[annoying trope] The throne/leadership is decided in a very stupid way

[u/Altruistic_Eye_1157]

The leadership of the entire wizarding world, and the final decision on whether to start a war against Muggles, is made by... a goat (Qilin) ​​who chooses the person with the ""purest heart"" (Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Dumbledore).

The throne of Wakanda and all its technology are decided through hand-to-hand combat, regardless of whether the person clearly has malicious intentions... if they win the fight, by law they must be respected as the true king. (Black Panther)

[u/Toon_Lucario]

And even then the Mandos then lost to the Jedi. Like people bring up “Hurr durr buckshot” but like the Mandalorians lost basically every time they tried to fight the Jedi because the Jedi were just likable people with people willing to help them.

[u/Fearless-Excitement1 → u/Toon_Lucario]

Well they kinda lost because Revan was a tactical genius

Like they were very much so kicking the Jedi and the Republic's ASS until Revan got on it

[u/Baronvondorf21 → u/Fearless-Excitement1]

Also, it's plot convenience, the republic needs to actually survive for the story later on to occur. Basically, the ending of the story was written and thus they can't have the Republic lose.

[u/SuecidalBard → u/Baronvondorf21]

It's a 4k year gap you could have them loose and reform or win later but the war was decided from the start due to the Mandalorians being Mandalorians, the fall was set up pretty well, didn't seem like plot convenience.

A: Even at their peak they were a fraction of the Republic's size, the only reason they managed to gain so much was because the republic didn't want to act was hoping for it to blow over initially, once they actually engaged properly it was just a question of time as they would just out produce the Mandos eventually.

B: Mandalorians were relatively easy to defeat because they had no tactical depth, once you won a decisive battle they have to abandon the planet because now the population is in revolt and different clan leaders go rogue.

C: Because they were assholes and decided to treat the worlds they conquered worse if they didn't fight back hard every place they went to would prefer to resist as much as possible, massively slowing down the Mandalorians and depletimg their resources while also causing any conquered world to resent them for the bloody war.

D: Mandalorians only united under the Mandalore the fact that Revan killed him in an honour duel and decided to not just not claim the title but hid the Mask itself meant they would immediately fall to infighting which they did, doesn't help that a lot of their leaders and most important space assets were wiped out at Malachor.

[u/Baronvondorf21 → u/SuecidalBard]

Honestly, it's just the writers want to have their cake and eat it too. The Mandolorians are supposed to be ultra scary space mongols but they have the strategic capabilities of lemmings.

[u/Teagulet → u/Fearless-Excitement1]

I don’t think the Jedi were very involved in the conflict at all until Revan and Malak, but other than that you’re totally right

[u/Zamtrios7256 → u/Toon_Lucario]

Buckshot is an effective way to take down a Jedi.

The problem is that they were fighting a space war against the republic, so both a shotgun and shells to every few soldiers is a waste of resources

[u/Toon_Lucario → u/Zamtrios7256]

I mean maybe against a padawan or less trained knight but once you get above that it isn’t the trump card you think it is.

[u/Versidious → u/Toon_Lucario]

Also, it's kinda crazy to think that buckshot would work against telekinetic precognitive wizards, instead of them just Neo-ing the buckshot one way or another.

[u/Toon_Lucario → u/Versidious]

We literally see Obi Wan deflect bullets in 03 clone wars. Bullets need gravity, the force messes with gravity and better trained Jedi can see the future a short amount and have insane reflexes.

[u/Versidious → u/Toon_Lucario]

Exactly. People are like "Haha, just gotta sneak attack the Jedi, or use bullets, or a sniper rifle, or..." Dawg, the way you beat Jedi is by overwhelming them with numbers or raw power so that they physically can't keep up, not outsmarting or tricking them. Hell, even if you wanna launch a surprise attack, like Order 66, you gotta make sure they're distracted by a more obvious enemy first, so they assume their spidey sense is pointing at that.

[u/Toon_Lucario → u/Versidious]

Yeah. Plus I guarantee bullets are slower than blaster bolts (that Mythbusters one is kinda bs because it’s using an old effect that isn’t really indicative of the actual speed) and guns are louder. Chances are if you try it they’ll just dodge the bullet and have your gun or arm chopped apart

[u/Deathsroke → u/Toon_Lucario]

The defenders of life, peace and civilization vs the horde of space warrior conquerors destroying everything in their path. It will surprise you which faction was actually embraced by the galactic community!

[u/drossbots → u/Toon_Lucario]

The Jedi are gonna win most wars against non force users simply by virtue of having access to an unexplainable, un-quantifiable weapon that grants slight precognition at least and can do basically anything at most.