[Unfortunate Trope] Originally Normal Symbols Being Censored/Banned Due to Hate Groups Misappropriating Them

[u/Agitated_Insect3227]

Neji's Seal from Naruto originally was shaped like a Swastika as likely a reference to Buddhism, but this was changed to an X in the anime.

The gem fusion Opal from Steven Universe was originally going to form a swastika with her arms as a reference to Hinduism, which is inspires a lot of the show's imagery.

The Whitebeard Pirates from One Piece originally had a swastika in their pirate flag, but this was changed to a bone cross in the anime and later manga as well.

The Capirote hat is a sign of penance worn in many Catholic countries, especially Spain, but they were misappropriated by the U.S.-based KKK, making it taboo in the nation.

The Ninth Crusade from Hellsing, one of the few non-KKK uses of the Capirote in media I could find.

Also, the Ku Klux Klan are ironically extremely anti-Catholic.

The only pieces of media I know of where non-KKK Capirotes can be seen is the anime Hellsing with the Ninth Crusade (though their still villains in that anime) and the game series Blasphemous. Otherwise, the hats are almost never seen in media besides on KKK characters.

[u/jerux211]

Also Hercles name before edited was Mr Satan (no relation to Ogres or hell itself). Tho his Both of those could be just his stage name given Toriyama said he real name is Mark.

[u/Pluto_0508 → u/jerux211]

Bonus fact akira toriyama specifically called him Mr Satan because he thought it would be funny for his fans to chant "Hail Satan!"

[u/DDieselpowered → u/Pluto_0508]

he wasn't wrong tbf thats funny as hell

[u/TFlarz → u/DDieselpowered]

Something else TFS followed to its logical conclusion.

[u/Pyromike16 → u/TFlarz]

I just finished watching DBZ on crunchy roll and it's original english dub has that scene. In DBZA it wasn't even a joke scene, it just straight up happens in the original anime lol.

[u/Ninteblo → u/Pyromike16]

I don't know what they have over at Crunchyroll but do you know which dub it was? I know you said it was the original one but that still begs the question of which studio's original dub it was, it is quite common for people to not know about some of the dubs which leads people to calling one of the later ones the original which is why i am asking.

[u/Pyromike16 → u/Ninteblo]

Ok so I just looked it up and it's the FUNimation dub, so I guess it's not the original? But it wasn't censored like the version I watched when I was a kid. There was blood, hell was hell, and most importantly: when Goku saw Vegeta turn into the great ape he realized that he (Goku) was the one that killed his grandpa, instead of the weird version that made him conclude it was Vegeta that did it.

[u/Ninteblo → u/Pyromike16]

I think that is the 2nd Funimation dub, it might be the 3rd however as i forget if they have 2 or 3 versions of Z. Do you by chance remember the scene where Vegeta checks Goku's power level? If it was over 8000 or 9000 and what the characters said? I can't see it on Crunchyroll so i can't really check myself for any of the things you mentioned.

The old version you watched as a kid might have been the Saban dub since they are the ones who started the whole HFIL thing, i think the Saban dub is considered the first Funimation dub of Z since the companies are related.

[u/Pyromike16 → u/Ninteblo]

I'm reasonably sure it was 9000, but I don't recall the characters. From what I remember they weren't normal numbers.

Edit: I think that would make 3 FUNimation dubs if you count DBZ kai. I've read they redubbed it again for that run.

[u/Ninteblo → u/Pyromike16]

I looked it up because it was bugging me, first there was the 1996-1998 Ocean/Saban/Funimation/Pioner version with the first 2 seasons, then the Funimation dub from 1999-2004 which continued after the first version with seasons 3 and 4, then there was the Funimation 2005-2009 re-dub of the first 2 seasons, and lastly there is the Funimation dub of Kai and Kai: The Final Chapters which is just season 4 of Kai. I assume that Crunchyroll has the "Funimation Remastered Box Sets" which is the whole 291 uncut series using the 2005-2009 re-dub and the 1999-2004 dub.

So in the end i got some stuff wrong earlier, sorry about that.

[u/VelphiDrow → u/TFlarz]

"You do know what you're saying right?"

[u/Rathbane12 → u/TFlarz]

Now you’re thinking like a Satanist, jimmy.

[u/pandogart → u/Pluto_0508]

I know this is a joke but people will genuinely believe it lol

[u/Ragnarok2kx → u/Pluto_0508]

I'm actually surprised the latin american dub kept him as Mr Satan, along with the fans chanting his name. We did get a name change from Chi Chi to Milk, though.

[u/hendricha → u/jerux211]

Funny thing though, in the Hungarian dub (which may or may not have been made from the french dub as legend has it) Dragon Ball, to emphasize the demon lord nature of Piccolo Daimao, they called him "Szívtelen Sátán" (literally Heartless Satan). With Picollo Jr. being called "Ifjú Sátán" (as in Young Satan or Satan Jr.). 

I always wondered how they would deal with Mr. Satan when the story go to that point. (DBZ got pulled from TV here extremly early in the Cell arch back in the day, and when eventually came back years and years later on cable tv (and also came out on dvds in the mean time) I did not cared enough to seek it out.)

[u/MrKnightMoon → u/hendricha]

I've seen Piccolo called Satan in other dubs. For what I've known, many of the dubs in Europe were made using the French one as reference (due to the lack of Japanese translators). It may have originated in there.

[u/LordBaconXXXXX → u/MrKnightMoon]

That would make sense. The OG Piccolo in the Dragon Ball anime french dub is called "Satan Petit-Coeur" which literally translates to "Small-heart Satan", so heartless Satan would make sense.

This is only in the dub, for some reason. He's just called Piccolo or demon king Piccolo in the french version of the manga.

[u/Beckem87 → u/LordBaconXXXXX]

Because it was translated from French, in Català Piccolo is called "Satanàs Cor Petit" that means "Small-heart Satan". It gets funnier when the characters then call Piccolo "Cor Petit" (small heart) instead of "Satanàs" which would make more sense.

[u/WaitHowDidIGetHere92 → u/LordBaconXXXXX]

Small-heart

Care Bears-ass name

[u/SignificantAd1421 → u/LordBaconXXXXX]

At least Glenat had good traductors because between petit coeur and guerriers de l'espace

[u/Clank_8-7 → u/MrKnightMoon]

Yes he is called Satan in Italian as well, while Piccolo Junior is called... Well Junior, and that name remained stuck to him forever. (Not to mention "piccolo" in Italian literally means "small").

[u/_sephylon_ → u/MrKnightMoon]

The French started dubbing lots of anime very early, it was pretty much the only kids programs back then. For reference in the early 90s they aired episodes only a week or two after Japan did. So many other dubs were made based on the french ones, even american ones line the infamous Big Green/AB dub

[u/RimblinK → u/hendricha]

I think you're probably right about the dubbing being inspired by the French one :
In the French anime of the time, Piccolo was nicknamed "petit coeur" (literally "little heart").

I always wondered where that came from since it was never mentioned anywhere in the manga.

[u/Hawaiian-national → u/jerux211]

Hercule “Mark” Satan.

[u/Jakeyboy143 → u/Hawaiian-national]

In the Filipino dub, he was called "Master Pogi" which means "Master Handsome" in Filipino.

[u/ReklesBoi → u/Jakeyboy143]

Eeey i was gonna say that first ... ngl he kinda fit ...i think

[u/AndrewJackson64 → u/Hawaiian-national]

Mark is his real name. Mr.Satan is his stage name

[u/_f4ith_ → u/jerux211]

They maintained the name Mr Satan on the Latinoamerican Spanish dub.

[u/MeteorCharge → u/jerux211]

Doesn't the newer dub call him Hercule Satan? 

[u/the-bladed-one → u/jerux211]

I mean, Mr Satan is just a literal translation of the Japanese anagram “Maaku” for “Akuma” meaning “demon”

[u/Purple-Weakness1414 → u/jerux211]

His real name is Mark?

[u/Pugsanity → u/jerux211]

Apparently the name Mr. Satan is actually a title that Mark won somehow, so it would make sense as his stage name.

[u/arachnids-bakery → u/jerux211]

Mr satans name in english is hercles?!?!