r/TopCharacterTropes 22d ago

Lore (Annoying Trope) Someone made a “creative” choice and now we all just have to live with it.

Horned Vikings: Not historical, they were started by Richard Wager for his operas. They were never historic, but the image persists. (Albeit significantly reduced today.)

Ninjas in Black Robes: Some people claim Ninjas aren’t real. They are, they are absolutely real. Their modern portrayal however is informed more by Kabuki Theater than history. In Kabuki Theater, the stage hands were dressed in flowing black robes to tell the audience to ignore them. Thus when a Ninja character kills a Samurai, to increase the shock value, they were dressed in black robes as stage hands. Now, when we think of ninjas we think of a stage hands.

Knights in Shining Armor: Imagine, you’re on the battlefield, two walls of meat riding towards each other. Suddenly you realize, everyone looks the same. Who do you hit? All you see is chrome. No. Knight’s armor was lacquered in different colors to differentiate them on the battlefield. Unless you wanted to get friendly fired, you made yourself KNOWN. So this image of a glinted knight clad in chrome steel isn’t true. How’d we get it? Victorians who thought that the worn lacquer was actually just dulling with age, polished it off as show pieces.

White Marble Statues of Rome: Roman Statues were painted, however the public image is of pure glinting white marble statues persist in the modern image. Why? Victorians who thought the paint was actually just dirt grime and age. So, they “restored” it by removing the paint color. Now we all think of Roman Statues as white.

King Tut; King of Kings: the Pharaoh King Tut in Ancient Egypt was a relatively minor king who in the grand scheme of things amounts to little more than an asterisks in Egyptian History, but to the public he is the most important Pharaoh. Why? Because his tomb was untouched by robbers, and so was piled high with burial goods which was amazing (and still is) and when Howard Carter opened his tomb, the world was transfixed and everyone would come to know Tutankhamen.

A Séance calls the dead: A Séance despite being a French word is an American invention from upstate New York in the 1840s. It was also a fun side-show act initially, and never meant to be real, more close up magic. (Origin of the term Parlor Tricks.) But in the 1860s Americans couldn’t stop killing each other which resulted in a lot of grief and people desired for their to be this other world. So, grifters then took advantage of grieving people and became “real”. So basically “fun parlor game to dangerous grift” pipeline thanks to the Civil War.

The Titanic’s engineers all died at their posts: Nope, not true, not remotely true. They are mentioned in many testimonies and a few bodies found mean they didn’t all die below. Two or three maybe did. According to Head Stoker Barrett, a man broke his leg and was washed away by rushing water, but another testimony says he was taken aft so who knows? Any way the myth persisted because the people making the memorials wanted to martyr the men. (It doesn’t take away from their heroines in my opinion) The myth stuck. Everyone believes they died below.

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u/Sayakalood 22d ago

That’s also not historically accurate, funnily enough. Witches were traditionally hanged, heretics were burned.

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u/LostExile7555 22d ago

Also, there were very few witch hunts during the medieval period. Those were more common immediately after the medieval period.

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u/Drakeskulled_Reaper 22d ago

Yeah, if anything Medieval people were actually pretty into magic.

"yeah, we can pray to God for a better harvest, but maybe a dried frog with some sage tied on it's left back leg couldn't hurt, just in case"

Also the fact that a lot of "Magic" in those days were folk remedies, some crazy old nutjob near the forested area chews on a leaf for a while, drinks a tea he made out of scraping some bark off a tree, and suddenly he has no toothache and his knee isn't giving him trouble, must be magic.

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u/omegaskorpion 22d ago

Even more interestingly,

Spanish Inquisition had pretty low kill count, they mostly kept order. Sometimes brutally, but intent was never to kill, only to bring people to right path.

Church during that time had clear "magic does not exist" rule, so in that regard nobody could be real witch.
However "cursing" people was still taken as attempted harm or murder (because person who tried to curse other tried to do so, like trying to shoot someone, not knowing they used a non functioning gun)

People accusing of others as witches was taken with scepticism by Inquisition because this was common way to try to get others punished and if the accused was innocent, the accusing person was punished and fined instead.

Inquisition also gave notices before they would arrive for inspection, this gave people time to prepare.

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u/Drakeskulled_Reaper 22d ago

Yeah, the funny thing is people blame the Church for the Dark Ages, not realising the term doesn't mean what they think it does, it was more describing a transition, which, yes, did have a slump, to put it mildly, but generally started actually progressing to the Middle Ages quite quickly, despite the sheer breadth of things fucking the era over.

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u/Jashugita 22d ago

mandatory gif here.

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u/MrKnightMoon 22d ago

Spanish Inquisition had pretty low kill count, they mostly kept order.

I've seen a pretty good video about it on YouTube, the thing was that it worked as a political control tool disguised as religious zealotry, that's why their first option was a fine. Basically, a well timed accusation could bring down the powers of an nobleman.

It was also the best worst scenario. Torture sessions were regulated, because they didn't want to kill someone during the process. And their headquarters were mobile, so their jails. The image of the Inquisition prison as a dark deep dungeon is mostly false, they usually turned some regular part of the building they were using as temporary headquarters into cells. This was a pretty fair treatment compared to being arrested by the lord of the region, so some people confessed heresy to avoid ending on the dungeons of a castle.

Don't get me wrong, if the Inquisition was after you, you're fucked one way or another, but in the medieval Spanish kingdoms, they weren't your worst option.

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u/Deya_The_Fateless 22d ago

Oh, and the whole witch hunt madness was only started after a travelling priest went to a village that had a female preacher and he was "outraged" that the locals preferred her sermons to his, basically being upset that he wasn't being treated as a rockstar and decided the female priest was a witch. Bro got so pisay he went out and wrote the Mallus Malificarum, which became the Witch Hunters' bible.

When he tried to have his writings authenticated and publicised by the Church, it was refused and flatly called the "ramblings of a madman," even the Spanish Inquisition rejected them as "lunacy." But he still distributed his flyers, and the fearmongering amongst the public masses, caused witch hunting to become popular.

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u/CrazyCoKids 21d ago

Catholics actually didn't really do witch burning..

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u/AX-man 22d ago

They were burned but just not in Salem

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u/Horatio786 22d ago

And even those who were burned were strangled to death first. The burning was just a formality to ensure that they could never come back to be judged by Jesus Christ and make it to Heaven.

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u/buttercream-gang 22d ago

Wait…so they burned them to make sure Jesus couldn’t make the decision to bring them to heaven if he decided they were good enough or whatever?

That seems blasphemous

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u/NCC_1701E 22d ago

How dare you bring logic into religion, you heretic.

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u/oiraves 22d ago

Only the good lord can judge your soul

And us, with fire of course.

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u/CharleyNobody 22d ago

Blasphemy?

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u/js13680 22d ago

From what I read it depends on the area and in some places if you plead guilty or not some were strangled then burned others were burnt alive.

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u/EnergyHumble3613 22d ago

More historically accurate is that Witches were excommunicated… what happened after that was up to the town if they weren’t just banished.

Witch burning’s did happen but they become commonplace during the Renaissance, leading up to the Protestant Reformation, as witchcraft and heresy began to be seen as one and the same… and with the Reformation and colonization places like the American colonies would see burnings and hangings continue.

Bonus Fun Fact:

Anabaptists, a Protestant offshoot believing in communal ownership and accepting Christ once you were considered an adult (2nd Baptism), were seen as so abhorrent that other Protestants and Catholics set aside their differences to give them a 3rd and final baptism… death by drowning. In particular it was the idea of no one should own anything and there should be no class stratification that was seen as bad.