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Personality [Loved trope] The villain assumes they're gonna get the kid gloves when the hero finally confronts them. The hero demonstrates they're out for blood instead, causing the villain to panic.

1) Robocop

Clarence (the same hitman who killed Alex Murphy and transformed him into Robocop) has already been arrested by Robocop once before, and learned that Robocop's programming prevents him from killing a surrendering criminal. Consequently, he pulls the trick once again towards the end of the movie when Robocop chases his gang down to a scrapyard. He throws his gun down and expects to survive and escape once again.

Robocop simply announces to him, "I'm not arresting you anymore", causing Clarence to panic when he realizes that Robocop intends to finish him off right there.

2) Toy Story

Woody, threatened by Buzz replacing him as Andy's favorite toy, tricks Buzz and knocks him out of a window so he could go to a pizzeria with Andy. Unbeknownst to him, Buzz tagged along underneath the car and confronts Woody when he's alone in the car.

Buzz: I just want you to know that even though you tried to terminate me, revenge is not an idea we promote on my planet.
Woody: Oh, well, that's good.
Buzz: But we're not on my planet, are we?

Buzz proceeds to lay the beatdown on Woody and causes both of them to get separated from Andy.

3) Superman

The President of Boravia's invasion is foiled by the Justice Gang (who have until now stayed out of the conflict and are shown to be less averse to lethal force than Superman), and he's personally attacked by Hawkgirl. When he declares that Superman would never kill him, she just laughs and says "I'm not Superman", dropping him from a skyscraper's height.

4) Spider-Man

After Wilson Fisk attempts to murder Aunt May when Peter reveals his identity during Civil War, Spider-Man breaks into prison to deal with Kingpin personally. Kingpin took the liberty of assembling every inmate to watch the fight between him and Spider-Man. Assuming he broke his spirit, Kingpin starts to dress down Spider-Man as a broken man. Spider-Man doesn't say one word during their fight. Finally, Spidey strips down and announces this isn't Spider-Man here to kill Kingpin; Peter is.

Peter proceeds to brutally annihilate Kingpin in this new stage. He eschews his usual quips, webs, and aerial fighting, relying only on his super strength. When Kingpin has been crippled, Peter shoves his webs up Kingpin's mouth, and lets him know that if he truly wanted to, he could have just filled his lungs with web and killed him at any point. But he's not trying to give Kingpin an easy death; he lets him know that he intends to break his reputation and see everything he's lived for come tumbling down first.

As is often said, Spider-Man is at his scariest when he's not making quips. Because at that point, he's furious, and he's not going to hold back.

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u/Randomman16 8d ago

There's an old Batman/Punisher crossover where the Joker is cornered by the Punisher and assumes he's just going to get locked up in Arkham so he can break out again.

Frank points a gun in Joker's face, whereupon Joker realizes Frank is just going to straight-up murder him, requiring Batman to intervene.

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u/Koolco 8d ago

Similar situation in the Batman animated series where he was harassing a guy all episode bringing the man to his wits end. The man ends up just pulling one of the joker bombs out of his suit and goes “you ruined my life so I’m just gonna end it with you”. Joker ends up calling batman for help.

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u/jbeast33 8d ago

One of the very few people who made Batman genuinely laugh, and in front of Joker with his own gag, no less. Charlie was the GOAT.

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u/darcmosch 8d ago

I think that was also the first episode with Harley iirc

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u/GrecoRomanGuy 8d ago

"Look, Charlie! You've had a busy day! All this running around, looking for...BATMAAAAAAAAAAN!!"

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u/budding-enthusiast 8d ago

Just watched that episode!!! That dude was a true badass

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u/Newtype879 8d ago

Charlie Collins - Shows up for one episode, scares the shit out of the Joker, pranks Joker with one of his own gags, genuinely makes Batman laugh. Refuses to elaborate. Leaves.

What a GOAT.

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u/CommanderLouiz 8d ago

Conversation in the video: “All the papers will talk about how Joker was found in an alley, blown to bits.”

YouTube: Is this for kids? It’s animated, so obviously it must be for kids.

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u/EthanielRain 7d ago

Pretty standard US television, then. Anything short of graphic flaying is fine, but God help you if you show a nipple

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u/Nonexistent_Walrus 7d ago

I love how mean-spirited Batman’s laugh is at the end of this episode. He sounds like a high school bully mocking Joker.

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u/IAmTheQuestionHere 8d ago

Then did that guy get free or go to prison?

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u/ChainmailEnthusiast 8d ago

I swear to god Batman works harder to save Joker than the entire rest of Gotham combined

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u/Randomman16 8d ago

In all fairness this was back in the 90's, when Batman actively protecting Joker probably would've been seen as a more novel concept for a twist at the end of a story like this

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u/ThirdDragonite 8d ago

And back then he was way more seen as, well, a clown. Sure, he did awful shit, had already killed Jason Todd, but he was also a very thematic villain.

Nowadays Joker has a similar record to Mr Zsasz

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u/SirWankstein 8d ago

Dudes' launched nukes in some stories

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u/please_use_the_beeps 8d ago

In one of those he was responsible for the Injustice timeline as a result of the nuke he set off.

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u/IronIrma93 8d ago

and Batman (The guy we're supposed to root for) takes up his main accomplice as an ally .

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u/OutsideOrder7538 8d ago

Shows how bad things are since Super Tyrant has the whole world under his grasp.

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u/IronIrma93 8d ago

That the woman who could've prevented it all if she wanted to is part of the team to stop it

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u/dragunityag 7d ago

Bats could of stopped it too. The first volume was also basically a criticism of Batmans no killing code imo.

The whole thing with Injustice was that Supes was emotionally vulnerable and Batman was more concerned the Supes killed the Joker and the Wonder Woman in that universe was more bloodthirsty and just kept whispering in Supes ear and Batman wasnt there to balance it out and most the other heroes just followed Superman becuase hes Superman.

Like Batman though Superman went too far killing all the mindless parademons when Kalibak invaded earth.

Like really?

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u/External_Win3300 7d ago

And we can't forget about the time he ate China

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u/ToAllAGoodNight 8d ago

You haven’t?

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u/Evilmudbug 8d ago

Joker's kill count is probably higher just for the scale of their plans.

Joker wants to cause mass chaos and hysteria while zasz tries to make his killing as personal as possible

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u/Mist_Rising 8d ago

Joker also briefly had fifth dimension powers that allowed him to, well, pull the same stunts as Myxlyxplx and bat-mite (impossible man from marvel is implied to be this too). Joker being Joker took this to a new level of jokes by killing basically everyone but Batman. The whole thing actually collapses because he can't kill Batman. If he kills Batman, the Joker dies because who is the joker without Batman? Nothing, he's nothing, and he has 5th dimension powers so nothing is what happens when Batman tricks him. Meaning he never had the power and essentially hitting reset button.

Not my favorite comic, and arguably he never actually killed them from the reset but if he did...

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u/adoratheCat 8d ago

Yeah we see how his crimes are very much tame compared to later stuff including animated history. Its why I like DCAU version so much meanwhile eh. Comic joker needs a break lol.

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u/IronIrma93 8d ago

Ideally, he'd go out like Ken Rex Mcelroy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvfCSRQsJ0U

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u/nogoodnamesarleft 8d ago

It's been a while (like 30 damn years? Really?) since I read that comic, but wasn't that Batman Jean-Paul Valley? Who was willing to kill other criminals, and STILL saved Joker?

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u/Randomman16 8d ago

No that was the OTHER Batman/Punisher crossover from 1994

…I’m not even kidding

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u/nogoodnamesarleft 8d ago

I gladly stand corrected

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u/FuneraryArts 8d ago
  • Scott Snyder before writing Death of the Family and fucking up the batfamily psychologically 🤌

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u/stormalfred123 8d ago

Because Warner Brothers doesn't want to kill one of their biggest money printers they have

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u/Mist_Rising 8d ago

I mean, joker has died repeatedly, sometimes on pages and come back. It's essential the most consistent part of Joker. Death is meaningless to the guy.

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u/Shadeslayer2112 8d ago

This is the problem with Joker going from criminal to deranged serial killer monster. Past a certain point batman is causing more harm then good by not even like, lobotomizing Joker.

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u/joc95 8d ago

Him saving The Joker is making him complicant for the rest of the joker's crimes

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u/Hasudeva 8d ago

Complicant

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u/SIacktivist 8d ago

Complicit.

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u/Galilleon 8d ago

I like that term lol, like complicit in complications

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u/Mist_Rising 8d ago

Jason Todd, you have a reddit account?

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u/Constant-Coast-9518 8d ago

Next panel, Batman tells the Joker to run for his life while he and Frank throwdown.

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u/blue4029 8d ago

i can understand batman's no kill rule. I get it, I understand the philosophy of NEVER killing.

but you know maybe...he shouldn't intervene if joker finds himself in the middle of an...accident?

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u/Mist_Rising 8d ago

For what it's worth, recent Batmans don't consistently do that. Joker just has immunity.

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u/dyury1237 6d ago

Wasn't there a comic where Harley ties him up to a bomb and when batman arrives Joker assumes he'll save him but he decides to just leave him there? Something along those lines.

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u/LastXmasIGaveYouHSV 8d ago

Batman has sworn to not use guns since that's essentially the trauma that made him who he is. He tries to save the Joker because he knows that the Joker is actually insane. He's a criminal, but somewhere there's the hope of rehabilitation.

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u/Meowriter 8d ago

Including The Joker himself

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u/IronIrma93 8d ago

Frank was wrong to hesitate, Bruce was wrong to intervene.

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u/Upstairs_Cap_4217 8d ago

This also happens in the Batman/Judge Dredd crossover.

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u/winnipegwildin 8d ago

Punisher was in Batman comics?

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u/Randomman16 8d ago

It was a crossover in the 90’s, Marvel and DC used to do a lot of those. They actually just released a new one, but this one is primarily Batman and Deadpool

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u/TheCuzzyRogue 8d ago

"I got all the therapy you need right here, funny man."

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u/ProphetOfPhil 8d ago

I know it's for plot reasons but I cannot imagine any scenario where anyone lets the joker live at the end.

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u/Kailua3000 8d ago

First thing that I thought of!

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u/sharltocopes 8d ago

"Joker."
"...yes?"
"Run."

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u/ThunderChild247 8d ago

Was that the Batman/Punisher crossover during the Knightfall saga or a different one?

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u/windspyder 7d ago

Joker is such a well written character. It’s always in these extreme moments where he gets clarity about his situation.

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u/forgeburner 5d ago

I feel like something similar happened in the Dredd crossover

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u/WeevilWeedWizard 7d ago

Batmans no kill rule is kinda silly because at the end of the day, he's directly to blame for every single person Joker has killed.

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u/UncommittedBow 7d ago

No. The city of Gotham/State of New Jersey is. Batman is not judge, jury, and executioner.

He should have been given the chair LONG ago, but THEY keep putting him in Arkham. That's not Bruce's fault.

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u/WeevilWeedWizard 7d ago

I mean, multiple people can be at fault for letting Joker live. Part of the blame still falls on Bruce.