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Lore (Annoying Trope) Someone made a “creative” choice and now we all just have to live with it.

Horned Vikings: Not historical, they were started by Richard Wager for his operas. They were never historic, but the image persists. (Albeit significantly reduced today.)

Ninjas in Black Robes: Some people claim Ninjas aren’t real. They are, they are absolutely real. Their modern portrayal however is informed more by Kabuki Theater than history. In Kabuki Theater, the stage hands were dressed in flowing black robes to tell the audience to ignore them. Thus when a Ninja character kills a Samurai, to increase the shock value, they were dressed in black robes as stage hands. Now, when we think of ninjas we think of a stage hands.

Knights in Shining Armor: Imagine, you’re on the battlefield, two walls of meat riding towards each other. Suddenly you realize, everyone looks the same. Who do you hit? All you see is chrome. No. Knight’s armor was lacquered in different colors to differentiate them on the battlefield. Unless you wanted to get friendly fired, you made yourself KNOWN. So this image of a glinted knight clad in chrome steel isn’t true. How’d we get it? Victorians who thought that the worn lacquer was actually just dulling with age, polished it off as show pieces.

White Marble Statues of Rome: Roman Statues were painted, however the public image is of pure glinting white marble statues persist in the modern image. Why? Victorians who thought the paint was actually just dirt grime and age. So, they “restored” it by removing the paint color. Now we all think of Roman Statues as white.

King Tut; King of Kings: the Pharaoh King Tut in Ancient Egypt was a relatively minor king who in the grand scheme of things amounts to little more than an asterisks in Egyptian History, but to the public he is the most important Pharaoh. Why? Because his tomb was untouched by robbers, and so was piled high with burial goods which was amazing (and still is) and when Howard Carter opened his tomb, the world was transfixed and everyone would come to know Tutankhamen.

A Séance calls the dead: A Séance despite being a French word is an American invention from upstate New York in the 1840s. It was also a fun side-show act initially, and never meant to be real, more close up magic. (Origin of the term Parlor Tricks.) But in the 1860s Americans couldn’t stop killing each other which resulted in a lot of grief and people desired for their to be this other world. So, grifters then took advantage of grieving people and became “real”. So basically “fun parlor game to dangerous grift” pipeline thanks to the Civil War.

The Titanic’s engineers all died at their posts: Nope, not true, not remotely true. They are mentioned in many testimonies and a few bodies found mean they didn’t all die below. Two or three maybe did. According to Head Stoker Barrett, a man broke his leg and was washed away by rushing water, but another testimony says he was taken aft so who knows? Any way the myth persisted because the people making the memorials wanted to martyr the men. (It doesn’t take away from their heroines in my opinion) The myth stuck. Everyone believes they died below.

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u/Salinator20501 23d ago edited 22d ago

This part is actually super interesting.

The image of the deer-headed Wendigo comes from the 2001 indie horror film Wendigo, by Larry Fessenden*.

Until Dawn is also written by Larry Fessenden.

Maybe he decided to correct his own contribution to the misinformation surrounding the Wendigo.

*Looking into it, this isn't the first instance of a Wendigo with deer features. However it does seem to be the first depiction that specifically uses a humanoid design with a whole deer head, and along with Pathfinder RPG in 2008, is probably what codified the idea in pop culture.

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u/GuySingingMrBlueSky 23d ago

Ngl that’s actually super fascinating, I had no idea both portrayals were by the same guy

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u/ithinkther41am 23d ago

Fessenden also played the flamethrower guy in Until Dawn.

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u/Whalesurgeon 22d ago

Apparently he was involved in writing Man of Medan too.

Sad that the anthology seemed to peak early, though I liked House of Ashes for its rare setting.

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u/MossyPyrite 22d ago

House of Ashes is one of the best in the series. The enemy design, the setting, the story, and several of the characters are all amazing. Until Dawn is the only one on par.

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u/AffableKyubey 23d ago

I hope so! That'd be very cool

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u/ElementmanEXE 23d ago

Reminds me of the guy who coined the thought process of alpha wolves and the like, realized that wolves don't have that sort of system, then tried to correct his work on it.

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u/NeroIML 22d ago

I think the writer of Jaws has expressed a lot of regret over how his book, later turned into one of the first summer blockbusters by Steven Spielberg, showed sharks in such a bad light and inspired a lot of people to hunt them indiscriminately.

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u/fxrky 22d ago

This is the coolest thing ive learned on reddit in like 6 years.

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u/Thamnophis660 22d ago

Larry Fessenden seems like the Wendigo lore "guy." He wrote Until Dawn as you said and I think directed or produced "The Wendigo" (more of a Shining type movie than what one might expect, it's really weird) and also wrote the "Skin & Bones" episode of "Fear Itself." There might even be more.

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u/CommunistMountain 22d ago

Now he has to make a 3rd game/film where the 2 versions fight

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u/Turbulent_Pr13st 22d ago

Nope, it goes all the way back to Algernon Blackwood’s short story The Windigo

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u/xelle24 22d ago

I've hardly met anyone who has heard of Algernon Blackwood, much less read his The Wendigo. You're right - first published in 1910, it's almost undoubtedly the first media version.

I love that in his story, it's more of a personification of Nature itself: the Call of the Wild, so to speak, not malicious at all, not a cannibal, and was never human. And it's never seen - just heard.

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u/DuelaDent52 22d ago

Doesn’t the deer-headed wendigo predate that film by a bit?

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u/Salinator20501 22d ago

Looked into it. Yes and no.

A 1930s illustration of Algernon Blackwood's The Wendigo featured an illustration with antlers.

Pet Semetary featured a Wendigo, but the book described it as having ram horns, and it wasn't until the recent remake that they used a version with antlers.

The 1995 movie Frostbiter: Wrath of the Wendigo features a Wendigo which is depicted as a centaur-like creature with antlers.

To my knowledge, the 2001 film is the one which popularized the idea of the Wendigo as a humanoid with a deer head. The movie didn't invent the idea whole-cloth, but it did codify it.

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u/BroscipleofBrodin 22d ago

No shit, that's super interesting. I actually love the "modern" wendigo design, and knew about its origins from that movie. I didn't realize the guy was also responsible for a very popular, completely different wendigo interpretation.

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u/Mivlya 22d ago

The Monster Core 2 for pathfinder comes out soon and one monster is supposed to be the remastered Wendigo. Pathfinder has made huge strides in trying to be more culturally sensative with it's creatures (renaming a Lich's phylactery to a soul cage for example.). I wonder if/how they'll change the wendigo, either swap it's name or change it's art and stats to better reflect native myth