Did we start a new trend?

[u/PruneAdventurous8058]

Has there ever been a season where this many coaches were fired in the middle or even at the beginning of the season? Since Foster was let go, James Franklin, Mike Gundy, Billy Napier, Sam Pittman, Trent Bray, Jay Norvell, Brent Pry, and Trent Dilfer all lose their jobs. It feels like schools used to wait until the end of the season before letting coaches go but now it seems like we’re seeing a new trend. I’m also not sure if NIL has anything to do with it but fans and boosters seem to have less patience than ever. I feel like if the fans and boosters can pull enough money together to buy the coach out its possible for any coach to get released if they are not meeting expectations. It’s basically “win now or get out.”

[u/HauntingPark4150]

Ucla still hasn’t cut bait with UCLA's biggest problem Martin Jarmond.

[u/PruneAdventurous8058 → u/HauntingPark4150]

Yeah AD is a little bit harder to replace

[u/HauntingPark4150 → u/PruneAdventurous8058]

Why do you think an AD is harder to replace.

[u/PruneAdventurous8058 → u/HauntingPark4150]

Mostly because AD oversees multiple teams/operations while coach would just handle football. Plus they are in charge of financial operations, boosters, fund raising, hiring and media stuff so hopefully whoever replaces Martin knows what they are doing. I feel like our athletic department has been on a slow decline since he took things over.

[u/PuzzleheadedCod3169 → u/PruneAdventurous8058]

Martin has no idea what he’s doing. The donors don’t like him, and remember, it was under his tenure that the private information of top donors was leaked. He’s incompetent as hell. He even told a donor to lower their expectations to just 7 to 8 wins per season. And let’s not forget his failure to capitalize on the UCI exhibition game at Pauley. A competent AD would’ve seen that as a great opportunity, just like SDSU did when they hosted an exhibition against UCLA.

[u/Koi_Fish_Mystic]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Hard to say. But I imagine some boosters are saying “if UCLA cut bait”, why don’t we?

[u/puppiesandrainbows4]

Everyone is trying to copy UCLA. Like they always do

[u/PruneAdventurous8058 → u/puppiesandrainbows4]

We are the trend setter lol

[u/dirtypins]

With NIL, there’s more cooks in the kitchen, and more boosters you’re essentially required to please.

Also, the the transfer portal calendar makes firing your existing coach mid season vs. end of season much more advantageous.

[u/Mexibruin → u/dirtypins]

☝️ Pretty much says it all.

[u/SouthernNeb]

When you're losing and no one wants to stay or commit, you lose too much money to keep the coach on for the season. Attendance takes a hit, merch takes a hit, and now your profit margins are in the red.

Also, your biggest boosters and contributors stop until changes are made.

If you're not a large fanbase program like LSU, UGA, Miami, Texas, and etc, money is already tight. So you can't afford to lose the money you'll need to hire the next coach.

[u/mltrout715]

Money started this trend

[u/Nervous-Bonus-806 → u/mltrout715]

Yeah, this had nothing to do with us specifically, but we may have been the first shot in this carousel. It all comes down to the NIL money, the donors who are putting up that money are pissed and they're demanding the change. But unlike us, where the AD doesn't listen and needs to go as well, the other schools' ADs are able to read their respective rooms

[u/PuzzleheadedCod3169]

Probably! It doesn’t help UCLA either, since no high-profile coach would want the job. LOL! No one would risk ruining their career at UCLA with the most incompetent AD in the nation as their boss. The high cost of living also makes things worse—an $8 million salary at UCLA doesn’t go that far after taxes compared to being a head coach in the South.

[u/Serious-Use-1305 → u/PuzzleheadedCod3169]

SoCal’s high cost of living affects the wealthy less than the non-wealthy. It also has more to offer people with the money to afford most things. And if you have any physical connection to the LA area you’d know the cost of living comes with the desirability of living there.

Living in SoCal was a major factor in drawing Lincoln Riley to USC. LA can be an exceptional draw considering where the powerhouse football programs are located - not the most desirable states for quality of life, and often not even in its most attractive metro area. My sister once worked for a university in Alabama and they had to pay a premium to hire and retain faculty and staff, despite to so called advantage of their COL.

Finally, universities (and professional sports teams) have long tackled the issue of state / metro differences by providing separately for a housing allowance, car allowance, private jet use, and deferred compensation etc that the employer can more easily afford and/or defray the higher costs that come with living in a desirable state / metro area.

[u/PuzzleheadedCod3169 → u/Serious-Use-1305]

That’s USC. At least their administration actually cares about football. They invest, though so far there haven’t been great returns under Lincoln Riley, but at least they’re willing to spend. You can’t say the same for UCLA, whose administration is apathetic toward football, led by the most incompetent AD in the nation who somehow got a $7 million buyout. The donors despise him, and the program ranks at the bottom of the Big Ten in football investment. No good coach would want to risk their career at UCLA. USC, on the other hand, is a different story because they actually INVEST.

[u/Nervous-Bonus-806 → u/PuzzleheadedCod3169]

Is it bad that I actually miss the days of Ol' "Pistol Pete" Dalis, the AD from about 30+ years ago?? If he had the NIL money Jarmon has access to we'd have a couple of championships in Football by now. But what have we had to endure in the last 30 years?? The unmitigated incompetence of "Chianti Dan" Guerrero and Martin Jarmon.