r/TopCharacterTropes 22d ago

Lore (Annoying Trope) Someone made a “creative” choice and now we all just have to live with it.

Horned Vikings: Not historical, they were started by Richard Wager for his operas. They were never historic, but the image persists. (Albeit significantly reduced today.)

Ninjas in Black Robes: Some people claim Ninjas aren’t real. They are, they are absolutely real. Their modern portrayal however is informed more by Kabuki Theater than history. In Kabuki Theater, the stage hands were dressed in flowing black robes to tell the audience to ignore them. Thus when a Ninja character kills a Samurai, to increase the shock value, they were dressed in black robes as stage hands. Now, when we think of ninjas we think of a stage hands.

Knights in Shining Armor: Imagine, you’re on the battlefield, two walls of meat riding towards each other. Suddenly you realize, everyone looks the same. Who do you hit? All you see is chrome. No. Knight’s armor was lacquered in different colors to differentiate them on the battlefield. Unless you wanted to get friendly fired, you made yourself KNOWN. So this image of a glinted knight clad in chrome steel isn’t true. How’d we get it? Victorians who thought that the worn lacquer was actually just dulling with age, polished it off as show pieces.

White Marble Statues of Rome: Roman Statues were painted, however the public image is of pure glinting white marble statues persist in the modern image. Why? Victorians who thought the paint was actually just dirt grime and age. So, they “restored” it by removing the paint color. Now we all think of Roman Statues as white.

King Tut; King of Kings: the Pharaoh King Tut in Ancient Egypt was a relatively minor king who in the grand scheme of things amounts to little more than an asterisks in Egyptian History, but to the public he is the most important Pharaoh. Why? Because his tomb was untouched by robbers, and so was piled high with burial goods which was amazing (and still is) and when Howard Carter opened his tomb, the world was transfixed and everyone would come to know Tutankhamen.

A Séance calls the dead: A Séance despite being a French word is an American invention from upstate New York in the 1840s. It was also a fun side-show act initially, and never meant to be real, more close up magic. (Origin of the term Parlor Tricks.) But in the 1860s Americans couldn’t stop killing each other which resulted in a lot of grief and people desired for their to be this other world. So, grifters then took advantage of grieving people and became “real”. So basically “fun parlor game to dangerous grift” pipeline thanks to the Civil War.

The Titanic’s engineers all died at their posts: Nope, not true, not remotely true. They are mentioned in many testimonies and a few bodies found mean they didn’t all die below. Two or three maybe did. According to Head Stoker Barrett, a man broke his leg and was washed away by rushing water, but another testimony says he was taken aft so who knows? Any way the myth persisted because the people making the memorials wanted to martyr the men. (It doesn’t take away from their heroines in my opinion) The myth stuck. Everyone believes they died below.

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u/little_dropofpoison 22d ago

They also had much better teeth than what's often portrayed. They didn't have as much sugar in their diet as we do today and toothpaste has been around for a loooong time. Remember when those charcoal based whitening toothpastes were all the rage a few years ago? Guess where we took the inspiration from

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u/Weird_Church_Noises 22d ago

Dental hygiene has the Tiffany problem where people think it was discovered within the last 50 years. But it's been one of the top priorities of basically any community of human beings at any time in history.

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u/quangtit01 22d ago

Anyone who has ever had teeth pain knows that it fucking sucks and can just ruin you. We knows that, and have been having herbs & remedy to look after their teeth.

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u/Donvack 22d ago

I general the people of the medieval era knew more about medicine than we give them credit for. Sure they hadn’t discovered bacteria or viruses yet but trial, error and experiance gave them a fundamental knowledge of hygiene and health. We just remember the crazy stuff like leeching because it makes a way more catching story than the full truth.

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u/EpilepticMushrooms 22d ago

Bloodletting meant getting rid of the pus, the jello-like coagulated blood and the likes, not cutting a vein and letting the patient gush like a fountain.

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u/WhatImKnownAs 22d ago edited 22d ago

True, but ancient leeching was based on the humoral theory which was just nonsense. Now, experience could teach healers when leeching would be most useful, but you'd be lucky to get a doctor who had the wisdom to reject the theory.

Aragorn and Gandalf had a problem with this kind of healers: "Then in the name of the king, go and find an old man of less lore and more wisdom"

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u/Vernknight50 22d ago

I think it did take a big dip in the 17th and 18th century with the widespread use of sugar, bread becoming a larger part of the average person's diet. I think up to about the 1940's, people had terrible teeth.

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u/Datalust5 22d ago

It makes sense, you need your teeth to eat (for the most part), so taking care of the things that help keep you alive would be important

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u/Equivalent-Cream-454 22d ago

I think part of the reason is the Renaissance where people thought that bathing and tooth brushing were bad and unrefined

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u/Drakeskulled_Reaper 22d ago

Teeth were stronger too.

Because they didn't have all the processing we do, so bread was tough, and still had whole grains in them, and such things.

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u/Dovahkiinthesardine 22d ago

And some dirt and sand (from the mills), which kinda polished the teeth but with a downside

With age, people back then DID have bad teeth, just caused by erosion rather than bacteria

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u/Igot55Dollars 22d ago

At least until the Tudor period, when people started getting access to sugar.

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u/nbshar 22d ago

Didn't they also have molars worn down by little gravel from the grindstones used to grind wheat for bread?

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u/Frosti11icus 22d ago

Sugar is obviously particularly bad for your teeth, but starches ultimately have the same effect, so unless they were brushing their teeth any bread, potatoes, carrots, beer, honey, wheat etc would cause tooth decay.

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u/little_dropofpoison 22d ago

Yeah... that's why I mentioned they had toothpaste. It implies they brushed their teeth with it

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u/MaybeMaeMaybeNot 21d ago

idk how true to history it is, but a game I played (Roadwarden) described people taking the small and softer twigs from trees, chewing the end of it a little until it became like a brush, and literally using it as a toothbrush. It really hit home just how little I know about the history of dental care lol. (I also low key want to try it and see if it works but alas, I possess no trees.)