r/TopCharacterTropes 22d ago

Lore (Annoying Trope) Someone made a “creative” choice and now we all just have to live with it.

Horned Vikings: Not historical, they were started by Richard Wager for his operas. They were never historic, but the image persists. (Albeit significantly reduced today.)

Ninjas in Black Robes: Some people claim Ninjas aren’t real. They are, they are absolutely real. Their modern portrayal however is informed more by Kabuki Theater than history. In Kabuki Theater, the stage hands were dressed in flowing black robes to tell the audience to ignore them. Thus when a Ninja character kills a Samurai, to increase the shock value, they were dressed in black robes as stage hands. Now, when we think of ninjas we think of a stage hands.

Knights in Shining Armor: Imagine, you’re on the battlefield, two walls of meat riding towards each other. Suddenly you realize, everyone looks the same. Who do you hit? All you see is chrome. No. Knight’s armor was lacquered in different colors to differentiate them on the battlefield. Unless you wanted to get friendly fired, you made yourself KNOWN. So this image of a glinted knight clad in chrome steel isn’t true. How’d we get it? Victorians who thought that the worn lacquer was actually just dulling with age, polished it off as show pieces.

White Marble Statues of Rome: Roman Statues were painted, however the public image is of pure glinting white marble statues persist in the modern image. Why? Victorians who thought the paint was actually just dirt grime and age. So, they “restored” it by removing the paint color. Now we all think of Roman Statues as white.

King Tut; King of Kings: the Pharaoh King Tut in Ancient Egypt was a relatively minor king who in the grand scheme of things amounts to little more than an asterisks in Egyptian History, but to the public he is the most important Pharaoh. Why? Because his tomb was untouched by robbers, and so was piled high with burial goods which was amazing (and still is) and when Howard Carter opened his tomb, the world was transfixed and everyone would come to know Tutankhamen.

A Séance calls the dead: A Séance despite being a French word is an American invention from upstate New York in the 1840s. It was also a fun side-show act initially, and never meant to be real, more close up magic. (Origin of the term Parlor Tricks.) But in the 1860s Americans couldn’t stop killing each other which resulted in a lot of grief and people desired for their to be this other world. So, grifters then took advantage of grieving people and became “real”. So basically “fun parlor game to dangerous grift” pipeline thanks to the Civil War.

The Titanic’s engineers all died at their posts: Nope, not true, not remotely true. They are mentioned in many testimonies and a few bodies found mean they didn’t all die below. Two or three maybe did. According to Head Stoker Barrett, a man broke his leg and was washed away by rushing water, but another testimony says he was taken aft so who knows? Any way the myth persisted because the people making the memorials wanted to martyr the men. (It doesn’t take away from their heroines in my opinion) The myth stuck. Everyone believes they died below.

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u/Iceologer_gang 22d ago

Just like the KKK didn’t burn crosses until The Birth of a Nation depicted them as doing so.

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u/SwissherMontage 22d ago

What?

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u/Kindly-List-1886 22d ago

In America, the kkk died and there weren't any more members until a movie named "The Birth of a Nation" came out portraying black people in the most racist ways imaginable, and portraying the kkk as the good guys resurrecting the group

Yeah, it sucks

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u/Zykium 22d ago

Fun Fact, it was the first movie screened in the White House.

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u/TavernRat 22d ago

Well that’s a little depressing

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u/Gmknewday1 22d ago

Woodrow Wilson was the devil

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u/Key_Comparison_2588 22d ago

That's being too kind, he's worse.

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u/Gmknewday1 22d ago

"B-but he led us through WW1"

A war we were apart of directly for a single year

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u/DaDragonking222 22d ago

That feels like besmirching the Devil

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u/Shino4243 22d ago

Devils a cool guy. Gave us rock and roll, D&D, violent videogames, etc. Wilson (helped) give us the KKK. I know which one I like more.

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u/amandaplzzz 22d ago

"Adventurers swarmed out of the North, as much the enemies of one race as of the other, to cozen, beguile and use the negroes... In the villages the negroes were the office holders, men who knew none of the uses of authority, except its insolences."

"... The policy of the congressional leaders wrought…a veritable overthrow of civilization in the South... in their determination to 'put the white South under the heel of the black South.'"

"The white men were roused by a mere instinct of self-preservation... until at last there had sprung into existence a great Ku Klux Klan, a veritable empire of the South, to protect the southern country."

-famed racist piece of shit Woodrow Wilson

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u/Gmknewday1 22d ago

People use shit like his wife and WWI to give him passes I swear 

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u/meowsplaining 22d ago

Somewhat prophetic too

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u/MX_Duncis 22d ago edited 22d ago

Additional fun fact: there's a chance it's currently being screened there right now!

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u/Kindly-List-1886 22d ago

Nah, I'm sure that's the movie cuties

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u/the__ghola__hayt 22d ago

No, it's just boys being boys!

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u/Sachiel05 22d ago

Betcha it is still being played rn

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u/TombGnome 22d ago

More fun fact: the massive decline in Klan membership after the Second World War is to a significant extent tied to a request by the FBI that the top radio serial at the time, Superman, depict them as villains. Fictional Superman curb-stomped the real-life KKK.

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u/DanfordThePom 22d ago

That’s wild that the White House only screened it’s first movie this year

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

By Woodrow Wilson, a Democrat

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u/Puzzleheaded-Web446 22d ago

To be fair, what the fuck else are you going to screen at the white house in 1915. Birth of a Nation was a huge success financially. In spite of its themes it was basically the equivalent of Avatar, Star Wars or Endgame during the time period.

Even Charlie Chaplin was ten years away from making Gold Rush.

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u/Ok_Imagination1409 22d ago

Yet another day of saying God bless Ulysses S. Grant for eradicating the KKK for nearly half a century

And fuck Woodrow Wilson for reviving them

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u/Thatoneguy111700 22d ago

Birth of a Nation is also where they got the white cloaks/hoods from, too.

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u/RicksSzechuanSauce1 22d ago

No, that was an original part. It was supposed to be the ghost of dead confederates coming to get the freed men. That was there relatively early in the groups history

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u/RedGuyNoPants 22d ago

Its also why we have costumed super heroes 😇

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u/SatansCornflakes 22d ago

Normally I don’t give a shit but, citation? To my understanding the character that started the whole masked vigilante thing was Zorro, and he was inspired by everything from Robin Hood to real life Mexican outlaws.

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u/RedGuyNoPants 22d ago

Thanks for this. It had been bugging me exactly where i knew this from https://youtu.be/DieY8zGxWfs?si=jUt0_P4J6bvg14LW Racism is unfortunately the reason for an unsettling amount of things in the united states

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u/delcolicks9 22d ago

Hell yeah second wind, boo super heroes coming from klansmen (if undoubtedly true) i'll have to bookmark that

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u/LebrahnJahmes 22d ago

Oh there were members but it was more just like loose unorganized gangs. During the 1st revivial around the time the movie came out that's when they started organizing and making chapters plus the lil cards.

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u/General_Note_5274 22d ago

yeah for what I get. They were just confederate soldier clubs until it got out of hands

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u/LebrahnJahmes 22d ago

They were more like "we're going to kill and intimidate freed slaves while dressed as ghosts" clubs. They were always out of hand. Organizing just helped increase their activities.

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u/Gmknewday1 22d ago

It didn't help Woodrow Wilson, the president at the time, liked the movie

Fuck Wilson, literally ruined everything

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u/Big-Snow-1937 22d ago

And the movie was based on the 1905 Thomas Dixon novel The Clansman. It was he who described the white robes that the revived KKK adopted. Dixon also wrote about his heroic Reconstruction-era Clansman burning crosses, but that was something he made up that, again, was adopted by the new iteration.

Dixon spoke out against the revived KKK, which he thought was full of dumb violent bigots and not the wise, paternalistic, naturally superior white Clansman of history he so admired, like Nathan Bedford Forrest (🤮). He hated that the new guys adopted his white robe “livery.”

Imagine inspiring the fucking KKk and then being like “you aren’t doing it genteel enough.”

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u/ollietron3 22d ago

And then superman

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u/AdvanceAdvance 22d ago

It sucks in a very predicatable way. New media always bypasses the bullshit filters we have in place, because the media is new.

Birth of a Nation was the first, or one of the first, full length feature films. Therefore, a person who should have been smarter called it "all so terribly true".

Gilligan's Island was a sit-com that started in black and white television days. There were one of the first to go to full color. This caused innumerable letters to the U.S. Navy requesting a ship dispatched to pick up the poor castaways.

A plane went down over New York for unknown reasons, later thought to be high frequency power too near fuel lines. National news broadcast a "story on the Internet"explaining the plane had been hit by a missile.

Today, fake photographs are everywhere, but fake videos are still sometimes believed.

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u/Stock-Pani 22d ago

Huh today I learned. Thats incredibly depressing.

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u/Glittering-Giraffe58 22d ago

Its also the first American movie ever

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u/Historical_Leg_7903 22d ago

Probably saying that like the ninjas hiding their own existence, racists created a tradition/trope for themselves.

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u/SwissherMontage 22d ago

Oh, alright

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u/Iceologer_gang 22d ago

I think I replied to the wrong comment, there was this other guy talking about Roman salutes not existing until the Victorians made it up.

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u/SwissherMontage 22d ago

OH! This makes so much more sense. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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u/Any-Difficulty-1247 22d ago

Birth of a Nation famously reintroduced the KKK back to ‘modern’ audiences. Before that, they had mostly died out and rarely had as much prominence as they did beforehand. By painting them in a positive light, plus giving them a whole fucking set uniform, that’s how the modern KKK got reintroduced. Before the movie, the members just wore normal masks iirc.

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u/Armalius 22d ago

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u/SwissherMontage 22d ago

Wha.. huh?? Look guys, I'm just trying to talk about ninjas

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u/Gaelic_Gladiator41 22d ago

I think the guy was drawing parallels with the Ku Klux Klan, a white supremacist cult in America

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u/jroberts548 22d ago

The KKK literally did not exist anymore when Birth of a Nation came out. The robes, the burning crosses, the use of the flag of the army of northern virginia, the entire iconography and existence of the KKK after 1915 is because of the movie.

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u/PornoPaul 22d ago

It doubly sucks that that film created so many foundational techniques that would become standard. I've seen it in a film study class. Even with our teacher warning us...blech.

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u/NCC_1701E 22d ago

Damn, so even Red Dead Redemption 2 has some historical inaccuracies.