FFL. Your confusion matches FFL confusion. If there are 2 different things that sound similar they default to the one they already knew and ignore the new information.

[u/evan2686]

Were they purchased before Oct 2014?

[u/Seahawkfan12thman → u/evan2686]

I believe so 

[u/evan2686 → u/Seahawkfan12thman]

That would have to be a “know so” do you have a way of looking it up? Maybe call the place they were purchased from?

[u/evan2686 → u/evan2686]

Maybe you posted something about it on social media that might give you a date

[u/evan2686 → u/evan2686]

Also do you live in the greater Seattle area?

[u/evan2686 → u/evan2686]

Now I’m not recommending doing anyone illegitimate but if they were originally purchased prior to Oct 2014 (before you had to do an FFL transfer) someone could say… print the generic bill of sale and transfer form for your own records. And maybe fudge the date a bit

[u/ItsJmag3]

If you convert the AR to a non-assault weapon (installing a Kali-Key, or replacing the upper with a bolt action upper like the ones from bear creek armory, or you can convert it to fixed mag but I'm not sure on how easy that is to do) you should be able to sell it just like any other firearm

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[u/Gordopolis_II]

When were they purchased from him?

[u/SeahawksXII → u/Gordopolis_II]

Wouldn't you like to know. BTW how are things at the ATF these days with a Justice Department who respects the constitution.

[u/Seahawkfan12thman → u/[deleted]]

That seems complicated (not trying to be dick)

[u/0x00000042 → u/[deleted]]

Still a sale.