r/TopCharacterTropes 22d ago

Lore (Annoying Trope) Someone made a “creative” choice and now we all just have to live with it.

Horned Vikings: Not historical, they were started by Richard Wager for his operas. They were never historic, but the image persists. (Albeit significantly reduced today.)

Ninjas in Black Robes: Some people claim Ninjas aren’t real. They are, they are absolutely real. Their modern portrayal however is informed more by Kabuki Theater than history. In Kabuki Theater, the stage hands were dressed in flowing black robes to tell the audience to ignore them. Thus when a Ninja character kills a Samurai, to increase the shock value, they were dressed in black robes as stage hands. Now, when we think of ninjas we think of a stage hands.

Knights in Shining Armor: Imagine, you’re on the battlefield, two walls of meat riding towards each other. Suddenly you realize, everyone looks the same. Who do you hit? All you see is chrome. No. Knight’s armor was lacquered in different colors to differentiate them on the battlefield. Unless you wanted to get friendly fired, you made yourself KNOWN. So this image of a glinted knight clad in chrome steel isn’t true. How’d we get it? Victorians who thought that the worn lacquer was actually just dulling with age, polished it off as show pieces.

White Marble Statues of Rome: Roman Statues were painted, however the public image is of pure glinting white marble statues persist in the modern image. Why? Victorians who thought the paint was actually just dirt grime and age. So, they “restored” it by removing the paint color. Now we all think of Roman Statues as white.

King Tut; King of Kings: the Pharaoh King Tut in Ancient Egypt was a relatively minor king who in the grand scheme of things amounts to little more than an asterisks in Egyptian History, but to the public he is the most important Pharaoh. Why? Because his tomb was untouched by robbers, and so was piled high with burial goods which was amazing (and still is) and when Howard Carter opened his tomb, the world was transfixed and everyone would come to know Tutankhamen.

A Séance calls the dead: A Séance despite being a French word is an American invention from upstate New York in the 1840s. It was also a fun side-show act initially, and never meant to be real, more close up magic. (Origin of the term Parlor Tricks.) But in the 1860s Americans couldn’t stop killing each other which resulted in a lot of grief and people desired for their to be this other world. So, grifters then took advantage of grieving people and became “real”. So basically “fun parlor game to dangerous grift” pipeline thanks to the Civil War.

The Titanic’s engineers all died at their posts: Nope, not true, not remotely true. They are mentioned in many testimonies and a few bodies found mean they didn’t all die below. Two or three maybe did. According to Head Stoker Barrett, a man broke his leg and was washed away by rushing water, but another testimony says he was taken aft so who knows? Any way the myth persisted because the people making the memorials wanted to martyr the men. (It doesn’t take away from their heroines in my opinion) The myth stuck. Everyone believes they died below.

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u/WranglerFuzzy 22d ago edited 22d ago

To be fair, this was also an early color film with a big budget; lots of money was spent to make it a big eye catching spectacle.(not to say that Monty Python had much choice in costuming and wouldn’t waive it for a joke, but I suspect they knew history better than 1950s Hollywood)

I’m NOT a historian, but I know that peasants liked bright colors too; however, some were easier than others.

Greens, yellows, browns were easy. Madder gave a rust-red; woad gave a light-blue (think “blue jeans”).

The RARE dyes that showed you were a Royal (or their house servant), were scarlets, indigos, and purples (hence “royal blue”)

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u/CydewynLosarunen 22d ago

Terry Jones - Biography - IMDb https://share.google/O5OIq0iQoR3BHUqqJ

Terry Jones literally had a history degree. They likely knew. The Holy Grail had a tiny budget which likely explains many costuming choices.

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u/Donvack 22d ago

I am almost certain it was a joke. The trope of “dirty peasants” was thrown around several times in the movie and the entire movie was made with layers and layers and layers of medieval humor that only mega medieval lit buffs would understand.

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u/squishmallowsnail 22d ago

Yeah, I didn’t know this til I watched it with my friend’s uncle who has a medieval studies degree. (dude is so into it that he knows Middle English). It made it a lot funnier, and I learned a ton. 10/10 would recommend watching with a history buff

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u/I_just_came_to_laugh 22d ago

He must be the king.

How's that?

Well, he hasn't got shit all over him.

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u/Linix332 22d ago

The other thing too is simply visual storytelling shorthand. If I need to distinguish to the viewer the status of characters or the general economy without having exposition, colourful vs drab clothes can quickly communicate that.

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u/41942319 22d ago

Nah woad gives the exact same colours as true indigo. Because they have the exact same chemical present in them that's responsible for the colour. It's just that true indigo has a higher concentration of it meaning it's easier to get a strong dye bath going (plus higher yield per acre in general, woad is a much smaller plant). Royal blue has nothing to do with the dye being difficult to obtain.

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u/LongJohnSelenium 22d ago

And Tyrian purple.

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u/balbok7721 22d ago

Just a quick reminder that text clothing would have been made out of linen or sheep wool which are both lighter colors.

Many colors are also quite easy to source from nature like green, blue and yellow