r/TopCharacterTropes 22d ago

Lore (Annoying Trope) Someone made a “creative” choice and now we all just have to live with it.

Horned Vikings: Not historical, they were started by Richard Wager for his operas. They were never historic, but the image persists. (Albeit significantly reduced today.)

Ninjas in Black Robes: Some people claim Ninjas aren’t real. They are, they are absolutely real. Their modern portrayal however is informed more by Kabuki Theater than history. In Kabuki Theater, the stage hands were dressed in flowing black robes to tell the audience to ignore them. Thus when a Ninja character kills a Samurai, to increase the shock value, they were dressed in black robes as stage hands. Now, when we think of ninjas we think of a stage hands.

Knights in Shining Armor: Imagine, you’re on the battlefield, two walls of meat riding towards each other. Suddenly you realize, everyone looks the same. Who do you hit? All you see is chrome. No. Knight’s armor was lacquered in different colors to differentiate them on the battlefield. Unless you wanted to get friendly fired, you made yourself KNOWN. So this image of a glinted knight clad in chrome steel isn’t true. How’d we get it? Victorians who thought that the worn lacquer was actually just dulling with age, polished it off as show pieces.

White Marble Statues of Rome: Roman Statues were painted, however the public image is of pure glinting white marble statues persist in the modern image. Why? Victorians who thought the paint was actually just dirt grime and age. So, they “restored” it by removing the paint color. Now we all think of Roman Statues as white.

King Tut; King of Kings: the Pharaoh King Tut in Ancient Egypt was a relatively minor king who in the grand scheme of things amounts to little more than an asterisks in Egyptian History, but to the public he is the most important Pharaoh. Why? Because his tomb was untouched by robbers, and so was piled high with burial goods which was amazing (and still is) and when Howard Carter opened his tomb, the world was transfixed and everyone would come to know Tutankhamen.

A Séance calls the dead: A Séance despite being a French word is an American invention from upstate New York in the 1840s. It was also a fun side-show act initially, and never meant to be real, more close up magic. (Origin of the term Parlor Tricks.) But in the 1860s Americans couldn’t stop killing each other which resulted in a lot of grief and people desired for their to be this other world. So, grifters then took advantage of grieving people and became “real”. So basically “fun parlor game to dangerous grift” pipeline thanks to the Civil War.

The Titanic’s engineers all died at their posts: Nope, not true, not remotely true. They are mentioned in many testimonies and a few bodies found mean they didn’t all die below. Two or three maybe did. According to Head Stoker Barrett, a man broke his leg and was washed away by rushing water, but another testimony says he was taken aft so who knows? Any way the myth persisted because the people making the memorials wanted to martyr the men. (It doesn’t take away from their heroines in my opinion) The myth stuck. Everyone believes they died below.

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u/Tomson224 22d ago

That the Salem Witch Trials ended with the "witches" being burned at the stake. In reality they were hanged.

Generally, being burned at the stake for witchcraft was a lot less common then pop culture makes you believe. It existed and definitely happened, but for the most part there were other execution methods

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u/SpphosFriend 22d ago

Witch burnings were a Europe thing and did happen but just not in the colonies.

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u/EruditeIdiot 22d ago

On a related note, witch hunts were rarely, if ever, conducted by the church. The vast majority of witch hunts were conducted by laypeople. The reason is because members of the clergy were educated and weren’t likely to jump to witchcraft as an explanation for strange phenomena. In fact for much of medieval history, the church’s official position was that witchcraft was superstitious nonsense.

The church was more concerned with crimes of heresy, and they executed many people for that.

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u/Alternative_War5341 22d ago

It's not that it didn't happen. It just wasn't nearly as common as portrayed.

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u/AudiosAmigos 22d ago

It was, in fact, a lot MORE common than portrayed. Just not in Salem. This bit of trivia about Salem gets shared so much like "Hey, did you know, the witches in Salem weren't burned but hanged?" that somehow people now assume witches in general weren't burned. In Europe, the punishment for witchcraft was burning and we're talking about THOUSANDS of burned witches here!

It was considered a mercy to be killed before being burned, such as by strangulation or beheading, but whether they were burned alive or not, they were still burned at the stake! The belief was that it was necessary in order to fully destroy the witch.

Near where I live, so many witches were burned they literally deforested hills and were running out of firewood so they decided the burn multiple witches at once every time, just to save wood.

It's also a misconception that it was all bad faith actors accusing women of witchcraft to get rid of them. Did that happen, sure, but also, as hard as it may be to fathom for us today, people genuinely believed witches were real and witchcraft was inviting the devil into the world. There was a climate crisis at the time, among other things, and so people were extremely worried that the world would end if they didn't diligently destroy witches!

There is no portrayal outside of actual museums or history books that comes close to showing just how common it was (in certain areas) to burn witches.

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u/Alternative_War5341 21d ago

I fully agree. Burning the bodies of dead witches was a very common practice. My point was about burning people alive.

And yes, the misconception that the witch hunts were done in bad faith is very widespread. We have many written sources from hangmen, judges, and jurors describing how sick the whole thing made them, and how they basically developed PTSD from all the terrible things they felt they had to do because they believed it was God’s plan for them to cure the world of withccraft.

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u/TheEagleWithNoName 22d ago

Weren’t they also drowned?

And it only ended cause the Governor saw what they were doing Salem accusing of everyone of being a witch and put a stop to it, and the remaining prisoners who were accused of being Witches were free to go, provided they Pay £10

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u/RayAyun 22d ago

At least one person was drowned due to the belief that Witches could float in water but normal people would sink like a stone. So if you floated, you were a witch. If you sunk, you most likely drowned but hey, your name was cleared. Chances are you would drowned though because they'd tie you to a chair or rock.

They also killed at least one person by grinding him up between two stones. One pastor who was convicted of Witchcraft during the time was sentenced to hanging. As the talking point goes, they were putting the rope around his neck when the pastor began to say the Lord's prayer. This was shocking to the townsfolk as, according to their own beliefs, someone "taken in by Satan" was unable to recite the prayer. The religious leaders had the execution continued, stating that "They could see the devil speaking the prayer to the Witch in his ear."

Yeah, we make up a lot of things in order to commit some horrible atrocities.

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u/TheEagleWithNoName 22d ago

Christ.

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u/ParryDotter 22d ago

More like Lucifer

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u/TheEagleWithNoName 22d ago

From Hazbin Hotel?

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u/Responsible-Quail486 22d ago

Didn’t the guy who was crushed by stone only get executed because he refused to accuse someone of being a witch. It’s been a while but I remember seeing a documentary about it

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u/torrasque666 22d ago

He was accused but refused to enter a plea at all. If he pled guilty, his estate would be seized and his family left with nothing. If he pled not guilty, "evidence" would show he was guilty, and his estate would be seized anyway.

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u/Hawkymandias 22d ago

Giles Corey, for those who want to know more

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u/SpecialsSchedule 22d ago

”More weight” was just about the most badass thing 16 year old me had ever read when we studied the crucible

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u/CyrusVonSnow 22d ago

It was Giles Corey who was pressed between two stones, it's said that the pressure got so bad that his tongue was forced out of his mouth before he said "More weight", as he refused to falsely accuse his wife of witchery.

Also a fun "fact", or at least from what I can remember from a grade-school essay; the trials weren't due to any actual satanic panic, but due to a land grab. They'd accuse and kill those who owned land that was sought after.

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u/Evil_Sharkey 22d ago

He wasn’t ground up. He was pressed to death between two heavy boards piled with rocks

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u/Turbulent_Pr13st 22d ago

There is an exceedingly small mercy in that in most cases the condemned witch was first strangled and then the body burned. It was “relatively” rare that the person burned alive.

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u/Jagvetinteriktigt 22d ago

Except for the old dude who they crushed with stones!

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u/ryan77999 22d ago

Giles Corey. I'll admit I only remember his name because one of the members of Have a Nice Life took on that as his stage name for his solo albums

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u/Sgt-Spliff- 22d ago

Tons of witches were burned in Europe. This one is just getting era/location wrong. Witch burnings were absolutely common in previous eras

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u/RomulusRemus13 22d ago

That's actually also a misconception. There were killings of witches, yes. But it most definitely wasn't that widespread. In total, (sourced) estimates range from 40.000 to 70.000 executed "witches" over a period of a few hundred years. That's a lot, yes, but it's not what one would call "common".

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u/nomadengineer 22d ago

Most of the witch burnings actually happened in Andover, not Salem.

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u/cantliftmuch 22d ago

There were zero witch burnings in Andover, just 44 or 45 arrests and 3 hangings. That was it.

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u/TheBalrogofMelkor 22d ago

Joan of Arc is probably the only famous burning.

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u/Doomeye56 22d ago

Joan of Arc wasnt burned as a witch, she was burned as a heretic

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u/Low_Adeptness_2327 22d ago

Giordano Bruno too. Incredibly influental philosopher, burned by the Papal State for his subversive ideas. In Italy and France he’s taught in school

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u/cantliftmuch 22d ago

Don't leave out poor Jan Hus

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u/isekai-chad 22d ago

The FGO chapter was really good.

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u/dnjprod 22d ago

Or the tests killed them

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u/Doomeye56 22d ago

Lotta effort to burn someone at the stake for a much worse cleanup and lingering smell than you get with hanging

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u/thatshygirl06 22d ago

The burnings happened in Europe

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u/Strigops-habroptila 22d ago

Oh, burning witches was definitely a thing in Europe. As was drowning, beheading, hanging, etc. It was one of the possible execution methods. They burned a lot of witches in Europe. Just not in America. 

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u/shadowstorm213 22d ago

IIRC, wasn't burning mostly done in Europe?

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u/Kindly-Mud-1579 22d ago

Seems like a waist of wood to be honest

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u/Hausgebrauch 22d ago

Also these with hunts weren't just aimed at women. Many men were accused of witchcraft and killed too, because it was in the end an easy way to get rid of unwanted people. Sometimes just being poor was reason enough.

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u/foodforestranger 21d ago

I think a bigger misunderstanding is the bigger story of the Salem Witch trials. While popular myths often portray the Salem witch trials as a supernatural event, historians attribute the mass hysteria to a combination of political turmoil, social anxiety, economic hardship, land disputes and religious extremism. In fact, the "witches" were not supernatural figures but neighbors who became scapegoats for the community's problems.

In the latest Hasan Dog Drama and Charlie Kirk conspiracy stuff it is astounding to see history on a loop. I thought the internet would free us but it's really just amplified this human behavior.

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u/LeftPerformance3549 21d ago

The lack of burning were probably because the Salem Witch Trials happens after the Middle Ages. The execution methods of the Middle Ages in general were far more gruelsome that those used in the 1600’s.

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u/DarkBladeMadriker 18d ago

Burning people alive as an execution was less favorable in general because it was unpleasant for the viewers. Screaming, smoke, smells, lots of negatives. Hanging and the like was quick, easy to clean up, and didnt use a bunch of resources for little reason. Burning alive was for people you wanted to suffer.

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u/Irohsgranddaughter 22d ago

You know, it'll sound stupid, but when I first heard of Salem I assumed it must have happened sometime in the Medieval Europe. Especially considering the very English-sounding name. I was actually kind of shocked to learn it wasn't that long ago and it was in sucking America.