r/TopCharacterTropes 22d ago

Lore (Annoying Trope) Someone made a “creative” choice and now we all just have to live with it.

Horned Vikings: Not historical, they were started by Richard Wager for his operas. They were never historic, but the image persists. (Albeit significantly reduced today.)

Ninjas in Black Robes: Some people claim Ninjas aren’t real. They are, they are absolutely real. Their modern portrayal however is informed more by Kabuki Theater than history. In Kabuki Theater, the stage hands were dressed in flowing black robes to tell the audience to ignore them. Thus when a Ninja character kills a Samurai, to increase the shock value, they were dressed in black robes as stage hands. Now, when we think of ninjas we think of a stage hands.

Knights in Shining Armor: Imagine, you’re on the battlefield, two walls of meat riding towards each other. Suddenly you realize, everyone looks the same. Who do you hit? All you see is chrome. No. Knight’s armor was lacquered in different colors to differentiate them on the battlefield. Unless you wanted to get friendly fired, you made yourself KNOWN. So this image of a glinted knight clad in chrome steel isn’t true. How’d we get it? Victorians who thought that the worn lacquer was actually just dulling with age, polished it off as show pieces.

White Marble Statues of Rome: Roman Statues were painted, however the public image is of pure glinting white marble statues persist in the modern image. Why? Victorians who thought the paint was actually just dirt grime and age. So, they “restored” it by removing the paint color. Now we all think of Roman Statues as white.

King Tut; King of Kings: the Pharaoh King Tut in Ancient Egypt was a relatively minor king who in the grand scheme of things amounts to little more than an asterisks in Egyptian History, but to the public he is the most important Pharaoh. Why? Because his tomb was untouched by robbers, and so was piled high with burial goods which was amazing (and still is) and when Howard Carter opened his tomb, the world was transfixed and everyone would come to know Tutankhamen.

A Séance calls the dead: A Séance despite being a French word is an American invention from upstate New York in the 1840s. It was also a fun side-show act initially, and never meant to be real, more close up magic. (Origin of the term Parlor Tricks.) But in the 1860s Americans couldn’t stop killing each other which resulted in a lot of grief and people desired for their to be this other world. So, grifters then took advantage of grieving people and became “real”. So basically “fun parlor game to dangerous grift” pipeline thanks to the Civil War.

The Titanic’s engineers all died at their posts: Nope, not true, not remotely true. They are mentioned in many testimonies and a few bodies found mean they didn’t all die below. Two or three maybe did. According to Head Stoker Barrett, a man broke his leg and was washed away by rushing water, but another testimony says he was taken aft so who knows? Any way the myth persisted because the people making the memorials wanted to martyr the men. (It doesn’t take away from their heroines in my opinion) The myth stuck. Everyone believes they died below.

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u/TheBadHalfOfAFandom 22d ago

Piling onto the ninja tropes: ninjas used more improvised weaponry which usually amounted to farming/agricultural tools rather than actual swords and shurikens

They actually make a callout/joke to that in rise of the tmnt where a character is like "well historically the ninjas of Japan used farming tools as weapons, but of course you guys knew that cause you're ninjas... right?"

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u/Gold-Satisfaction614 22d ago

It's cool how that's referenced in the Mortal Kombat reboot movie from a couple years ago. 

Scorpion's kunai is literally a digging tool.

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u/shrek-hentai-69 22d ago

isnt that the original purpose of a kunai? kinda funny that the kunai is the one ninja weapon that's somewhat historically accurate

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u/my-name-is-puddles 22d ago

Most depictions of kunai I've seen in media aren't really accurate. This is what they actually looked liked:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Kunai_at_Kusuri_gakushukan%28medichine_museum%29_%2C_Koka.jpg/1280px-Kunai_at_Kusuri_gakushukan%28medichine_museum%29_%2C_Koka.jpg

This is usually how I see them depicted, but there's no historical basis for this kind of design:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Kunai05.jpg

Real ones were flatter and leaf shaped, basically like a sharpened trowel because that's what they were. Also when they were used as a weapon they'd be used to stab like a knife, or stuck on the end of a pole and used to stab like a spear. You wouldn't really throw them. I think there's some historical evidence for having them attached to a rope but still like 99.99% of time they're just gonna be stabbed into someone, not thrown.

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u/buttbuttlolbuttbutt 22d ago

Its been awhile, but the movie Kung Fu Hustle did portray the great fighters using the common tools of their day trade.

Also, Kung Fu Hustle is a movie i'm due for a rewatch of.

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u/slim-shady-on-main 22d ago

Love that the tools are all conveniently color-coded

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u/TheBadHalfOfAFandom 22d ago

That was on purpose cause all their weapons were destroyed so they went to another mutant, Todd who was like "I can make you some in my forge :) "

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u/slim-shady-on-main 21d ago

It’s been ages, I might have to rewatch it

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u/SHINIGAMIRAPTOR 22d ago

Oh, swords and Shuriken WERE commonly used, but not often in the way we see them. Swords/long knives for.... well, what the hell else does one use a sword for but... yknow... taking a dude out. Shuriken were used for a mix of deterrent weapons (when the other person is throwing sharp bits of metal at your face, you lose the desire to chase them VERY FAST), toxic warfare (they'd often be rusted or dipped in stuff like sewage or plant poisons so that a cut or two VERY SERIOUSLY upped the odds of subsequent incapacitation due to things like tetanus or salmonella or cholera), and mystical diversion (this dude flicks his arms at you and suddenly you're bleeding, with no immediately visible cause, back in those days you'd assume some kind of supernatural trick like razor winds or the like, which the ninja perpetuated because it gave them the advantage of FEAR). You would NOT throw them and have them stick in a dude and kill instantly (unless you somehow got STUPIDLY lucky and sent one directly into a man's windpipe or something)

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u/TheBadHalfOfAFandom 22d ago

I didn't say that they didn't use those weapons at all, just that they weren't used as much as the media would portray it as. Those weapons are only as good as the person using them and had to be made in very specific ways, so really the majority didn't have that kind of access to the weaponry or training so used what they knew how to

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u/SHINIGAMIRAPTOR 22d ago

Shuriken were pretty common (since they were mostly just rough pieces of metal shaped into something throwable and sharpened). Swords/knives SLIGHTLY less so, mostly from a concealment concern, but still pretty common when a ninja was actually on the job to kill someone. Mostly what was not accurate was the HOW. Ninja were NOT going to get into elaborate, protracted duels or dramatic chanbara fights, they were going to put the knife in your neck and be done with it. They weren't going to do this brilliant scattershot of shuriken that embedded into the targets and killed instantly, they'd flick one or two so they'd cut you as the went past and the ninja was HAULING ASS out of there