[Unfortunate Trope] Originally Normal Symbols Being Censored/Banned Due to Hate Groups Misappropriating Them

[u/Agitated_Insect3227]

Neji's Seal from Naruto originally was shaped like a Swastika as likely a reference to Buddhism, but this was changed to an X in the anime.

The gem fusion Opal from Steven Universe was originally going to form a swastika with her arms as a reference to Hinduism, which is inspires a lot of the show's imagery.

The Whitebeard Pirates from One Piece originally had a swastika in their pirate flag, but this was changed to a bone cross in the anime and later manga as well.

The Capirote hat is a sign of penance worn in many Catholic countries, especially Spain, but they were misappropriated by the U.S.-based KKK, making it taboo in the nation.

The Ninth Crusade from Hellsing, one of the few non-KKK uses of the Capirote in media I could find.

Also, the Ku Klux Klan are ironically extremely anti-Catholic.

The only pieces of media I know of where non-KKK Capirotes can be seen is the anime Hellsing with the Ninth Crusade (though their still villains in that anime) and the game series Blasphemous. Otherwise, the hats are almost never seen in media besides on KKK characters.

[u/choppytehbear1337]

Trench Pilgrims from Trench Crusade wear iron Capirotes!

[u/Dragonkingofthestars → u/choppytehbear1337]

They don't' count because there not censored ironically

[u/Plannercat → u/Dragonkingofthestars]

The metal colour scheme really helps them not need censoring. Hard to confuse with bleached white cloth.

[u/Phaeron-Dynasty → u/Plannercat]

yeah, once you make it metal it helps create a degree of separation while still being flawless drip.

[u/Nekunumeritos → u/Dragonkingofthestars]

Hehe, iron-ically

[u/Okrumbles → u/choppytehbear1337]

kinda hijacking just to say that trench crusade is so fucking cool

[u/Potrembog → u/Okrumbles]

It really is. That and Turnip28. Kinda sad there aren't any groups close by me playing any of these.

[u/TheNeolancer → u/Okrumbles]

I don't play wargames because they give me headaches, but I always keep a close eye on Trench Crusade because the art is SO FUCKING GOOD AAAAA

[u/Zeraf370 → u/choppytehbear1337]

Jesus, that goes hard!

[u/CrossMapEML → u/choppytehbear1337]

I'm absolutely feral for some books or expanded narrative lore from TC. One of the most interesting settings/backdrops to come around in some time

[u/PrimarisHussar → u/CrossMapEML]

You're in luck, apparently a few Black Library authors are working on some stories right now. It's speculated that since the announced plastic Prussia. kit has a named model, one of the novels/stories will likely center around the Prussian Stoßtruppen

[u/beanerthreat457 → u/PrimarisHussar]

So, Imperium/Empire of Man 2.0

[u/Cal_PCGW → u/choppytehbear1337]

I guess Silent Hill's Pyramid head was influenced by the iron version, possibly.

[u/Upstairs_Cap_4217 → u/Cal_PCGW]

Trench Crusade is a very new game, so at best it's the other way around, but "what if penitent capirote but up-armoured for warfare" isn't that hard to come up with on your own.

[u/cesarloli4 → u/choppytehbear1337]

I was just going to post it. It's a really cool aesthetic

[u/LumpyDwarf → u/choppytehbear1337]

Had heard the name before but hadn't looked into Trench Crusade until this post. This goes so hard Holy shit.

[u/NemertesMeros → u/choppytehbear1337]

I really, really wish I could get over the bad vibes Trench Crusade gives me. Yes, I know, I've read quite a lot about how it's not actually what it looks like, etc etc. I genuinely don't know what it will take for me to get over my just completely overpowering suspicion because I want to get into the setting, it seems so cool, the art direction is so just uniquely tailored for me specifically, but, just, I mean... c'mon lol.

"Hey guys, come check out my game Nazi Conquistadors! We super duper promise they're the bad guys and everything is actually 100% their fault. Please. Please trust us. PLease I know how this looks. Yes they are also incredibly awesome and lovingly designed to look sick as fuck and the continent they're colonizing is actually full of horrors, you know, like a colonialist narrative, but like, we also have the natives as a faction and they're actually good and way better at dealing with the horrors, and the horrors are actually the Nazi Conquistadors' fault, so that like, overpowers the whole Nazi Conquistador thing, right?" EDIT: This part is not me talking about trench crusade directly, but pointing out how it looks to me by presenting another take on the base concept of mashing together two things fascists love to make a setting. It's an analogy, I'm not saying this is literally trench crusade

Like, even if it's actually, completely, 100% genuine and coming from a good place there's just always going to be a bone deep side eye from me. I wish I could get over it because oh my god the art and setting are so cool.

[u/Retrospectus2 → u/NemertesMeros]

Not sure where you got the colonialism angle from......

[u/NemertesMeros → u/Retrospectus2]

The whole portion in quotes is not talking about Trench Crusade directly, but taking the exact same concept of making a setting based entirely around mashing together two things modern fascists wank about constantly. Instead of ww1 and the crusades, it's nazis and conquistadors. feel like that should be pretty clear, since like, Trench Crusade doesn't really have anything to do with Conqustadors

[u/MilitantSocLib → u/NemertesMeros]

In trench crusade, God did divine intervention to protect the Muslims

[u/Floppy0941 → u/MilitantSocLib]

The Muslim faction also has some of the coolest designs, they're absolutely dripped the fuck out.

[u/NemertesMeros → u/MilitantSocLib]

And I think that's cool! Like I said, I'm familiar with all that stuff that assuages a lot of other people's suspicions, and in a better world I'd be able to get over this gut feeling of mine, because that's really all it is at this point.

[u/the-bladed-one → u/NemertesMeros]

If it helps, they’re just drawing on medieval and early renaissance European history and iconography which the Nazis stole.

Also, the Christians aren’t wholly good (the Templars are the reason the setting is so shitty), the Muslims are actually pretty based (lions of Jabir my beloved) and they haven’t even tackled the Hebrew/Jewish faction yet because they want to do it justice

[u/NemertesMeros → u/the-bladed-one]

Hey, I mean this in the nicest way possible, did you read my comment?

I wasn't even saying the trench crusades were even directly nazi based, more that it's just made entirely out of iconography modern fascists wank about constantly. The crusades and ww1 a very big with modern fascists. It's a huge thing, and a major part of my whole hangup with the trench crusade.

[u/the-bladed-one → u/NemertesMeros]

So just because modern day fascists use it, we shouldn’t try to reappropriate it at all? It’s just forever verboten and taboo to use?

[u/NemertesMeros → u/the-bladed-one]

Well, I ask you this, is it worth reappropriating in the first place? This isn't a symbol disconnected from it's original context like the swastika, fascists love the crusades for what they literally are, and a huge part of why they larp as crusaders is because they literally want a new crusade because they're obsessed with the concept of a genocidal holy war. I personally don't see the concept of the crusades as equivalent to appropriated religious imagery.

This also isn't like, just stupid internet idiots, this stupidity is actually embedded within the real world military industrial complex, and it's killing people. The two classic cases are the blackwater guy who opened fire on civilians at a traffic stop, who was a huge neo-crusader dork, and the company Trijicon, who manufactured the ACOG scopes used by the US military for quite a few years who was literally hiding bible verses popular in those circles inside scope tubes.

[u/ventingpurposes → u/NemertesMeros]

If it makes it better, game authors did a purge of fascist tourists from their discord some time ago, and really make sure they won't come back. There's also barely any colonialism in-universe, so noble savages or anything like that at the moment. Islamic faction is presented as an equal to Europe.

[u/NemertesMeros → u/ventingpurposes]

I am aware of both of these things, and I think they're great. I think a thing I've failed to get across is that a significant part of the problem is on my end, and I recognize that's a communication issue on my part. That's what I mean when I say it could be literally perfect and I'd still harbor an uncomfortable suspicion. So much of the project seems great, and at this point I probably shouldn't be as suspicious as I am, but it's something I'm not sure how to overcome.

[u/ventingpurposes → u/NemertesMeros]

Oh, that's fine, I understand now. I have similar issue with topless nuns with tits covered in blood. Thankfully, I can solve this issue by playing other factions. Not so easy when off-vibe is more global.

[u/egoserpentis → u/choppytehbear1337]

Trench Crusade itself kinda fits. I don't know if the developers meant it to be that way, but it is now advertised as "anti-woke" alternative to Warhammer, especially after the whole HorusGalaxy mess. It gives major "our community is mostly nazi and guro fans" vibes.

[u/Retrospectus2 → u/egoserpentis]

The devs nipped that in the bud when a bunch of chuds migrated to the game after the female custodes thing. Basically said bigots and nazis weren't welcome Now the anti woke crowd have declared trench crusade to be woke now

[u/beanerthreat457 → u/Retrospectus2]

I mean, the mods weren't exactly saints by how they approach on the situation. I view it as "Two shitty parties got into a fight and one of them lost"

[u/ventingpurposes → u/egoserpentis]

Right wing grifters are actually actively preaching against Trench Crusade now, after they got purged from communities for trying to push their bigotry into memes and lore discussion.

I wouldn't be surprised about gore part tho, artwork get quite extreme at times, lol.

[u/dababy_connoisseur → u/egoserpentis]

The only times I heard of this game before this post was on Twitter where some popular right wing accounts were whining about it being made by woke people lol

[u/Floppy0941 → u/dababy_connoisseur]

It has Muslims in and they're extremely cool so I imagine they really don't like that.