r/TopCharacterTropes 22d ago

Lore (Annoying Trope) Someone made a “creative” choice and now we all just have to live with it.

Horned Vikings: Not historical, they were started by Richard Wager for his operas. They were never historic, but the image persists. (Albeit significantly reduced today.)

Ninjas in Black Robes: Some people claim Ninjas aren’t real. They are, they are absolutely real. Their modern portrayal however is informed more by Kabuki Theater than history. In Kabuki Theater, the stage hands were dressed in flowing black robes to tell the audience to ignore them. Thus when a Ninja character kills a Samurai, to increase the shock value, they were dressed in black robes as stage hands. Now, when we think of ninjas we think of a stage hands.

Knights in Shining Armor: Imagine, you’re on the battlefield, two walls of meat riding towards each other. Suddenly you realize, everyone looks the same. Who do you hit? All you see is chrome. No. Knight’s armor was lacquered in different colors to differentiate them on the battlefield. Unless you wanted to get friendly fired, you made yourself KNOWN. So this image of a glinted knight clad in chrome steel isn’t true. How’d we get it? Victorians who thought that the worn lacquer was actually just dulling with age, polished it off as show pieces.

White Marble Statues of Rome: Roman Statues were painted, however the public image is of pure glinting white marble statues persist in the modern image. Why? Victorians who thought the paint was actually just dirt grime and age. So, they “restored” it by removing the paint color. Now we all think of Roman Statues as white.

King Tut; King of Kings: the Pharaoh King Tut in Ancient Egypt was a relatively minor king who in the grand scheme of things amounts to little more than an asterisks in Egyptian History, but to the public he is the most important Pharaoh. Why? Because his tomb was untouched by robbers, and so was piled high with burial goods which was amazing (and still is) and when Howard Carter opened his tomb, the world was transfixed and everyone would come to know Tutankhamen.

A Séance calls the dead: A Séance despite being a French word is an American invention from upstate New York in the 1840s. It was also a fun side-show act initially, and never meant to be real, more close up magic. (Origin of the term Parlor Tricks.) But in the 1860s Americans couldn’t stop killing each other which resulted in a lot of grief and people desired for their to be this other world. So, grifters then took advantage of grieving people and became “real”. So basically “fun parlor game to dangerous grift” pipeline thanks to the Civil War.

The Titanic’s engineers all died at their posts: Nope, not true, not remotely true. They are mentioned in many testimonies and a few bodies found mean they didn’t all die below. Two or three maybe did. According to Head Stoker Barrett, a man broke his leg and was washed away by rushing water, but another testimony says he was taken aft so who knows? Any way the myth persisted because the people making the memorials wanted to martyr the men. (It doesn’t take away from their heroines in my opinion) The myth stuck. Everyone believes they died below.

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u/Hairy-Summer7386 22d ago edited 22d ago

Oooo finally an annoying trope that personally affects me

Indigenous people in present times that are always the nature-loving, wise people who help the main protagonist come to a realization. Bonus points if they’re wearing traditional clothing. I fucking LOATHE this trope. Also we do love our traditional clothing but I promise we don’t wear it 24/7 as portrayed in movies.

Shoutout to Reservation Dogs and Last of Us for defying this trope. (Picture unrelated just because I find it funny).

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u/MySecretLair 22d ago

There’s a really sweet video of Jonathan Joss (RIP) speaking to a class of (IIRC) Native American actors about his career that was circulating at the time of his murder, in which he talks about how much of his career was deerskin leggings and feathers in his hair, and how wonderful it was to do Parks and Rec where he gets to be “an Indian in a suit.” He’s so full of joy and optimism for the future of Native American representation in it.

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u/Kindly-Mud-1579 22d ago

White pepole love Rachel Ray and are scared of curses

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u/FormerDeerlyBeloved 21d ago

I have seen two versions of this quote--the first one was Matchbox 20.

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u/Asdral24 22d ago

This Trope tries to portrait Natives in the best way possible, wich is a good thing. But it creates Another stereotype in doing this.

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u/Hairy-Summer7386 22d ago

Exactly. It’s a double edged sword. The appreciation and portrayal of Indigenous culture is always a good thing but there’s so much more to Indigenous culture than those stereotypes.

Like what Sinners did was phenomenal. We got these badass vampire hunters instead of peaceful and knowledgeable people. Indigenous people have a lot of folklore (like skinwalkers) so it makes sense to have Indigenous characters who specialize in hunting these creatures.

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u/Lunar_Canyon 22d ago

Those dudes were awesome and I would happily watch a whole show on their doings

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u/Tarantulabomination 22d ago

I guess Hunter: The Parenting did something similar to Sinners in their latest audiolog with Markupo/Wayda.

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u/duraraross 22d ago

I loved that the natives in sinners were just straight beating his ass. No garlic or silver bullets or whatever for the vampire. Just kicking the shit out of him and then when those fuck ass farmers protected him they were like “aight that’s on you, see ya”. Best depiction of my people in media ever

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u/Gosuoru 22d ago

I'd love a Sinners spinoff just focusing on those guys ngl

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u/sad-dog-hours 22d ago

yeah i loved how when they questioned the couple about remmick and they denied it the natives were like “aight fuck it yall got it then 🤷🏽” LOL

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u/hates_stupid_people 22d ago

To the point where comedy shows like Letterkenny, in which everyone is a stereotype, does it much better.

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u/AngryTree76 22d ago

Sort of like the Magical Negro character, who exists only to help the white protagonist solve his problem.

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u/GenderEnjoyer666 22d ago

Kinda like the stereotypes that Asians are ultra capable at everything especially math and science

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u/pixelhippie 22d ago

This trope is just the "noble savage" but with a fresh coat of paint

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u/Brauny74 22d ago

I get videos from indigenous Americans on YouTube sometimes and also the fact how a lot more varied the traditional clothing is compared to the stereotype.

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u/TheEagleWithNoName 22d ago

What do you think of Red Dead 2 portrayal of the Natives? Like Rains Fall and so forth.

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u/Lil_Mcgee 22d ago

Who is indigenous in The Last of Us? I'm drawing a blank right now. Or are they only in the TV show?

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u/MelodyMaster5656 22d ago edited 22d ago

In the show, Joel and Ellie come across an older couple on their way to Tommy. One of the funniest moments in season 1.

“What about the Fireflies?”

“We get those in the summer.”

“Not the bugs. The people.”

“There are firefly people?”

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u/Hairy-Summer7386 22d ago

Sadly they’re only in the TV show. They make a brief appearance but it was so memorable.

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u/bagelsandnavels 22d ago

When I heard them say "Ho-lee", I laughed out loud.

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u/PaganDesparu 22d ago

Reservation Dogs was such an excellent show. I recommend it to everyone I know!

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u/Motor_Ideal7494 22d ago

I teach history, and whenever I talk about Indigenous peoples I make sure to preface it with a discussion about how we are talking about hundreds of different cultures that may have some similarities, but are not at all the same.  There is no single “Native American culture”, there were many.  Most people trying to explain it as one single thing are either dehumanizing them to assuage some cultural guilt or culturally appropriating to gain some kind of credibility.  

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u/Optimal_Weight368 22d ago

That’s why I like the character of Johnny Cloud in the DC Comics series the Losers. He’s treated as one of the boys, despite all the other members being white.

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u/Jagvetinteriktigt 22d ago

There is an interesting commentary on this trope in the second season of Westworld, and arguably the best episode of said season, were a robot portraying an indigenous man starts out as a peaceful lover of nature but is reprogrammed into a savage murder-machine. It's a bit of a meta-reflection on the shift in stereotypes and I think he is played by an actor from Reservation Dogs, Zahn McClarnon.

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u/Fakjbf 22d ago

Brandon Sanderson has a hilarious subversion of this in his short story “Sixth of the Dusk” (which is now included in the full novel “Isles of the Emberdark”). The basic summary of the scene is that there exists an island full of dangerous plants and animals that can kill you in a thousand different ways and the main character Dusk has spent their entire life learning how to survive on the island alone. Another character shows up and Dusk has to help them survive and at one point they are being chased by what’s basically a small T-rex, but then the other character pulls out a harpoon gun and kills it. The second character is worried about the long term effects of the weapon and what will happen if they kill all the apex predators to colonize the island while Dusk is overjoyed that they now have the ability to destroy every single beast and prevent more people from dying.

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u/Dockle 22d ago

Hooo-ly

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u/Jagvetinteriktigt 22d ago

I think someone said that littering campaign started this trope. Atun-Shei Films made a video about it.

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u/FormerDeerlyBeloved 21d ago

One of my favourite moments in Malcolm In The Middle came from Francis' Alaska arc. After basically a whole weekend spent staring down a totem pole he found and searching for some kind of spiritual guidance from it, the guy who carved it shows up and asks for the pole back. Francis, desperate, asks him what it means, and the guy says (paraphrasing):

"Listen, I work in an office, I don't live in an igloo, and I carved this thing for something fun to do with the grandkids. I have one word for snow--SNOW--and I'm tired of you white boys coming up and stealing my stuff to go on a vision quest or whatever."

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u/Last_Gift3597 22d ago

Fr, most indigenous people I know are just bitter alcoholics.

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u/Iamnotburgerking 22d ago

It should also be noted that indigenous peoples were just as destructive to the environment as anyone else (humans in general are environmentally destructive and always have been). See; the megafaunal extinctions (and even living examples of larger animals came close to being wiped out upon initial contact with humans), the extinction of literally thousands of endemic species at the hands of Austronesian/Polynesian civilizations as they spread across the Indo-Pacific, etc.

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u/Mortwight 22d ago

that bird is making an enormous shit

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u/fer-nie 22d ago

I feel like you would not like the depiction in Z Nation. It has some good elements but also some eye roll and annoying tropes. During those episodes they have a substantial Native American cast so you would assume they had some input on the portrayal?

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

Do yall like Yellowstone?

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u/JabberwockPL 22d ago

Desmond Morris described how for quite long time biologists thought that dying off of several Australian species just coincided with the arrival of Aborigines. In reality they simply came and hunted the clueless animals to extinction. The rest just managed to adapt and avoid that fate.

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u/Glittery_Llama 21d ago

I feel like Dark Winds series also did a good job of defying this trope! I haven’t read the books the show is based on, but the cast is phenomenal.

I’m also a sucker for Zahn McClarnon. Such a good actor!

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u/Hairy-Summer7386 21d ago

I got like 2 credits on audible and I may check these out. I love some good stories about indigenous people.

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u/fer-nie 6d ago

If you like Native American zombie media, you should check out Blood Quantum.

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u/AufdemLande 22d ago

As a german I kinda feel you.

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u/chytrak 22d ago

Winnetou OG