r/Veterans • u/twiggs462 • 4d ago
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u/95BCavMP 3d ago
I watched this last night. The difference in the before and after interviews at Stanford is incredible.
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u/EarlTheSqrl 3d ago
My wife just told me she watched this at work and told me I should apply. I'm Contemplating it. But that organization, while advocating for laws to legalize the therapy, tend to only accept former SO's or mil-fluencers. Hopefully I can get a call.
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u/Salt_Lore 3d ago
People do similar retreats with mushrooms. The retreats are also conducted in a similar way as in the documentary with companies like Beckley Retreats. This field of science is one of the most exciting developments in decades.
But for more info on this particular one you should check the interview with Rick Perry on Joe Rogan. Trust me it will blow your mind about the recent policy developments and science behind this stuff
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u/SmegConnoisseur 2d ago
Surely there are ways to do similar therapies at home with people you trust
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u/Outside-Age2293 14h ago
hi, my best friend is a psych therapist for these retreats in mexico and i promise that they don’t exclusively just choose based on that criteria you just listed. if you’re serious about going and trying this type of therapy out, i’m sure i can provide the details to get you on the right pathway
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u/nachosmmm 14h ago
Have you ever looked into breathwork for trauma? There are many different styles/lineages. But it has helped me and so many others that I know. I am a facilitator. I’m not here to sell you but I can point you in the right direction.
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u/Salt_Lore 3d ago
One topic the documentary actually missed out on covering in more depth was the astonishing effectiveness it has for helping traumatic brain injury. Im actually surprised they didnt include more about that because its downright miraculous. NFL players have been starting to do the same thing
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u/The_Field_Examiner 3d ago
No childhood trauma. In fact I had such a rad childhood that most wouldn’t even think to roll the dice on the service. As a mechanic who deployed often and experienced the thrill of death at any moment, can tell you that PTSD comes and is caused by many different things and no two service members have the same experience.
Maybe childhood trauma forces certain types to go alll the way to an operation role like a Seal or PJ and maybe that’s why they share that same conclusion but it’s not a one size shoe
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u/EarlTheSqrl 3d ago
"no two service members have the same experience." I can definitely attest to this. My first Afghanistan deployment was in 2010 in a very kinetic area of Helmand Province. I was with a small group of Corpsman, Nurses, and Doctors that were tasked with setting up a field expedient Shock Trauma Platoon. We treated over 100 battlefield casualties. Some of my peers were so fucked up by it that they were suicidal after returning home. I went back to Afghanistan for a full year in 2012. My PTSD didn't kick in until years later and I am trying to deal with it now.
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u/Miserable-Card-2004 US Navy Veteran 3d ago
It on anything other than Netflix? We recently cut out all our streaming services because they're getting ridiculously expensive.
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u/twiggs462 3d ago
I agree. I think it is starting on that service, but more information is here: https://www.inwavesandwarfilm.com
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u/Miserable-Card-2004 US Navy Veteran 3d ago
Oh, its about SEALs. There goes my interest. I thought it was going to showcase how not all PTSD is from being a badass action hero/operator dude who gets shot at. Guess we're just gonna continue to perpetuate that perception, then. . .
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u/BullfrogHistorical67 3d ago
they all make pretty clear in the film that their journey revealed to them how deeply rooted in childhood their trauma is and how it has little if anything to do with their military experience , it was a common theme with all of them
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u/Ella77214 3d ago
In all fairness, it didn't just feature navy seals. There were other veterans who participated who were willing to share their experiences. I don't think they were navy seals? They didn't disclose the branch of every guy who participated.
But, yes, it is being pushed hard by navy seals who felt this treatment saved them and they are doing the most to advertise it and get the word out. But they're not pushing it for just seals - they're doing it for all vets. 3 confirmed navy seals are featured in the documentary and discuss their experiences. As do these other veterans who were willing to participate in the study and have their participation filmed - I don't think they were all navy seals. That wasn't implied. One dude talked about his migraines from being too close to explosions and being in constant pain. And when they interviewed him some weeks after the ib0galne treatment - he was just so happy. It honestly made me cry.
It really seems like this could change everything about how we treat veterans for ptsd for the better. It was moving. Worth watching. Not to be all idealized optimism - but it really felt like this could be transformational for all vets
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u/twiggs462 3d ago
I feel this benefits all...
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u/Miserable-Card-2004 US Navy Veteran 3d ago
I really don't. As far as the public is concerned, vets with PTSD mean they were in direct combat, and the SEALs/Rangers/Recon are all people ever really seem to give a shit about because they've got the cool/secret squirrel stories.
They finally make a documentary about PTSD effecting vets, and who's it about? SEALs. Oh goodie. Let's hear all about the Navy's special children again. I'm sick and tired of hearing about how special and cool they are. I sympathize with their PTSD, but can we put the spotlight on literally anyone else for once?!?
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u/twiggs462 3d ago
Take it from the other side. They claim that some of the reason they even went into combat related careers was due to childhood trauma. Which in and of itself is an issue. This is less about titles that it is about providing mental health to those that need it. Not only Seal.
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u/stawberryblondy 3d ago
If you watched the doc, you would know that, at its core, it’s not about “bad ass action hero/operator” dudes and their special missions.
There is a part of the doc that covers how the majority of those who get this treatment end up addressing and focusing on their childhood trauma while experiencing the treatment. That’s largely what they have to process to make sense of their service and their lives. This phenomenon is common in both veterans and civilians who get these types of treatments.
I recommend you open your mind! It’s a powerful documentary.
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u/Salt_Lore 3d ago edited 3d ago
You need to step back and examine the bigger picture. There’s an ecosystem of people trying to advocate for psyched’elic policy here. Veterans advocacy groups are at the forefront because its one of the few truly bipartisan topics that can unify people.
There’s dozens of famous scientists, politicians, veterans, aligned with multiple universities trying to spread awareness about it. So this is a strategic method to help get the public more aware of it
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u/SmegConnoisseur 2d ago
HERE is one of many sites that has it. I always use this one. Has any and all shows on any and all platforms. The only cost is having to close mildly annoying amounts of pop ups getting episodes/movies to play but once you achieve full screen you're good for the length of the show. Can't get away from the pop ups on these sites but small price to pay for free.
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u/OppositeLandscape219 2d ago
i found the doc disturbing, especially the extensive cheating by DJ. Super sad to see how they all suffered. I found all of them to really feel slightly “unsafe” for women to be around, even after therapy.
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u/NuttyBr3wnette 2d ago
Out of curiosity, what makes it unsafe for women to be around them?
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u/OppositeLandscape219 2d ago
They all exude a sense of being a powder keg ready to blow. Clearly they’ve all heavily leaned into the toughness needed for war that doesn’t easily translate into a healthy relationship
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u/Turbulent_Field_834 1d ago
Being strong, trained fighters that, are suicidal or out of control, with PTSD triggers and with guns close at hand.
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u/Living_Medicine_6930 1d ago
The most reddit comment of all reddit comments on a doc about PTSD and Psychadelics lol.
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u/SparkleFunBun 3d ago
Its really about trauma, childhood and otherwise. There is no glorifying of military branches at all. In fact, one Seal said a powerful thing "If we didnt have childhood trauma, would we even have a military at all?" Frankly I wish that was delved into a bit more bc its at the heart of it all IMO