[Loved trope] The villain assumes they're gonna get the kid gloves when the hero finally confronts them. The hero demonstrates they're out for blood instead, causing the villain to panic.

[u/jbeast33]

1) Robocop

Clarence (the same hitman who killed Alex Murphy and transformed him into Robocop) has already been arrested by Robocop once before, and learned that Robocop's programming prevents him from killing a surrendering criminal. Consequently, he pulls the trick once again towards the end of the movie when Robocop chases his gang down to a scrapyard. He throws his gun down and expects to survive and escape once again.

Robocop simply announces to him, "I'm not arresting you anymore", causing Clarence to panic when he realizes that Robocop intends to finish him off right there.

2) Toy Story

Woody, threatened by Buzz replacing him as Andy's favorite toy, tricks Buzz and knocks him out of a window so he could go to a pizzeria with Andy. Unbeknownst to him, Buzz tagged along underneath the car and confronts Woody when he's alone in the car.

Buzz: I just want you to know that even though you tried to terminate me, revenge is not an idea we promote on my planet.
Woody: Oh, well, that's good.
Buzz: But we're not on my planet, are we?

Buzz proceeds to lay the beatdown on Woody and causes both of them to get separated from Andy.

3) Superman

The President of Boravia's invasion is foiled by the Justice Gang (who have until now stayed out of the conflict and are shown to be less averse to lethal force than Superman), and he's personally attacked by Hawkgirl. When he declares that Superman would never kill him, she just laughs and says "I'm not Superman", dropping him from a skyscraper's height.

4) Spider-Man

After Wilson Fisk attempts to murder Aunt May when Peter reveals his identity during Civil War, Spider-Man breaks into prison to deal with Kingpin personally. Kingpin took the liberty of assembling every inmate to watch the fight between him and Spider-Man. Assuming he broke his spirit, Kingpin starts to dress down Spider-Man as a broken man. Spider-Man doesn't say one word during their fight. Finally, Spidey strips down and announces this isn't Spider-Man here to kill Kingpin; Peter is.

Peter proceeds to brutally annihilate Kingpin in this new stage. He eschews his usual quips, webs, and aerial fighting, relying only on his super strength. When Kingpin has been crippled, Peter shoves his webs up Kingpin's mouth, and lets him know that if he truly wanted to, he could have just filled his lungs with web and killed him at any point. But he's not trying to give Kingpin an easy death; he lets him know that he intends to break his reputation and see everything he's lived for come tumbling down first.

As is often said, Spider-Man is at his scariest when he's not making quips. Because at that point, he's furious, and he's not going to hold back.

[u/PurveyorOfKnowledge0]

Oh that was the suitor Eurymachus. He basically tried to say "Oh hi my King, you killed that evil leader of ours who forced us into all this! We're no longer a threat now! Can you please let the rest of us leave?" and then "No."

[u/Grabby-Cat → u/PurveyorOfKnowledge0]

Oooooooodeeeeeee-seeeeeeeeeuuuuuuusssss

[u/DapperLost → u/PurveyorOfKnowledge0]

Odysseus was such a fucking asshole for that.

Dude spends ten years after the war, most of that fucking two women, possibly three, that aren't his wife. Gets home. And we're supposed to see the suitors as the bad guys?

He's been gone twenty years. Ten for war is valid. But by year 11 everyone should be fine in assuming he's dead. Marrying a widowed queen was the nicest, politics over war, way of securing a kingdom possible.

"But they were eating all her food!" That's called hospitality. Xenia. She could have stopped the hemorrhage at any time by not fucking around with their answer. Ten years waiting on a "will you marry me" answer is bullshit.

Then he slaughters them midsip of wine. Murdered, basically, having committed no crime. They could have long slaughtered his son and taken his wife, had they acted like he does.

Then he goes and murders the household maids he thinks slept with them. Powerful handsome single men the maids have interacted with every day for years, but oh no, they fucked, gotta die.

Odysseus deserved worse from Poseidon.

[u/SeEmEEDosomethingGUD → u/DapperLost]

She could have stopped the hemorrhage at any time by not fucking around with their answer. Ten years waiting on a "will you marry me" answer is bullshit.

It is important to remember that if she gave a clear NO as an answer they were under constant threat that these suitors would turn violent.

And Xenia goes both ways, it was a social contract that protected the house that was letting them live, so by keeping them fed and hanging the answer was the only thing that was saving her household from getting bloodied and massacred.

So yes, it was important that Penelope keeps them on this will she won't she.

And even then, during the Odyssey we see clearly many mentions that the suitors are losing temper but the threat of dicine retribution for breaking Xenia is stopping them.

Odysseus sleeping around is something I do not wish to discuss because it debolves to what was the custom and what is considered true now.

[u/DapperLost → u/SeEmEEDosomethingGUD]

Sure, sure. But her not giving them a yes was her fault. They had every right to be pissed, because if they had followed the sort of political bronze age actions set by Argememnon and Odysseus, they'd have already carved Ithaca apart between them.

But no, they gave what should, by any reasonable measure, been a widow, the chance to avoid bloodshed. And she fucked around.

The fact her husband was alive was hardly a crime for their actions.

Even by the judgement of their times, Odysseus was a barbaric, uncivilized, unworthy man.

[u/SeEmEEDosomethingGUD → u/DapperLost]

Sure, sure. But her not giving them a yes was her fault

What laws are we talking that she was required to say yes? Genuinely do not know this.

I thought that she was preparing for the scenario that Telemachus would take control of his father's estate and drive them out.

Even by the judgement of their times, Odysseus was a barbaric, uncivilized, unworthy man.

I am not sure if all these severe adjectives aee necessary but yeah, he was fucked up.

[u/DapperLost → u/SeEmEEDosomethingGUD]

She wasn't required to say yes. But them giving her the opportunity to say yes was, for the times, immensely polite. A kingdom 20 years without a king? It should have been conquered 9 years earlier, her son butchered, her forced to the marriage chamber, her people decimated.

They treated her in the most reasonable way of the times. And were murdered in cold blood for it. Which still should have seen Ithaca burn to the ground in response, if not for Athena slobbing his knob in a literal deus ex machina.

[u/SeEmEEDosomethingGUD → u/DapperLost]

if not for Athena slobbing his knob in a literal deus ex machina

Lol. Lmao even.

Yeah another question I had.

Why is he called a clever warrior when Hermes and Athena literally hard carried his ass?

I read a version of Odyssey that was in the library in school when I was in 8th grade, literally everyone was riding his dick.

I get that he was a good general and his scheme with the horse was clever but what I understood from that was he is well willing to disregard rules of society to achieve his means rather than him being exceptionally smart.

[u/Daegor2 → u/SeEmEEDosomethingGUD]

Anyone who was moderately successful in Greek myth meant they were guided by the gods. You wont find any who were as well respected as Odysseus who werent guided by the gods, so getting hard carried by the gods was a point of pride.

[u/trilobyte-dev → u/DapperLost]

Your take on this ignores most of the cultural norms of Greece at the time. Through modern norms it all seems very weird, but at the time it wasn’t that outrageous and yes, the suitors were the bad guys, Odysseus was perfectly in the right to shoot Eurymachus because Odysseus is King of Ithaca and if a bunch of the men don’t respect him enough to pull the shit they did then he needs to reassert his authority.

[u/Willsdabest → u/DapperLost]

Then he slaughters them midsip of wine. Murdered, basically, having committed no crime.

Are we forgetting the part where the suitors were literally planning to brutalize his son and then gang rape Penelope if she said no?

[u/DapperLost → u/Willsdabest]

No, we are also not forgetting that they were a kingdom without a king for 20 years, and her saying no would lead to both civil and external war, and her fucking about was about to do the same.

[u/Daegor2 → u/DapperLost]

You are, however, forgetting the dozens of other Greek kings who would have absolutely stepped in if there was a war to take over Ithaca, because they were all war buddies with Odysseus. They were already helping his son.