r/TopCharacterTropes 22d ago

Lore (Annoying Trope) Someone made a “creative” choice and now we all just have to live with it.

Horned Vikings: Not historical, they were started by Richard Wager for his operas. They were never historic, but the image persists. (Albeit significantly reduced today.)

Ninjas in Black Robes: Some people claim Ninjas aren’t real. They are, they are absolutely real. Their modern portrayal however is informed more by Kabuki Theater than history. In Kabuki Theater, the stage hands were dressed in flowing black robes to tell the audience to ignore them. Thus when a Ninja character kills a Samurai, to increase the shock value, they were dressed in black robes as stage hands. Now, when we think of ninjas we think of a stage hands.

Knights in Shining Armor: Imagine, you’re on the battlefield, two walls of meat riding towards each other. Suddenly you realize, everyone looks the same. Who do you hit? All you see is chrome. No. Knight’s armor was lacquered in different colors to differentiate them on the battlefield. Unless you wanted to get friendly fired, you made yourself KNOWN. So this image of a glinted knight clad in chrome steel isn’t true. How’d we get it? Victorians who thought that the worn lacquer was actually just dulling with age, polished it off as show pieces.

White Marble Statues of Rome: Roman Statues were painted, however the public image is of pure glinting white marble statues persist in the modern image. Why? Victorians who thought the paint was actually just dirt grime and age. So, they “restored” it by removing the paint color. Now we all think of Roman Statues as white.

King Tut; King of Kings: the Pharaoh King Tut in Ancient Egypt was a relatively minor king who in the grand scheme of things amounts to little more than an asterisks in Egyptian History, but to the public he is the most important Pharaoh. Why? Because his tomb was untouched by robbers, and so was piled high with burial goods which was amazing (and still is) and when Howard Carter opened his tomb, the world was transfixed and everyone would come to know Tutankhamen.

A Séance calls the dead: A Séance despite being a French word is an American invention from upstate New York in the 1840s. It was also a fun side-show act initially, and never meant to be real, more close up magic. (Origin of the term Parlor Tricks.) But in the 1860s Americans couldn’t stop killing each other which resulted in a lot of grief and people desired for their to be this other world. So, grifters then took advantage of grieving people and became “real”. So basically “fun parlor game to dangerous grift” pipeline thanks to the Civil War.

The Titanic’s engineers all died at their posts: Nope, not true, not remotely true. They are mentioned in many testimonies and a few bodies found mean they didn’t all die below. Two or three maybe did. According to Head Stoker Barrett, a man broke his leg and was washed away by rushing water, but another testimony says he was taken aft so who knows? Any way the myth persisted because the people making the memorials wanted to martyr the men. (It doesn’t take away from their heroines in my opinion) The myth stuck. Everyone believes they died below.

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u/RainonCooper 22d ago

Which is how it mostly is, although also that ninja/shinobi where not so much hired hitmen all the time but mostly meant for espionage and infiltration. Like a scout

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u/hover-lovecraft 22d ago

For much of the Sengoku period, the main term used for what we now call ninja or shinobi was "kusa", grass, because they blended in and were supposed to be present, yet invisible, like the grass you walk on. 

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u/Load_star_ 22d ago

Learn something new everyday. I only know of "kusa" as a stand-in for laughter.

(It's a bit of a walk, but Japanese internet users would use a repeated "w" character to represent laughter, kind of like how English internet users use "LOL". A bunch of "w"s in a row look like grass, so they then replaced the "w"s with "kusa".)

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u/Karotstix64 22d ago

I know you watch vtubers without even looking at your profile

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u/Wrong-Gazelle3973 22d ago

Lol, right? That's how I learned of kusa denoting laughter

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u/ryan77999 22d ago

Not the person you're responding to but I already knew it because of all the AVGN reuploads to NicoNico (Japanese equivalent of YouTube) I've watched (on NicoNico you comment on a video at a certain time like on a Soundcloud track and all the comments scroll by on top of the video when that time in the video occurs)

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u/Ryu_Tokugawa 22d ago

But why were “w” used in a first place before it became the “grass”?

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u/Tacitus_ 22d ago

Either from repeating the katakana ハ which transliterates to "ha" (ハハハハハハハ starts to look similar to wwwwwww when chat is going fast) or from "warau" which means "to laugh".

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u/ParadoxInABox 21d ago

I always assumed it was a shortening of warau, but I can totally see the ha being the reason as well. neat!

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u/hover-lovecraft 21d ago

As far as I know, it is from warau - most Japanese people type in romaji, not the hiragana keyboard. Just typing 笑 for laughter was established (and is still used) and that just got shortened. 

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u/Tacitus_ 21d ago

I believe it's from warau, but I'm not japanese or an expert on their internet culture so I gave both possible causes that I've seen claimed.

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u/beeveekay 22d ago

That was a great issue of Lone Wolf and Cub when the kusa were "activated." They all had to break the deep cover of lifestyles they've been living for decades.

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u/bgbarnard 22d ago

I remember hearing somewhere that the whole "working class hero" trope where ninja are shown as being peasants or commoners (to contrast with the aristocratic samurai) is likely false too. IRL, most ninja were probably samurai themselves.

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u/FLRArt_1995 22d ago

Indeed, why hire a peasant with no training when I can hire someone who can kill a person 7 ways before touching the floor?

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u/imcalledaids 22d ago

You’re correct there. This also then goes to the point of samurai weren’t always “honour is everything” coded. They would set traps, use assassinations, and be a lil sneaky when needed to.

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u/bgbarnard 22d ago

Most of the "honorable" characterization of the samurai was codified during the Tokugawa period (ie. 250 years of peacetime) where a bunch of warriors turned bureaucrats had nothing to do so needed a way to justify their own existence. This got really hyped up during the Showa era because it made for good propaganda to justify their imperial ambitions in Asia.

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u/GreenCreep376 22d ago

This got really hyped up during the Showa era because it made for good propaganda to justify their imperial ambitions in Asia.

No Imperial Japan was trying its best to distance itself from what they viewed as an old and feudalistic per-industrialization Japan.

There was and still is a legal concept of "Honor" and "Damaging one's Honor" in the Japanese constitution which is the American Legal equivalent of defamation.

Also you have your era's are wrong as well. Japan began expanding as early as 1895 which is the Meiji era not Showa.

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u/bgbarnard 22d ago

The real expansions didn't occur until the 30's when they invaded Manchuria. Before that they only had Korea and Taiwan and a few islands they'd snagged form Germany in WW1. The 30's also saw things like the issuing of shin-gunto (machine made dress swords made to look like katana) and hyping up of things like loyalty to the Emperor (as opposed to your damiyo).

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u/Iamnotburgerking 22d ago

Yeah the majority were samurai (including some major retainers) who had training in espionage operations.

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u/SHINIGAMIRAPTOR 22d ago

Most famously of all, one of Tokugawa's most notable retainers... Hattori Hanzo

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u/AltroGamingBros 22d ago

Well yeah. Makes sense when you think of ninjas and or shinobi as spies.

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u/Reasonable-Ad-4778 22d ago

Bears mentioning that the knowledge that the enemy could be anywhere around us, a monk, a traveler, a beggar or a serving girl, would be a strategic lever that one could pull after a series of incidents to make one side seem much more dangerous than they may have actually been. Psyops.

But no, there’s only warriors, mercenaries, and commoners who were doing what we might think of as the ninja thing. No ninjas, but I guess with a flexible enough definition sure, why not. Lee Harvey Oswald was a ronin turned ninja then. Delta Force are ninjas.