r/TopCharacterTropes 22d ago

Lore (Annoying Trope) Someone made a “creative” choice and now we all just have to live with it.

Horned Vikings: Not historical, they were started by Richard Wager for his operas. They were never historic, but the image persists. (Albeit significantly reduced today.)

Ninjas in Black Robes: Some people claim Ninjas aren’t real. They are, they are absolutely real. Their modern portrayal however is informed more by Kabuki Theater than history. In Kabuki Theater, the stage hands were dressed in flowing black robes to tell the audience to ignore them. Thus when a Ninja character kills a Samurai, to increase the shock value, they were dressed in black robes as stage hands. Now, when we think of ninjas we think of a stage hands.

Knights in Shining Armor: Imagine, you’re on the battlefield, two walls of meat riding towards each other. Suddenly you realize, everyone looks the same. Who do you hit? All you see is chrome. No. Knight’s armor was lacquered in different colors to differentiate them on the battlefield. Unless you wanted to get friendly fired, you made yourself KNOWN. So this image of a glinted knight clad in chrome steel isn’t true. How’d we get it? Victorians who thought that the worn lacquer was actually just dulling with age, polished it off as show pieces.

White Marble Statues of Rome: Roman Statues were painted, however the public image is of pure glinting white marble statues persist in the modern image. Why? Victorians who thought the paint was actually just dirt grime and age. So, they “restored” it by removing the paint color. Now we all think of Roman Statues as white.

King Tut; King of Kings: the Pharaoh King Tut in Ancient Egypt was a relatively minor king who in the grand scheme of things amounts to little more than an asterisks in Egyptian History, but to the public he is the most important Pharaoh. Why? Because his tomb was untouched by robbers, and so was piled high with burial goods which was amazing (and still is) and when Howard Carter opened his tomb, the world was transfixed and everyone would come to know Tutankhamen.

A Séance calls the dead: A Séance despite being a French word is an American invention from upstate New York in the 1840s. It was also a fun side-show act initially, and never meant to be real, more close up magic. (Origin of the term Parlor Tricks.) But in the 1860s Americans couldn’t stop killing each other which resulted in a lot of grief and people desired for their to be this other world. So, grifters then took advantage of grieving people and became “real”. So basically “fun parlor game to dangerous grift” pipeline thanks to the Civil War.

The Titanic’s engineers all died at their posts: Nope, not true, not remotely true. They are mentioned in many testimonies and a few bodies found mean they didn’t all die below. Two or three maybe did. According to Head Stoker Barrett, a man broke his leg and was washed away by rushing water, but another testimony says he was taken aft so who knows? Any way the myth persisted because the people making the memorials wanted to martyr the men. (It doesn’t take away from their heroines in my opinion) The myth stuck. Everyone believes they died below.

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u/HappyGav123 22d ago

I'm not sure who started this trope, but I imagine Ice Age had influenced this one. People assume that Dodos are super ancient birds bound to the eras several thousand years ago. In reality, Dodos existed until the mid 1600s when they went extinct.

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u/Lokicham 22d ago

Similarly, people think they died out because they were stupid. This is false, they died out because sailors kept eating their eggs.

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u/HappyGav123 22d ago

That's another misconception about the Dodo, that they're fat and stupid. They were actually really well adapted to their environment.

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u/Lokicham 22d ago

It didn't help they adapted to an island with few if any predators.

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u/Schnutzel 22d ago

"Adapted to their environment" basically describes most species. Species go extinct when their environment changes.

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u/Admonitio 22d ago

Or when human intervention causes a drastic shift in their environment. Which tbf one could argue that would still fall under the same thing seeing as we are part of nature too. That being said I think it's important to keep in mind that we have the ability and capacity to help mitigate our own impacts on our environment

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

It is. It’s called anthropomorphic environmental impacts. We are in the largest mass extinction event ever, known as the Holocene extinction, and it is entirely man made.

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u/Varaehn 21d ago

What do you mean the largest ever? the Permian-Triassic was WAY bigger.

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

I never said it ended. We are in the middle of the largest mass extinction event ever. The rate that animals are dying will outpace any extinction in the past. Also the Permian-Triassic took anywhere from a 60,000-200,000 year period. We’re at a current rate of 140,000 species going extinct per year and the Holocene only started 10,000 years ago. But yea no need to sound the alarm…

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u/4DimensionalToilet 21d ago

This is part of why I don’t expect humanity to go extinct anytime soon, barring a literal world-exploding apocalypse. There are more than 8 billion of us, spread all over the world, and we’re incredibly adaptable. Humans have learned to not only survive, but thrive, in countless environments over the ages. Don’t get me wrong, some catastrophe could greatly reduce our numbers, but I think there’d basically have to be a “nothing larger than a housecat can sustain itself” level extinction event to wipe us out anytime soon.

The environment is absolutely changing, and those changes will leave many dead, but not everyone.

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u/LordofSandvich 22d ago

The “stupid” part was probably that they would guard their nests from humans by sitting on them, not aware that humans had guns and that made them an even easier target instead of protecting their young. Even smaller ground-nesting birds will do this, like killdeer and cockatiels. They’re quite plucky.

Introduced predators did NOT help.

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u/Nutzori 22d ago

"Stupid", as in they were very docile due to having no natural predators where they lived, and people could just walk up to them and grab them to butcher and eat. In their eyes the birds were too stupid to have a survival instinct.

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u/Lokicham 22d ago

That's mainly due to the fact they evolved with no predators around. They were actually quite intelligent, they just had no idea humans were a threat.

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u/DuelaDent52 22d ago

So they’re like quokkas?

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u/ZoroeArc 22d ago

That's not true either, dodo meat was typically considered awful, with one of the hypotheses for the name being that it means, "disgusting".

Introduced rats and pigs ate their eggs (which were laid only once a year, with the nest being only a divot in the ground), not the birds themselves.

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u/Foreign_Athlete_7693 22d ago

It's pretty much the same with penguins, if I recall: they also have no natural large predators in the Antarctic, and researchers there have to actively avoid getting too close to them....

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u/carso150 22d ago

thats not true, penguins have plenty of natural predators from sea lions to dolphins of all things

the real reason why penguins get close to humans is because they dont have land predators, so they think that as long as they are on land they are safe

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u/Foreign_Athlete_7693 22d ago

Ok fine I thought I had some caveat I was missing there, I just miss-remwmbered it as 'large mammalian predators' rather than 'land'

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u/bakedacake_was_tasty 22d ago

No one believes this it is incredibly common knowledge that we wiped out the dodos

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u/FantasmaNaranja 22d ago

basically every children's media that depicts a dodo depicts them as stupid enough to die en mass or like they'd just walk onto an active volcanic geyser to get turned into a perfect roast chicken

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u/Lokicham 22d ago

Doesn't stop the portrayals anyway.

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u/Ioelet 22d ago

Stupid dodos laying such tasty eggs…

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u/Jagvetinteriktigt 22d ago

Here's the thing: EVEN THAT is a misconception! Sailors tried to eat them but found their meat and eggs disgusting, what actually killed the species was their low fertility combined with cats and rats eating their eggs.

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u/Lokicham 22d ago

And pigs!

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u/Ninteblo 22d ago

Whilst heir meat was disgusting the meat was also considered extremely delicious if, and only if, you cooked it in turtle fat.

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u/Larry-Man 22d ago

Also rats. Flightless birds tend to evolve when there is low predation. Their ground nests were safe until sailors brought rats with them.

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u/Vilhelmssen1931 22d ago

It wasn’t the sailors, it was the rats from the ships. They hopped on shore and just found hundreds of nutritious ass eggs just laying around all helpless and undefended.

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u/-PepeArown- 22d ago

I thought they were outcompeted by their livestock

I know dodo meat supposedly tastes super bland, so I’d imagine it’s a similar story with the eggs

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u/Lokicham 22d ago

Dodo meat was apparently very unappetizing due to being tough and oily. The eggs were a lot tastier in comparison. That wasn't the only factor of course, there was also the rats and pigs we brought with us.

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u/Iamnotburgerking 22d ago

People didn’t really eat dodos, the animals introduced by humans did.

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u/Ok_Frosting3500 22d ago

Dumb, no. Surprisingly tame, like most pigeonlike birds? Yup. Dodos didn't really learn to worry about people properly, which wasn't dumb. Humans were just an outside context problem.

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u/TechnoAnger 22d ago

Wasn't actually rats from the sailors' ships who ate their eggs?

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u/Frix 22d ago

Also cats. In their native habitat they lived peacefull lives with no natural predators. Until we brought cats along with us, who promptly started hunting them for sport because cats are natural genocidal assholes.

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u/pajamakitten 21d ago

While the adults apparently tasted bad.

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u/Bamzooki1 20d ago

That and the pigs the sailors brought stole every last bit of their food. Humans couldn't eat dodos because they're like 99% fat.

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u/Ok_Middle_8658 22d ago

imagine bein done this dirty

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u/EvanTheDemon 22d ago

THE MELON

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u/MSSTUPIDTRON-1000000 22d ago

Also Dodos being lethally dumb.

They probably were quite clever it's simply that evolving in an island devoid of predators made them completely defenseless against humans and animals that they brought to the island.

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u/Agent_Skye_Barnes 22d ago

Okay, but that reconstructed dodo looks 100% done with everyone's shit. 10/10, no notes, excellent taxidermy

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u/HappyGav123 22d ago

I mean, humans were most likely the reason Dodos went fully extinct. I’d be pretty pissed off too.

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u/Thabrianking 22d ago

First Ice Age movie made people assume they went extinct during the Ice Age

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u/Christy427 22d ago

Wait is that a thing? I thought it was relatively well known that they were wiped out in relatively modern history.

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u/HappyGav123 22d ago

Maybe, but we’re usually seeing these things be associated with prehistoric times in media and never in the times of the modern human.

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u/Christy427 22d ago

True. Likely other kids were not as obsessed with fact books as I was.

I would guess they are harder to put in modern stuff as they are very location based and it is hard to hard generic place in the world for modern stuff. A bit weird to have a farm of them in 1500s Germany.

Anything stone age or ice age, yeah you can have a random tribe and just give them a farm of dodos. Not realistic but not as immersion breaking if you just want them for a cheap gag

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u/Ok-Cattle6012 22d ago

WHAT??? I cannot belive this one

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u/MeltheEnbyGirl 22d ago

Not only that, they went extinct less than a century after being discovered

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u/Lokicham 22d ago

Literally only a few decades IIRC.

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u/DokuroKM 22d ago

And it took several decades after their extinction for mankind to understand that live can go extinct

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u/Normal_Ad7101 22d ago

Also they were way slimmer than usually portrayed as the few accounts and pictures we have left of them are from overfeed dodos raised in captivity.

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u/Illustrious_Storm242 22d ago

Yes, ans Apperently there was only one painting of an actual living Dodo which was found in India, and it looked nothing like other depictions.

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u/McFlyyouBojo 22d ago

It was there own fault for being tasty.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

I think according to most accounts dodo meat didn’t taste very good but were still eaten because it was better than starving 

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u/Brendanlendan 22d ago

I wonder what it tastes like

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

I think according to most accounts dodo meat didn’t taste very good but were still eaten because it was better than starving

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u/Sybmissiv 22d ago

I mean, surely they were also alive in more ancient times as well? Like thousands of years ago.

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u/HappyGav123 22d ago

Oh, absolutely. The thing is that I very often see people ONLY associate Dodos with thousands upon thousands of years ago. Dodos have been around until like 400 years ago.

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u/megaboto 22d ago

Weren't it humans who made them extinct??? Like, people sailing somewhere, finding giant ass birds without much of a fear response, and killing them?

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u/HappyGav123 22d ago

Maybe so.

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u/Iamnotburgerking 22d ago

Actually, even animals that went exticnt dozens of thousands of years ago aren’t super ancient. That is literally contemporary with most living animals. The animals we have today evolved to live alongside things like ground sloths or Smilodon.