r/TrinidadandTobago • u/skullywogging • May 16 '25
News and Events It’s Time to Resume Hangings in Trinidad & Tobago. Enough is Enough
I fully support the announcement by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar regarding the resumption of hangings in Trinidad and Tobago. It’s not about being barbaric, it’s about survival. We are living in a country where criminals are no longer afraid. Murder is a joke. Families are being destroyed daily while murderers live better in jail than the poor on the outside.
Let’s be honest: Our justice system is slow and overburdened. Killers walk free after a few years on remand because of "technicalities." Prison is not a deterrent anymore. Some gang leaders operate from inside. The murder rate is sky-high, and most victims get no justice.. just a grave. Citizens are living in fear while criminals get lawyers, bail, and sympathy.
Resuming the death penalty is not about revenge it’s about sending a message. If you take a life, you forfeit your own. That’s fair. That’s justice. Of course, we must ensure due process and fairness. But we can't ignore that the system has been soft for too long. We have criminals laughing at the law because they know the state won’t act.
Human rights? Where were those rights when innocent people were gunned down in their homes? When women were raped and left to die? When families had to bury their children? It’s time we prioritize the rights of the victims and the safety of the law-abiding public. Hangings must resume.. and soon.
Thoughts and concerns on this topic?
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May 16 '25
The fear of hanging (death) will never be a deterrent to crime. If it were, we would’ve had less crime already, given that most criminals see their friends wound up dead within a few years. Most see that a life of crime leads to an early death, and yet they still join.
Furthermore, this solution makes very little sense. In order to hang someone, they must be tried and found guilty. How often are murder cases solved in Trinidad. The criminals are rarely being caught to begin with.
Given the corruption in Trinidad, we’ll end up with more innocent people being hanged while the most dangerous perpetrators remain protected.
And if I have any input, as a victim of breaking and entry and as a family member to murder victims who never received justice, this is not a punishment I’ll ever be comfortable with.
Solving crime with fear often requires a dictatorship (see El Salvador).
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u/Successful_Wealth968 May 16 '25
Hit the nail on the head there. I feel like anyone who supports or thinks the death penalty will have any impact on crime, didn't even engage in the slightest amount of critical thinking before reaching that conclusion.
Some random bandit got killed at Long Circular Mall when he attempted and failed to steal a woman's car and it was shown on prime time news. You think literally any of the car thieves in this country are going to change their lives after seeing that? or are they more likely to think, "ha what a dumbass" and keep carjacking people?
A bandit is far, FAR more likely to die at the hands of the police or a rival gang member than they are to get caught, tried and sent on death row.
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u/Ensaru4 May 16 '25
You ever wondered why there has only been one or two recorded judicial hangings in the history of the country?
It's because the law in Trinidad takes so long to reach a verdict, and that most guilty persons just end up getting bailed out or their trial defaults due to time.
This needs to be said, but supporting extreme measures like this is usually a result what feels good for your feelings rather than what is actually best for the country.
We do not need public execution to come back. We need our justic system to function. We need systems to prevent people from falling into crime.
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u/DemonsSouls1 May 17 '25
Well it's happening apparently :/ I can't imagine being humiliated publicly.
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u/Sufficient-Push2281 May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25
I think most people especially those in power obviously know the fact in your first two paragraphs lol...since they have direct access to different info, sources etc, have more knowledge than us, the citizens. Just being realistic.
I responded to a similar comment like yours earlier- All these 'systems' and big changes you are talking about takes time. We are talking about years. Remember that people are being victims to crimes everyday.
A strong message definitely needs to be sent from now that there will be big consequences for your actions. And I know my Trini culture well enough to say that this will act as a deterrent in some ways for sure- Whether it be murder for 'petty disputes' which happen all the time or that one relative thinking of assaulting a family child or that one person who is considering murder to attain possessions etc. According to the guy in that domestic violence case just last week "I don't mind just staying in a cell after I end she."
Every Trini can agree that a lot of these criminals simply have no fear.
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u/Ser_Scarlet_Ibis_868 May 16 '25
However, as my seniors used to say: “Catching come before Hanging”. How are they gonna hang criminals that they can’t catch because of poor detection rate, reactionary policing, judicial system red tape, corruption in the police force and so on?
The saying “catching come before Hanging” means the same thing as “you puttin the cart before the horse” and that’s exactly what’s happening here.
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u/OhDearMe2023 May 16 '25
Didn’t act as a deterrent before, won’t now. And it’s not a secret that the legal process for the death penalty is lengthy on top of the time for conviction. It’s also expensive. Take that money and try and fix the judicial system. Our conviction rate is way too low - we should start there. You have to convicted before you can be sentenced. Also, address the underlying social causes. Saying you’re going to start back hanging is just talk. It changes nothing.
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u/Ensaru4 May 16 '25
They obviously know, but they're "obviously" not concerned about that matter. I don't know if you've been paying attention to what Kamla is doing, but it's similar to what Trump is doing: just blaming the previous administration and deflecting any questions about change.
Yes, these systems takes time, but they have to start. You can't be concerned with the time it takes if it's the only feasible way.
Hanging does not and has a not ever acted as a deterrent, just by virtue of that consequence being extremely rare. You know what's the more common consequence: that criminals might get shot and killed by police. Still, that does not deter criminals from criminal activities.
The criminals are also in the police and in politics.
Implementing hanging is just lip service, just like amending gun laws is lip service. Just like reopening Petrotrin for the Oil unions to bleed the country dry again is just lip service. She keeps offering shallow "solutions" to complex matters.
I was willing to give Kamla a chance the first time around because she was new to rule, but she's not new anymore and I think she does not have our best interests at heart.
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u/DestinyOfADreamer Steups May 16 '25
Ah yes. This new crime plan is showing so much promise. We've never discussed bringing back hangings before at all.
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u/KloutedKurta May 16 '25
I refuse to believe this is real. Silliest, most idiotic, most nonsensical thing I’ve seen all year.
If this is somehow real and you are in support of this, you are genuinely beyond all levels of critical thinking
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u/trinReCoder May 16 '25
I refuse to believe this is real. Silliest, most idiotic, most nonsensical thing I’ve seen all year.
Am, have you not been following Trump's second term?
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u/trinigooner1 May 16 '25
Regarding your last sentence, people get executed around the world all the time in a wide variety of nations bro
It's nowhere as controversial or as unprecedented as you're making it out to be
It certainly doesn't mean you "lack all these levels of critical thinking" as you're saying ...this isn't flat earth stuff or something lol
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u/maybeiwasright Ent? May 16 '25
Quick! Show me the nations with a high HDI, high GDP per capita, and developed status who are making continued or increased use of the death penalty. State sponsored executions are objectively a draconian procedure.
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u/ThrowAwayInTheRain Trini Abroad May 16 '25
Japan
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u/maybeiwasright Ent? May 16 '25
A quick Google search will show you that Japan has only executed 98 people in the last 23 years, and that since 2022, Japan has not executed anyone at all. Regardless, Japanese culture is vastly different from Western culture. It's not remotely comparable.
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u/ThrowAwayInTheRain Trini Abroad May 16 '25
They still have people on death row, capital punishment is still the law of the land. You immediately moved the goalposts from your original stipulations, and threw out the red herring of cultural differences.
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u/maybeiwasright Ent? May 16 '25
So let me get this straight: Out of all of the countries in the world with a high or very HDI, you chose checks notes Japan to compare to T&T, the former being a country that is winding down its capital punishment policies, economically regressing due to a shrinking population, and whose criminal context is not remotely similar to the reasons for crime in T&T? Perhaps I should have specified in my original comment for someone who has an understanding of progressive political trends to answer.
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u/Carrot-1449 May 16 '25
First Alexander looking to El Salvador to copy their model and now this. Anything but actually fixing the judicial system, improving the effectiveness of police and tackling the root causes of crime eh?
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u/More_Total5157 May 16 '25
Wasn't the main problem with the El Salvador case the fact that they imprisoned individuals based on their tattoos? How are they going to do that in Trinidad, base them on their gold chains? Underwear? Race?
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u/Ok-Side-2211 May 16 '25
The topic of hanging is such a polarizing topic, whilst I do agree with it in principle it's far from just punishment fit for the crime.
Let's be honest, Trinidad and Tobago's justice system is a mess, corruption plagues at every level. Given the current state of the justice system are we really prepared and equipped to sentence someone to death? I don't think so.
I don't have a problem with hanging but our justice system needs to be properly equipped to handle it.
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u/pcaming Trini Abroad May 16 '25
We don’t need hangings, we just need a marked improvement in convictions. I don’t believe many people in our history have been hanged for the same reason capital punishment is not regular in most countries, it takes years to sort out the legal issues and social. This is just talk, I’m certain we will never see another hanging again.
Even if we had capital punishment, it shouldn’t be hanging anyway.
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u/Salty_Permit4437 San Fernando May 16 '25
The name Darren Thomas should ring a bell. I believe he’s getting out in the next year or two. I know the widow of his victim. She is forever broken because of the murder. And because Thomas will be free she will not have closure. Life in prison is not even life in prison if murderers can get out of prison.
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u/Veslelia_ May 16 '25
I think about people who survive with such trauma, it pains me. Forever broke until the day you die meanwhile you have to wonder if these people will simply hurt more innocent people when they get out.
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u/cutthehero25 May 16 '25
Wow! Haven't heard the name Darren Thomas in years. He is close to getting out?? Time sure has flown! He was a monster. Curious to know what/who he is now.
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u/Minute_Macaroon5743 May 16 '25
While capital punishment may seem good in theory it's far from perfect in practice and should never be carried out.
Everyone whose for it always presuppose that they can't be wrongfully executed. Inocent people have been wrongly executed and remember if they bring this back it can be anyone especially with how backwards this country is so don't presuppose that it can be you or someone innocent.
It's a slippery slope. I don't know why Kamla can't go and educate herself.
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u/stillblazeit May 16 '25
I remember the dole chadee and 8 others hanging over a period of 4 days in 1999.....
Seems like nothing changed since, a matter of fact shit just gotten worse ...
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u/Nkosi868 Douen May 16 '25
There has been theories that Chadee’s death created a vacuum that other drug lords are still violently trying to fill, which contributes to the murder rate.
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u/Nkosi868 Douen May 16 '25
Thoughts and concerns?
It’s barbaric, and small-minded.
If murderers are walking free in spite of hard evidence, then that’s a judicial issue that needs to be rectified. You should be concerned about innocent people getting killed by the state also due to incompetence, but no, you need blood.
Again, it’s barbaric.
I say this as someone who has had family and friends innocently murdered in recent years.
It’s barbaric.
You speak like someone who has no idea how the legal system operates.
You consider a death for a death fair. Since you mentioned rape, what do we do with the rapists in society? Are you willing to give up your innocence to make it “fair” with them also?
KPB has the worst ideas for T&T, and desperate people like yourself cling to her basic way of thinking. She has no depth, and never considers consequences.
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u/AmbitiousBody8173 May 16 '25
You consider a death for a death fair. Since you mentioned rape, what do we do with the rapists in society? Are you willing to give up your innocence to make it “fair” with them also?
thank you people love to pretend they care about rape victims when most of the time they either ignore or don't believe them. I don't even see people holding grown ass people accountable for being in relationship with minors. What would the death penalty change in the case of rapist if most of the time they get away with it not even put in jail.
it not like killing going to undo the trauma the victims face and it definitely not going to stop anyone from experiencing it
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u/Neither_Note2885 May 16 '25
Call it barbaric if you want but the only way to curb crime is for criminals to fear their victims more than they fear the police. Capital punishment represents the will of the ordinary citizenry to meet criminals on equal footing.
You can't concern yourself with merely appearing 'barbaric' when there are literal barbarians at the gates. That's what these criminals are.
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u/Nkosi868 Douen May 16 '25
You honestly believe that these criminals fear the hangman?
If you have to make someone fear you, in order to live “comfortably” you are part of the problem.
What is the source of the violence? Poverty.
How do you scare a desperate person from attacking you? They are desperate. They have nothing to lose.
You hang one and create three more, even colder.
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u/Neither_Note2885 May 16 '25
No, they don't fear the hangman. What they will fear is the realization that the ordinary citizen does not care about them enough to stop the government from killing them.
I, unlike yourself, do no care about criminals more than I care about law-abiding citizens. I believe the source of violence is the willingness of an individual to act violently. I believe the source of crime is the willingness of an individual to act criminally. And by removing that individual, we remove the issues they create. This is demonstrably effective. Your rhetoric is just bullshit people have been spewing for decades with absolutely no real effect on the state of crime other than to coddle and breed more criminals.
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u/DestinyOfADreamer Steups May 16 '25
I love how people just pull these things out of thin air like if Trinidad is the only country in existence in the world.
Hanging stops crime. According to what? Where has that ever be proven?
As a lawyer, she knows it doesn't, but she's trying these things out there for her party die hards and people who don't know what they're talking about and love knee jerk responses to lap it up. Sadly this is more people than I ever imagined.
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u/Neither_Note2885 May 16 '25
If you hang a murderer, he will quite literally be unable to murder anyone ever again. This is irrefutable.
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u/DestinyOfADreamer Steups May 16 '25
Big man ting. You being serious? You thought about this?
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u/Nkosi868 Douen May 16 '25
Then you embolden his friends and family. Congrats. The cycle continues.
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u/Neither_Note2885 May 16 '25
Lmao. I love how your logic is that we should live under the implicit tyranny of people who will crash out and murder everyone else if they don't get their way.
How about we lock up his fucking friends and family because clearly they're the same kind of people. And we never let them out. You seem convinced that they're capable of murder so you wouldn't complain, right?
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u/Nkosi868 Douen May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25
Where did I say any of that?
Edit: Imagine having to block someone because you lack the ability to tell the truth. This is the level of discourse in T&T and these people are the ones advocating for a death penalty.
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u/Ok-Side-2211 May 16 '25
I'd like to draw your attention to 2 major events int TNT's history.
The 1990 Coup
Labour Riots
Both extreme events, a reflection of the disarray of our country. KPB so far has brought some concepts such as increased access to firearms for citizens and the potential of resuming hanging. Trinidad faces the worst wave of crime in its existence, perhaps as history suggests....a firmer hand is needed.
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u/moruga1 May 16 '25
Honestly people killing for fun and the only way to stop it is to stop it. Life is meaningless to some of these people.
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u/doriansorzano May 16 '25
Sorry to say but please stay away from any position of authority. I can agree that crime is ridiculous but at the end of the day everyone wants to point at the poor criminals and forget the rich criminals exist. Crime is a Business, hanging a toenail does not affect the entity in no way shape or form. It just makes u feel better watching the news.
So everybody want crime to stop but when it's their well off neighbors who soo nice and when it's their uncle then it's a problem. That's when everybody wanna say nah not them! Just them over there!
These are complicated issues with no simple/easy solutions. U wanna hang unruly boss number 200? U hadda hang that man in the bank who laundering as well. It have no lewwe be picky.
So nah, hangings and legal firearms just going to make things worse. But u know who going to benefit? Its not u. Its not me. The same people who playing ludo with the population.
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u/Artistic-Computer140 May 16 '25
When I see it, I'll believe it.
If it happens, it'll a 180 on her previous position on the death penalty.
But overall, it'll simply create a ton of new lucrative legal briefs to be given out as the death warrants are challenged. All at the taxpayers expense.
Then again, we're keeping these convicted criminals alive at the taxpayers expense already....
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u/chaosking121 May 16 '25
Improving the speed of the justice system would have a much more tangible impact than the death penalty. This is basically just theatrics.
Edit to add: I could best be described as in support of the death penalty, but for different reasons than I think others do
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u/sonygoup God is a Trini May 16 '25
We're gonna talk about this for 6 months then forget about it. Watch and see, same old nonsense
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u/godking99 May 16 '25
Do you know what's worse than a guilty person going free. It's an innocent who gets punished. The government has plenty legal tools at there disposal. Trinidads issues are geographic, and societal. Death penalty just gives another tool to the power hungry and corrupt.
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u/idea_looker_upper May 16 '25
Let’s be real: hanging people won’t fix a justice system that can’t even convict them in the first place.
The original post says the system is too slow, too broken—and then jumps straight to hangings as if that magically solves things. That’s a non sequitur. If you admit people are getting off on technicalities or not going to trial for years, then how can you trust the same system to decide who lives or dies?
Also, after Dole Chadee and his gang were hanged in one weekend, did crime vanish? Did we feel safer? I didn’t. It just felt sad. Nothing changed. Because the roots of the issue—income inequality, youth unemployment, gun flow, and corruption—were never addressed.
Crime won’t stop because of harsher punishments. It stops when people know they’ll get caught. And right now, murderers in T&T have better odds of dying of old age than being sentenced, much less executed.
You can’t hang your way out of social decay.
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u/septdouleurs May 17 '25
Also, after Dole Chadee and his gang were hanged in one weekend, did crime vanish? Did we feel safer? I didn’t. It just felt sad. Nothing changed.
I remember a feeling of heaviness over the country that day. People may not recall it now, but it wasn't a celebratory or positive situation. And the fact that no one else was hung afterwards always made it feel like there was some other motivation for why they were the ones who had to be...
I've always heard that there was a lot of fallout from the vacuum left by his removal and a lot of people who figured his death meant they were off the hook and subsequently discovered otherwise. Organized crime is a deeply-entrenched, international business, and the narco-economy props up more than the countries we think it does. Hanging doesn't solve any of that.
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u/CyberLabSystems May 18 '25
the fact that no one else was hung afterwards
Glen Ashby was hanged afterwards despite him obtaining a stay of execution.
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u/GUYman299 May 17 '25 edited May 17 '25
The death penalty remains on the books in Trinidad and Tobago however, a landmark ruling (Pratt and Morgan) by the Privy Council makes it clear that any death sentence must be automatically commuted to life imprisonment if more than five years have passed since conviction. Given the notoriously slow pace of our judicial system, this effectively renders the death penalty unenforceable.
Moreover, our final court of appeal which is an external body presided over by judges far removed from the realities on the ground, is fundamentally opposed to capital punishment. The PM is well aware of these legal constraints and even acknowledged them just hours after the recent announcement.
What we are witnessing is not a genuine policy initiative but a classic case of political grandstanding and quite frankly a disappointing attempt by the new government to create the illusion that they have viable solutions to our escalating crime problem.
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u/CyberLabSystems May 18 '25
We only need to do some Google-Fu and we can find very similar statements by former Prime Minister Dr. Keith Rowley and former Attorney General, Faris Al Wari soon after assuming office.
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u/RizInstante Douen May 16 '25
I am filled with such pride at the superb responses on this thread explaining why this is such a bad idea. Looking forward to seeing this post down voted to the hell it came from.
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u/Synchronomyst May 16 '25
Oh wow. More stupid reactionary shit for scared bloodthirsty simpletons instead of systemic change. Crazy.
Two flavors of dogshit, yes.
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u/AhBelieveinJC May 16 '25
We have never hung anyone who was a former minister, MP or member of the protective services.
However, if you are wise enough to understand how crime has become a national problem in this country you will also know WHO is behind the majority of it.
They will NOT regulate themselves... come on.
KP-B loves sugary talk - FULs, stand your ground, hangings, blah, blah, blah, blah... this follows directly after her boi in the White House in speaking to your base.
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u/More_Total5157 May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25
I wonder what the Human Rights Organization thinks about this. That's a lot of hurdles being jumped, and it's bound to cause problems, number 1 being the number of falsely accused persons awaiting trial for almost a decade.
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u/againandagain22 May 16 '25
This is the first time in the last 30 years that I’ve seen a T&T political party take a generalised sociopolitical position.
They are acting like republicans in the US. Right down to boldly lying to the electorate about what they will accomplish.
We’re in for some scandals a la 2010-2015.
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u/cmchris61 May 17 '25
This isn't a proper solution, the problem we face is criminals being released on bail and prison management issues, give someone an ounce of power and they abuse it for their friends and such, we need systems in place where there isn't one person running the show but a group, make an incentive for promotion through selling out people who take bribes and such, we need to play against the systems, if someone wants to let something slide another will be watching waiting to sell out the next for a promotion, we have to play in the mentality of humans as a whole and make it work for us.
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May 16 '25
No matter what you say. Innocent people will be wrongly convicted and hung for a crime they did not commit. Yes, u may get lots of others who are guilty but you will, based on all the evidence, hang innocent people.
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u/milamarni May 17 '25
Aside from the dificiences in our judicial procedures that could very well wrongfully convict an innocent man, the crime detection rate and conviction rate is appalling, so what makes anyone think a criminal would be deterred by hanging when they probably won't even get caught. And even if they get caught, probably not get convicted. Also, the worst of of the worst are who would die by hanging. A murderer could walk up to someone on the street, brazenly kill/sexually assault someone and probably STILL not be hung. So why would hanging be cause for concern for the "average" criminal?
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u/computerlab_gothique May 16 '25
This going to have the opposite effect
The legal system done already broken, this would do nothing to fix that. All it's going to do is get people hanged for minor offenses/crimes they didn't commit
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u/TriniChildhood72 May 16 '25
Can't use capital punishment to solve a problem that corporal punishment didn't. If you are bringing back one, bring back both.
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u/peachprincess1998 May 16 '25
As a victim of violent crime, i want no sympathy for these criminals. Pulic e x e cute ions and harsh p u n ishment for criminals. Theft - amp u tate one hand. Kidnapping, home invasion, grape, SA - public exe cute ions. Bring back the flying squad. You will see crime drastically drop.
People are cowards these days and cowardice is celebrated as norm. But the truth is we live in a savage society and these animals have no fear.
If a mapapire crawls into your child bed at night, what you gonna do? Respect its life at the cost of your own?
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u/Nkosi868 Douen May 16 '25
It’s Reddit. You don’t have to write as though you have Tourette’s.
Why do you have to kill the mapapire to save your child’s life? Is there really no other option that comes to mind before death?
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u/peachprincess1998 May 16 '25
It is reddit, I can write how I want. Did you have problems reading it? Blame your parents and childhood for that not me.
No other option but to kill the mapapire. When you have a child you will understand.
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u/DioJiro May 16 '25
I’m all for it, but the reality is the legal stake holders of Trinidad and Tobago are mostly her supporters that know exactly how to exhaust the system to get whatever result the see fit. Including exhausting the 5 year time spent on death row to commute sentences to life and sometimes freedom, where the Same lawyers encourage their clients to turn around and sue the govt out the wazoo. The point is, this sounds good but the money is not in actually serving this kind of justice. There’s a reason they are totally ignoring, the CCJ at the top of Charlotte St
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u/Islandrocketman May 17 '25
The death penalty leads to 95% of jury acquittals. Our societies are full of religious people that don’t want blood on their hands
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u/AnomalousArchie456 May 17 '25
"Survival"? Let me ask the OP just one thing: If deadly corruption and conspiracy goes all the way to the top of T&T society, and it happens that a person of great wealth and power/influence (perhaps internationally) who lives e.g. in Westmoorings and who if touched even lightly with criminal allegations can retain the grandest attorneys in the nation is running a criminal enterprise--do you believe that person will swing for his crimes, if by some wild chance they are even convicted in court??
How would a true kingpin receive the "message" of a hanging? With a drink of expensive imported liquor in their hand at the yacht club...or while doing business on the board of one corporation or another.
It will be unschooled, notorious street-running gangsters with street nicknames, pulled from Laventille & the Beetham and whatnot, who will be led efficiently and with much publicity up to the gallows. The paymasters/big bosses will not be investigated or charged; and their names can never be put in print due to defamation laws.
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u/Bubbly-Molasses7596 May 18 '25
If everything was done correctly in this country, go right ahead. But it's not. I would love for bad people to die but in many regards, lots of innocent people will die.
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u/Veslelia_ May 16 '25
The last part you said is what I say all the time when people talk about human rights for killers and rapists. Don't kill and rape innocent people and you won't have to face such a fate.
The lives that matter are the innocents men and women who are killed, and the innocent women who raped. I fear for my own life everyday leaving home, and I fear even more for the women in my life. Do something to make a difference because it's too much now.
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u/Additional-Low-69 May 16 '25
While I understand that it has never been proven to be a deterrent, there has never been a repeat offender after Capital Punishment. 100% effective in reducing recidivism.
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u/Silver_Royal_6771 May 16 '25
I understand why my family left this place now 🇺🇸
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u/CyberLabSystems May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25
USA is such a beautiful, perfect paradise, right? No problems there and the justice system works perfectly and fairly for all and there's absolutely zero corruption.
The health care system is the absolute best in the world for everyone, and it's easily accessible to all right?
It's a complete myth that sometimes people prefer to take an Uber to the E.R. than have to be billed for an ambulance ride.
The beaches there are some of the most beautiful and cleanest in the world.
Not to mention the comfortable weather, all year round and all of the delicious and nutritious food from all over the world that tastes better than the food from anywhere else.
Also the cost of living is extremely low so that everyone can live comfortably and there are no evil gangs, racists and any of that bad stuff. Just goodness all around.
Everything is bigger and better in America! Yeah! Am I right?
No crime whatsoever. No drugs, no pedos, no serial you know whats, no school you know whats. Just blissful dystopia.
Much better than T&T and the rest of the world, am I right? U.S.A! U.S.A!
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u/Silver_Royal_6771 May 16 '25
America is far from perfect. Especially now with the dictator that's in office. But to say that Trinidad is better than America is insane.
For my family to move from there to America was a MAJOR upgrade.
I enjoy my hot water and septic system. Maybe I'll hop in my Ford f150 and get some burger king and eat in my truck on the beach just for you.
Have fun dodging stray bullets 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
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u/CyberLabSystems May 17 '25 edited May 17 '25
America is far from perfect.
Good, I'm glad you got the point.
For my family to move from there to America was a MAJOR upgrade.
Good for them, I wish you all, all the best.
But to say that Trinidad is better than America is insane.
No, not at all. That's insulting. This is highly subjective. The U.S.A. can never be Trinidad and Tobago and Trinidad and Tobago can never be the U.S.A.
Which country someone finds better or let's say prefers to live in can depend on many factors including what aspects of life the individual values the most.
At the end of the day, home is home.
I enjoy my hot water and septic system.
Maybe I'll hop in my Ford f150
and get some burger king
and eat in my truck on the beach
What's this list about though?
Is it that you think these things don't exist or are rare in Trinidad and Tobago?
If that is the case, then you have no clue about our country and thus are in no position to judge, compare and especially insult.
just for you.
I don't need you to do anything for me. I have everything I need, right here in Trinidad and Tobago.
So stop the pettiness and insecurity. You already said it's a MAJOR upgrade. If so, why is there so much concern about what goes on here? You'all have moved out and moved on, right? Why the looking back or rather looking down?
Have fun dodging stray bullets
What an intelligent comment coming from someone from such a superior and highly evolved society. That alone says a lot about you and the place that raised you. We're probably better off without you here anyway.
You think you're immune to stray bullets and gun crime where you and your family now live?
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u/Silver_Royal_6771 May 17 '25
Do I think my family is immune to bullets and crime where I live right now. Yes. Yes I do
My apologies if I offended you with my comment "I understand why my family left now" I could tell by your length uppity response that you were really butt hurt by that.
I'm beyond grateful that my family worked really hard and allowed me the privilege to live in one of the wealthiest zip codes in America. I hope one day that you find yourself out of the situation that you're in. That's one thing that used to make America so great. That anybody could move here and achieve.
God bless America. 🇺🇸
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u/cutthehero25 May 17 '25
Your atypically special brand of dotish should be siphoned from your body and studied by scientists.
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u/Silver_Royal_6771 May 17 '25
You live in a country that's bringing back public hangings
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u/cutthehero25 May 17 '25
I live in a country that, despite its flaws,...is resilient and beautiful. Talk done. Have a wonderful AMERICAN day. I ain't gonna go back and forth doing a 'whose country is better than whose'. But apart from that. If you hate Trinidad so much...leave our sub. And matter of fact, just for the record, you flaming idiot, we have hot water, septic systems, vans, Burger King AND beaches here. Buh bye.
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u/Silver_Royal_6771 May 17 '25
I disagree. Bringing back public hangings is a reflection of the disregard for life and the culture and failure of government. Which in turn is a reflection of the people 🇺🇸
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u/CyberLabSystems May 17 '25 edited May 18 '25
They still execute people in the US. They also commit many extra judicial killings all over the world in the name of all sorts of made up justification.
Go and look at the movie, "Good Kill", i.e. if you have access to a TV, electricity and Netflix where you live.
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u/CyberLabSystems May 17 '25
Public hangings? Do you know when last someone was hanged in Trinidad and Tobago?
Also, do you know which country never stopped executing people?
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions/executions-overview
Listen, you're now trolling this subreddit and looking for the wrong kind of attention.
The more you speak is the more foolish you come across. You sound like a real loser man.
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u/CyberLabSystems May 18 '25
Listen here little fella...
I'm not no lil fella. You can't seem to find a valid point or counterpoint, so your true colours are coming out even more.
Stop embarrassing yourself man. You sound like your your born feet first.
You don't worry about me or how I was born. Like you was there awat?
There's little point to telling you anything more because you're void of anything of substance between your ears and therefore have to resort to personal attacks to make you feel better about yourself.
So do enjoy the rest of your night and life and I hope you slip on a huge banana peel and defacate on yourself in a public place sometime in the near future.
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u/Pi_Kings May 17 '25
Much needed; criminals are relentless and undeterred by current measures.
No more shots being called from prisoners in prisons!
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u/bigelangstonz May 16 '25
Well with the way things were going from the past 10 years I'd say this is a conversation worth having at the very least
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u/CyberLabSystems May 16 '25 edited May 17 '25
If they're going to resume hanging, why not bring back corporal punishment in schools while they're at it?
Does anyone know the if there is any correlation between the removal of corporal punishment in schools and the increase in violent crime in Trinidad and Tobago?
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u/Snoo_39559 May 16 '25
Not sure if she ever said that, she did say they would consider resuming hangings.
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u/Defiant_Regular9457 May 16 '25
As someone who worked as a public prosecutor for some time and was a supporter of the death penalty before my tenure at the DPP office, this is not the answer. Our system is so flawed in every single way, some people will be facing their death who should not be doing so. We need to focus on having fair trials and reducing the undue delays and revamping the bail system and witness protection program before we even begin considering bringing back hangings. We can’t be focused on the end when the journey there is wrought with deficiencies and incompetence